Outgunned in a 2,000-Round Gun Battle

 

The North Hollywood Shootout was a 2,000-round gun battle between two bank robbers and the LAPD on February 28, 1997. A gun battle when shotguns and pistols were not enough when engaging two heavily armed and armored suspects.

Police departments started to add long guns like AR-15’s to their patrol vehicles after the North Hollywood shootout. There has been criticism of the militarization of the police. If the expectation is that police officers should risk their lives to engage active shooters, then, as the tip of the spear, at the very least they should be given the proper tools to get the job done.

The Buffalo, NY, shooter was wearing body armor. Biden has signed an Executive to stop providing military-grade equipment to police departments. Military-grade body armor with ceramic plates would be extra protection for officers hunting a shooter. It could be kept in the trunk until needed. Armored vehicles can be used to evacuate both citizens and officers, as well moving officers closer to a shooter. An armored vehicle can be used to knock down an exterior wall.

Unlike the barking media, I only have two questions that I would like answered. Dispatchers received cell phone calls from the children trapped in a Texas classroom. Did dispatchers inform officers inside the school of the cell calls from students? The second question: were dispatchers asking a student(s) where the shooter was in the classroom? A simple question such as: is the bad guy at the front of the classroom? The second question could have helped with the decision of how and when to breach the door.

.

Published in Policing
This post was promoted to the Main Feed by a Ricochet Editor at the recommendation of Ricochet members. Like this post? Want to comment? Join Ricochet’s community of conservatives and be part of the conversation. Join Ricochet for Free.

There are 66 comments.

Become a member to join the conversation. Or sign in if you're already a member.
  1. BDB Inactive
    BDB
    @BDB

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    Bob W (View Comment):

    H snipped for space

    The question I have is were the the outside gunshots heard, if so why didn’t the classroom doors get locked. It is reported that he was outside firing about 12 min. If the police could not get into the classroom then the shooter shouldn’t have.

    There are many unanswered questions. The rush to answer questions doesn’t help. The Texas Rangers are now in charge of the investigation. My advice would be to wait until the Texas Rangers provide a pdf of their findings. The full report should be made public. It will be hundreds of pages of long. I believe that transparency is essential no matter how painful that may be. An investigation should not only be used to assign blame. It should be used to evaluate training and making appropriate changes to improve responses in law enforcement agencies across the US.

    I’ve seen a lot of people on Ricochet become instant experts on how to deal with an active spree killer in an elementary school at a place they’ve never seen nor heard of before, relying on sketchy reports from a media who didn’t know much of what happened either, and who usually get the facts wrong at first in these crisis situations. There is a natural desire for people to get quick answers. I think it is best to wait for the investigation to reveal the accurate facts before making any solid judgements.

    I don’t care about the particular details. I already know what I think about this long-term, deep-rooted problem, and one case varies from another in insignificant ways. Weakness is a provocation — society is collapsing — the usual suspects are doing it on purpose.

    This is just one more event in a long line of the same old crap, and the short-attention-span-theater is going mad over details.

    I don’t care.

    It is not a good thing if you don’t care for truth or accuracy. Or details.

    Not at all what I said.  If you want to focus on the details of this case, go right ahead, but this is a trend.  Stop following the bouncing ball and look at who pays for the ads (so to speak).

    Should those who know something suddenly decide to know nothing each morning?  Perhaps read what I wrote again.  I’ll assume that you mistook my meaning.

    If what we are doing is justice, then yes, the facts of this case are paramount.  But this is not a court, and we are not a jury.  This is our society, and we are absolutely empowered to step back and look at the big picture.

    It is good to “spot check” the details of matters from time to time, but if you “spot check” everything, then you are doing your subordinates’ jobs for them.  Imperfect analogy.

    • #31
  2. BDB Inactive
    BDB
    @BDB

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):

    The “investigation” is almost always some form of cover-up, especially when police and law enforcement, politics are involved.

    No it’s not. Demonstrate that investigations of crimes scenes are almost always some form of cover-up. And since when did politics become involved here?

    Welcome to America post-Obama.  When is politics ever not involved?

    It was the Clintons who ushered in the “permanent campaign” and Obama who brought us Presidential exhortations to get in peoples’ faces even at Thanksgiving.

    That’s all in the past whether we like it or not, which means that *it happened*.  And it’s still here.  Perhaps you choose to begin each day in 1955, but I do not.  Things have changed.  Everything is political now, and whether we like it or not, that is the world we live in.

    And yes, investigations are increasingly coverups.  It’s not new, but it’s more so than it had been.

    • #32
  3. Cassandro Coolidge
    Cassandro
    @Flicker

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):

    The “investigation” is almost always some form of cover-up, especially when police and law enforcement, politics are involved.

    No it’s not. Demonstrate that investigations of crimes scenes are almost always some form of cover-up. And since when did politics become involved here?

    Dang.  Remember Miriam Carey.

    And who shot Ashli Babbitt?

    • #33
  4. Cassandro Coolidge
    Cassandro
    @Flicker

    BDB (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    I’ve seen a lot of people on Ricochet become instant experts on how to deal with an active spree killer in an elementary school at a place they’ve never seen nor heard of before, relying on sketchy reports from a media who didn’t know much of what happened either, and who usually get the facts wrong at first in these crisis situations. There is a natural desire for people to get quick answers. I think it is best to wait for the investigation to reveal the accurate facts before making any solid judgements.

    I don’t care about the particular details. I already know what I think about this long-term, deep-rooted problem, and one case varies from another in insignificant ways. Weakness is a provocation — society is collapsing — the usual suspects are doing it on purpose.

    This is just one more event in a long line of the same old crap, and the short-attention-span-theater is going mad over details.

    I don’t care.

    It is not a good thing if you don’t care for truth or accuracy. Or details.

    Not at all what I said. If you want to focus on the details of this case, go right ahead, but this is a trend. Stop following the bouncing ball and look at who pays for the ads (so to speak).

    Should those who know something suddenly decide to know nothing each morning? Perhaps read what I wrote again. I’ll assume that you mistook my meaning.

    If what we are doing is justice, then yes, the facts of this case are paramount. But this is not a court, and we are not a jury. This is our society, and we are absolutely empowered to step back and look at the big picture.

    It is good to “spot check” the details of matters from time to time, but if you “spot check” everything, then you are doing your subordinates’ jobs for them. Imperfect analogy.

    Yes, but the Horowitz investigation was on the up and up.

    And Durham is running at the speed of light.  Hillary is nearly in jail as we speak.

    Added:  And Durham has convicted, how many?, one minor player who committed an egregious law enforcement crime (falsifying evidence for the FISA court) and he got his wrist slapped.

    And every new “revelation” of the Sussman trial is stuff we’ve known for years.  It’s just they’re now confessing it under oath — and very little of it at that.

    • #34
  5. Percival Thatcher
    Percival
    @Percival

    Cassandro (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):

    The “investigation” is almost always some form of cover-up, especially when police and law enforcement, politics are involved.

    No it’s not. Demonstrate that investigations of crimes scenes are almost always some form of cover-up. And since when did politics become involved here?

    Dang. Remember Miriam Carey.

    And who shot Ashli Babbitt?

    Hero cop Michael Byrd, who was in fear of his life because an unarmed woman was attempting to crawl through a broken window thirty feet away.

    • #35
  6. Cassandro Coolidge
    Cassandro
    @Flicker

    Percival (View Comment):

    Cassandro (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):

    The “investigation” is almost always some form of cover-up, especially when police and law enforcement, politics are involved.

    No it’s not. Demonstrate that investigations of crimes scenes are almost always some form of cover-up. And since when did politics become involved here?

    Dang. Remember Miriam Carey.

    And who shot Ashli Babbitt?

    Hero cop Michael Byrd, who was in fear of his life because an unarmed woman was attempting to crawl through a broken window thirty feet away.

    Yes, I was just raising the incident.  I’m sure he’s been duly reprimanded.

    • #36
  7. Steven Seward Member
    Steven Seward
    @StevenSeward

    BDB (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    I don’t care about the particular details. I already know what I think about this long-term, deep-rooted problem, and one case varies from another in insignificant ways. Weakness is a provocation — society is collapsing — the usual suspects are doing it on purpose.

    This is just one more event in a long line of the same old crap, and the short-attention-span-theater is going mad over details.

    I don’t care.

    It is not a good thing if you don’t care for truth or accuracy. Or details.

    Not at all what I said. If you want to focus on the details of this case, go right ahead, but this is a trend. Stop following the bouncing ball and look at who pays for the ads (so to speak).

    Should those who know something suddenly decide to know nothing each morning? Perhaps read what I wrote again. I’ll assume that you mistook my meaning.

    If what we are doing is justice, then yes, the facts of this case are paramount. But this is not a court, and we are not a jury. This is our society, and we are absolutely empowered to step back and look at the big picture.

    It is good to “spot check” the details of matters from time to time, but if you “spot check” everything, then you are doing your subordinates’ jobs for them. Imperfect analogy.

    Perhaps I misunderstood what you were saying.  However, what you said there did not clear anything up for me.  What is your greater point?

    • #37
  8. BDB Inactive
    BDB
    @BDB

    Percival (View Comment):

    Cassandro (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):

    The “investigation” is almost always some form of cover-up, especially when police and law enforcement, politics are involved.

    No it’s not. Demonstrate that investigations of crimes scenes are almost always some form of cover-up. And since when did politics become involved here?

    Dang. Remember Miriam Carey.

    And who shot Ashli Babbitt?

    Hero cop Michael Byrd, who was in fear of his life because an unarmed woman was attempting to crawl through a broken window thirty feet away.

    Shame on you all for not checking your knowledge at the door and simply waiting to be spoon-fed by our beloved media.

    • #38
  9. Steven Seward Member
    Steven Seward
    @StevenSeward

    BDB (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):

    The “investigation” is almost always some form of cover-up, especially when police and law enforcement, politics are involved.

    No it’s not. Demonstrate that investigations of crimes scenes are almost always some form of cover-up. And since when did politics become involved here?

    Welcome to America post-Obama. When is politics ever not involved?

    It was the Clintons who ushered in the “permanent campaign” and Obama who brought us Presidential exhortations to get in peoples’ faces even at Thanksgiving.

    That’s all in the past whether we like it or not, which means that *it happened*. And it’s still here. Perhaps you choose to begin each day in 1955, but I do not. Things have changed. Everything is political now, and whether we like it or not, that is the world we live in.

    And yes, investigations are increasingly coverups. It’s not new, but it’s more so than it had been.

    Maybe it has political implications for you and the other readers on this site, but you cannot automatically project that onto the investigators of the Uvalde police department.  For all we know they could be decent people who do their job faithfully.  Just because many people discusses an event in terms of politics, that does mean that everybody else sees it that way too.

    • #39
  10. Steven Seward Member
    Steven Seward
    @StevenSeward

    BDB (View Comment):

    And yes, investigations are increasingly coverups. It’s not new, but it’s more so than it had been

    Can you point to some recent police investigations that were cover-ups?  I’m not being challenging, I just don’t recall any recently.

    • #40
  11. BDB Inactive
    BDB
    @BDB

    Steven Seward (View Comment):
    Perhaps I misunderstood what you were saying.  However, what you said there did not clear anything up for me.  What is your greater point?

    That this trend of increasing school shootings is the result of the breakdown of society (particularly the “medication” of children and devaluing of men, especially white men), and while the particular details of this case matter in whatever court cases may come, this is hardly an isolated case.  The individual details must be viewed in the context of the trend.

    Stand by to be propagandized about guns and evil whiteness.  Yet whitey and guns been around for a long time.  What has changed?

    • #41
  12. BDB Inactive
    BDB
    @BDB

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    And yes, investigations are increasingly coverups. It’s not new, but it’s more so than it had been

    Can you point to some recent police investigations that were cover-ups? I’m not being challenging, I just don’t recall any recently.

    Ferguson.  George Floyd.

    • #42
  13. Steven Seward Member
    Steven Seward
    @StevenSeward

    Cassandro (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):

    The “investigation” is almost always some form of cover-up, especially when police and law enforcement, politics are involved.

    No it’s not. Demonstrate that investigations of crimes scenes are almost always some form of cover-up. And since when did politics become involved here?

    Dang. Remember Miriam Carey.

    And who shot Ashli Babbitt?

    I’m not familiar with the name Miriam Carey. 

    There was no cover-up in the Ashli Babbit case, although there was definitely no transparency.   There was just an unwillingness to prosecute and enforce our laws.  And that wasn’t due to a police investigation, it  was due to the democrats who control Congress who were in charge.

    • #43
  14. Percival Thatcher
    Percival
    @Percival

    Cassandro (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Cassandro (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):

    The “investigation” is almost always some form of cover-up, especially when police and law enforcement, politics are involved.

    No it’s not. Demonstrate that investigations of crimes scenes are almost always some form of cover-up. And since when did politics become involved here?

    Dang. Remember Miriam Carey.

    And who shot Ashli Babbitt?

    Hero cop Michael Byrd, who was in fear of his life because an unarmed woman was attempting to crawl through a broken window thirty feet away.

    Yes, I was just raising the incident. I’m sure he’s been duly reprimanded.

    It came out weeks later when the media pinned a medal on him.

    • #44
  15. Steven Seward Member
    Steven Seward
    @StevenSeward

    BDB (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):
    Perhaps I misunderstood what you were saying. However, what you said there did not clear anything up for me. What is your greater point?

    That this trend of increasing school shootings is the result of the breakdown of society (particularly the “medication” of children and devaluing of men, especially white men), and while the particular details of this case matter in whatever court cases may come, this is hardly an isolated case. The individual details must be viewed in the context of the trend.

    Stand by to be propagandized about guns and evil whiteness. Yet whitey and guns been around for a long time. What has changed?

    In that case I agree 100%.  I don’t much mind the propagandizing about guns and the evils of Whiteness.  They can do that all they want on our way to the polls in November.

    • #45
  16. Cassandro Coolidge
    Cassandro
    @Flicker

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Cassandro (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):

    The “investigation” is almost always some form of cover-up, especially when police and law enforcement, politics are involved.

    No it’s not. Demonstrate that investigations of crimes scenes are almost always some form of cover-up. And since when did politics become involved here?

    Dang. Remember Miriam Carey.

    And who shot Ashli Babbitt?

    I’m not familiar with the name Miriam Carey.

    There was no cover-up in the Ashli Babbit case, although there was definitely no transparency. There was just an unwillingness to prosecute and enforce our laws. And that wasn’t due to a police investigation, it was due to the democrats who control Congress who were in charge.

    She’s the woman who drove to DC from the NE US and collided with a barrier outside the White House.  She had a 2-year-old? in a car seat.  SS fired on her and her car as she tried to drive away (and I believe DC police did as well).  And they finally shot her in the back of the head.  Exactly what happened was filmed on dozens if not hundreds of CC cameras.  DC police said that there was an investigation to be done, but there was never an investigation report released.  It was just stated that all the police were doing there duty.

    I believe the family did sue, or is suing.  In the mean time it’s been memory holed.

    • #46
  17. Cassandro Coolidge
    Cassandro
    @Flicker

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    There was no cover-up in the Ashli Babbit case, although there was definitely no transparency.   There was just an unwillingness to prosecute and enforce our laws.  And that wasn’t due to a police investigation, it  was due to the democrats who control Congress who were in charge.

    No transparency is a cover-up.  Putting a cover on something so it can never be seen, is a cover up.

    • #47
  18. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    BDB (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Cassandro (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):

    The “investigation” is almost always some form of cover-up, especially when police and law enforcement, politics are involved.

    No it’s not. Demonstrate that investigations of crimes scenes are almost always some form of cover-up. And since when did politics become involved here?

    Dang. Remember Miriam Carey.

    And who shot Ashli Babbitt?

    Hero cop Michael Byrd, who was in fear of his life because an unarmed woman was attempting to crawl through a broken window thirty feet away.

    Shame on you all for not checking your knowledge at the door and simply waiting to be spoon-fed by our beloved media.

     

    I think this one is better:

     

    • #48
  19. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Cassandro (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):

    The “investigation” is almost always some form of cover-up, especially when police and law enforcement, politics are involved.

    No it’s not. Demonstrate that investigations of crimes scenes are almost always some form of cover-up. And since when did politics become involved here?

    Dang. Remember Miriam Carey.

    And who shot Ashli Babbitt?

    I’m not familiar with the name Miriam Carey.

    There was no cover-up in the Ashli Babbit case, although there was definitely no transparency. There was just an unwillingness to prosecute and enforce our laws. And that wasn’t due to a police investigation, it was due to the democrats who control Congress who were in charge.

    What?  The shooter of Ashli Babbitt was not ever identified officially as far as I know.  Just for one thing.  How is that not a cover-up?

    • #49
  20. Steven Seward Member
    Steven Seward
    @StevenSeward

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Cassandro (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):

    The “investigation” is almost always some form of cover-up, especially when police and law enforcement, politics are involved.

    No it’s not. Demonstrate that investigations of crimes scenes are almost always some form of cover-up. And since when did politics become involved here?

    Dang. Remember Miriam Carey.

    And who shot Ashli Babbitt?

    I’m not familiar with the name Miriam Carey.

    There was no cover-up in the Ashli Babbit case, although there was definitely no transparency. There was just an unwillingness to prosecute and enforce our laws. And that wasn’t due to a police investigation, it was due to the democrats who control Congress who were in charge.

    What? The shooter of Ashli Babbitt was not ever identified officially as far as I know. Just for one thing. How is that not a cover-up?

    Well, I guess you could call it that since they would not release the name of the officer.  Normally a cover-up is meant to conceal a crime that was committed or errors on the part of law enforcement.  In this case they admitted what had happened but  publicly announced that the shooting was not a crime.  The main gist of the public outcry has been that they decided not to prosecute the guy, unequal justice under the law, not that there was a cover-up.   Hopefully that will change when the Repubs take over Congress.

    • #50
  21. TBA Coolidge
    TBA
    @RobtGilsdorf

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    And yes, investigations are increasingly coverups. It’s not new, but it’s more so than it had been

    Can you point to some recent police investigations that were cover-ups? I’m not being challenging, I just don’t recall any recently.

    The whole point of a cover-up is that you have to later uncover it in order to see it. 

    It would be a mistake to assume they’re all cover-ups, but when you find a roach, it won’t be the only one. 

    • #51
  22. TBA Coolidge
    TBA
    @RobtGilsdorf

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Cassandro (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):

    The “investigation” is almost always some form of cover-up, especially when police and law enforcement, politics are involved.

    No it’s not. Demonstrate that investigations of crimes scenes are almost always some form of cover-up. And since when did politics become involved here?

    Dang. Remember Miriam Carey.

    And who shot Ashli Babbitt?

    I’m not familiar with the name Miriam Carey.

    There was no cover-up in the Ashli Babbit case, although there was definitely no transparency. There was just an unwillingness to prosecute and enforce our laws. And that wasn’t due to a police investigation, it was due to the democrats who control Congress who were in charge.

    Cover-ups are bad. Not needing a cover-up because the powerful commit a crime and are not prosecuted is far worse. 

    • #52
  23. BDB Inactive
    BDB
    @BDB

    kedavis (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Cassandro (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):

    The “investigation” is almost always some form of cover-up, especially when police and law enforcement, politics are involved.

    No it’s not. Demonstrate that investigations of crimes scenes are almost always some form of cover-up. And since when did politics become involved here?

    Dang. Remember Miriam Carey.

    And who shot Ashli Babbitt?

    Hero cop Michael Byrd, who was in fear of his life because an unarmed woman was attempting to crawl through a broken window thirty feet away.

    Shame on you all for not checking your knowledge at the door and simply waiting to be spoon-fed by our beloved media.

    I think this one is better:

    [whatever]

    Color me not surprised.

    • #53
  24. Doug Watt Member
    Doug Watt
    @DougWatt

    The Capitol Hill Police are under no obligation to respond to Freedom of Information Requests (FOIA). The 3 three officers selected to testify before Congress were carefully selected. The DOJ protects the narrative that Nancy Pelosi wants the public to hear. Unlike local police departments and sheriff offices that at some point must release details to the public and the feds the same is not true for the Capitol Hill Police.

    Local law enforcement can ask that a Grand Jury decision be not made public until the subject involved is actually arrested and in custody but at some point, the decision and evidence collected will be made public.

    My personal opinion is that this protection for the Capitol Hill Police is wrong, and leads to mistrust, as well as the perception of corruption in Federal law enforcement.

    • #54
  25. Percival Thatcher
    Percival
    @Percival

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Cassandro (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):

    The “investigation” is almost always some form of cover-up, especially when police and law enforcement, politics are involved.

    No it’s not. Demonstrate that investigations of crimes scenes are almost always some form of cover-up. And since when did politics become involved here?

    Dang. Remember Miriam Carey.

    And who shot Ashli Babbitt?

    I’m not familiar with the name Miriam Carey.

    There was no cover-up in the Ashli Babbit case, although there was definitely no transparency. There was just an unwillingness to prosecute and enforce our laws. And that wasn’t due to a police investigation, it was due to the democrats who control Congress who were in charge.

    What? The shooter of Ashli Babbitt was not ever identified officially as far as I know. Just for one thing. How is that not a cover-up?

     

    • #55
  26. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Percival (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Cassandro (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):

    The “investigation” is almost always some form of cover-up, especially when police and law enforcement, politics are involved.

    No it’s not. Demonstrate that investigations of crimes scenes are almost always some form of cover-up. And since when did politics become involved here?

    Dang. Remember Miriam Carey.

    And who shot Ashli Babbitt?

    I’m not familiar with the name Miriam Carey.

    There was no cover-up in the Ashli Babbit case, although there was definitely no transparency. There was just an unwillingness to prosecute and enforce our laws. And that wasn’t due to a police investigation, it was due to the democrats who control Congress who were in charge.

    What? The shooter of Ashli Babbitt was not ever identified officially as far as I know. Just for one thing. How is that not a cover-up?

     

    I specified OFFICIALLY identified.  As I recall, it was discovered by some media outlet, or leaked or something.  Maybe once that happened, later government documents gave the name since it was already out.

    • #56
  27. Percival Thatcher
    Percival
    @Percival

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Cassandro (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):

    The “investigation” is almost always some form of cover-up, especially when police and law enforcement, politics are involved.

    No it’s not. Demonstrate that investigations of crimes scenes are almost always some form of cover-up. And since when did politics become involved here?

    Dang. Remember Miriam Carey.

    And who shot Ashli Babbitt?

    I’m not familiar with the name Miriam Carey.

    There was no cover-up in the Ashli Babbit case, although there was definitely no transparency. There was just an unwillingness to prosecute and enforce our laws. And that wasn’t due to a police investigation, it was due to the democrats who control Congress who were in charge.

    What? The shooter of Ashli Babbitt was not ever identified officially as far as I know. Just for one thing. How is that not a cover-up?

     

    I specified OFFICIALLY identified. As I recall, it was discovered by some media outlet, or leaked or something. Maybe once that happened, later government documents gave the name since it was already out.

    Byrd’s name was leaked before he came forward. Once the veil of secrecy was gone, they trotted out Byrd and NBC rolled beachball questions at him.

    • #57
  28. Cassandro Coolidge
    Cassandro
    @Flicker

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Cassandro (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):

    The “investigation” is almost always some form of cover-up, especially when police and law enforcement, politics are involved.

    No it’s not. Demonstrate that investigations of crimes scenes are almost always some form of cover-up. And since when did politics become involved here?

    Dang. Remember Miriam Carey.

    And who shot Ashli Babbitt?

    I’m not familiar with the name Miriam Carey.

    There was no cover-up in the Ashli Babbit case, although there was definitely no transparency. There was just an unwillingness to prosecute and enforce our laws. And that wasn’t due to a police investigation, it was due to the democrats who control Congress who were in charge.

    What? The shooter of Ashli Babbitt was not ever identified officially as far as I know. Just for one thing. How is that not a cover-up?

    Well, I guess you could call it that since they would not release the name of the officer. Normally a cover-up is meant to conceal a crime that was committed or errors on the part of law enforcement. In this case they admitted what had happened but publicly announced that the shooting was not a crime. The main gist of the public outcry has been that they decided not to prosecute the guy, unequal justice under the law, not that there was a cover-up. Hopefully that will change when the Repubs take over Congress.

    Or redefine it so that it’s not a crime.

    • #58
  29. Annefy Member
    Annefy
    @Annefy

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):

    The “investigation” is almost always some form of cover-up, especially when police and law enforcement, politics are involved.

    No it’s not. Demonstrate that investigations of crimes scenes are almost always some form of cover-up. And since when did politics become involved here?

     

     

     

    Anyone got the down low on what happened in Las Vegas? I know people who were there. People who were witnesses. They haven’t a clue. 

    who does? Have a clue, I mean. Cause whomever it is ain’t sharing. 

    • #59
  30. OmegaPaladin Moderator
    OmegaPaladin
    @OmegaPaladin

    I try to look at how future attacks can be prevented.  What was the decision process that led to the department breaking standard policy since Columbine?  Especially, if the city has a SWAT team, why did the SWAT not perform an entry or shoot through the window?

    Honestly, it feels like a lot of the debate is just screaming.  The dems will use any excuse for gun control. 

    • #60
Become a member to join the conversation. Or sign in if you're already a member.