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Outgunned in a 2,000-Round Gun Battle
The North Hollywood Shootout was a 2,000-round gun battle between two bank robbers and the LAPD on February 28, 1997. A gun battle when shotguns and pistols were not enough when engaging two heavily armed and armored suspects.
Police departments started to add long guns like AR-15’s to their patrol vehicles after the North Hollywood shootout. There has been criticism of the militarization of the police. If the expectation is that police officers should risk their lives to engage active shooters, then, as the tip of the spear, at the very least they should be given the proper tools to get the job done.
The Buffalo, NY, shooter was wearing body armor. Biden has signed an Executive to stop providing military-grade equipment to police departments. Military-grade body armor with ceramic plates would be extra protection for officers hunting a shooter. It could be kept in the trunk until needed. Armored vehicles can be used to evacuate both citizens and officers, as well moving officers closer to a shooter. An armored vehicle can be used to knock down an exterior wall.
Unlike the barking media, I only have two questions that I would like answered. Dispatchers received cell phone calls from the children trapped in a Texas classroom. Did dispatchers inform officers inside the school of the cell calls from students? The second question: were dispatchers asking a student(s) where the shooter was in the classroom? A simple question such as: is the bad guy at the front of the classroom? The second question could have helped with the decision of how and when to breach the door.
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Published in Policing
Not at all what I said. If you want to focus on the details of this case, go right ahead, but this is a trend. Stop following the bouncing ball and look at who pays for the ads (so to speak).
Should those who know something suddenly decide to know nothing each morning? Perhaps read what I wrote again. I’ll assume that you mistook my meaning.
If what we are doing is justice, then yes, the facts of this case are paramount. But this is not a court, and we are not a jury. This is our society, and we are absolutely empowered to step back and look at the big picture.
It is good to “spot check” the details of matters from time to time, but if you “spot check” everything, then you are doing your subordinates’ jobs for them. Imperfect analogy.
Welcome to America post-Obama. When is politics ever not involved?
It was the Clintons who ushered in the “permanent campaign” and Obama who brought us Presidential exhortations to get in peoples’ faces even at Thanksgiving.
That’s all in the past whether we like it or not, which means that *it happened*. And it’s still here. Perhaps you choose to begin each day in 1955, but I do not. Things have changed. Everything is political now, and whether we like it or not, that is the world we live in.
And yes, investigations are increasingly coverups. It’s not new, but it’s more so than it had been.
Dang. Remember Miriam Carey.
And who shot Ashli Babbitt?
Yes, but the Horowitz investigation was on the up and up.
And Durham is running at the speed of light. Hillary is nearly in jail as we speak.
Added: And Durham has convicted, how many?, one minor player who committed an egregious law enforcement crime (falsifying evidence for the FISA court) and he got his wrist slapped.
And every new “revelation” of the Sussman trial is stuff we’ve known for years. It’s just they’re now confessing it under oath — and very little of it at that.
Hero cop Michael Byrd, who was in fear of his life because an unarmed woman was attempting to crawl through a broken window thirty feet away.
Yes, I was just raising the incident. I’m sure he’s been duly reprimanded.
Perhaps I misunderstood what you were saying. However, what you said there did not clear anything up for me. What is your greater point?
Shame on you all for not checking your knowledge at the door and simply waiting to be spoon-fed by our beloved media.
Maybe it has political implications for you and the other readers on this site, but you cannot automatically project that onto the investigators of the Uvalde police department. For all we know they could be decent people who do their job faithfully. Just because many people discusses an event in terms of politics, that does mean that everybody else sees it that way too.
Can you point to some recent police investigations that were cover-ups? I’m not being challenging, I just don’t recall any recently.
That this trend of increasing school shootings is the result of the breakdown of society (particularly the “medication” of children and devaluing of men, especially white men), and while the particular details of this case matter in whatever court cases may come, this is hardly an isolated case. The individual details must be viewed in the context of the trend.
Stand by to be propagandized about guns and evil whiteness. Yet whitey and guns been around for a long time. What has changed?
Ferguson. George Floyd.
I’m not familiar with the name Miriam Carey.
There was no cover-up in the Ashli Babbit case, although there was definitely no transparency. There was just an unwillingness to prosecute and enforce our laws. And that wasn’t due to a police investigation, it was due to the democrats who control Congress who were in charge.
It came out weeks later when the media pinned a medal on him.
In that case I agree 100%. I don’t much mind the propagandizing about guns and the evils of Whiteness. They can do that all they want on our way to the polls in November.
She’s the woman who drove to DC from the NE US and collided with a barrier outside the White House. She had a 2-year-old? in a car seat. SS fired on her and her car as she tried to drive away (and I believe DC police did as well). And they finally shot her in the back of the head. Exactly what happened was filmed on dozens if not hundreds of CC cameras. DC police said that there was an investigation to be done, but there was never an investigation report released. It was just stated that all the police were doing there duty.
I believe the family did sue, or is suing. In the mean time it’s been memory holed.
No transparency is a cover-up. Putting a cover on something so it can never be seen, is a cover up.
I think this one is better:
What? The shooter of Ashli Babbitt was not ever identified officially as far as I know. Just for one thing. How is that not a cover-up?
Well, I guess you could call it that since they would not release the name of the officer. Normally a cover-up is meant to conceal a crime that was committed or errors on the part of law enforcement. In this case they admitted what had happened but publicly announced that the shooting was not a crime. The main gist of the public outcry has been that they decided not to prosecute the guy, unequal justice under the law, not that there was a cover-up. Hopefully that will change when the Repubs take over Congress.
The whole point of a cover-up is that you have to later uncover it in order to see it.
It would be a mistake to assume they’re all cover-ups, but when you find a roach, it won’t be the only one.
Cover-ups are bad. Not needing a cover-up because the powerful commit a crime and are not prosecuted is far worse.
Color me not surprised.
The Capitol Hill Police are under no obligation to respond to Freedom of Information Requests (FOIA). The 3 three officers selected to testify before Congress were carefully selected. The DOJ protects the narrative that Nancy Pelosi wants the public to hear. Unlike local police departments and sheriff offices that at some point must release details to the public and the feds the same is not true for the Capitol Hill Police.
Local law enforcement can ask that a Grand Jury decision be not made public until the subject involved is actually arrested and in custody but at some point, the decision and evidence collected will be made public.
My personal opinion is that this protection for the Capitol Hill Police is wrong, and leads to mistrust, as well as the perception of corruption in Federal law enforcement.
I specified OFFICIALLY identified. As I recall, it was discovered by some media outlet, or leaked or something. Maybe once that happened, later government documents gave the name since it was already out.
Byrd’s name was leaked before he came forward. Once the veil of secrecy was gone, they trotted out Byrd and NBC rolled beachball questions at him.
Or redefine it so that it’s not a crime.
Anyone got the down low on what happened in Las Vegas? I know people who were there. People who were witnesses. They haven’t a clue.
who does? Have a clue, I mean. Cause whomever it is ain’t sharing.
I try to look at how future attacks can be prevented. What was the decision process that led to the department breaking standard policy since Columbine? Especially, if the city has a SWAT team, why did the SWAT not perform an entry or shoot through the window?
Honestly, it feels like a lot of the debate is just screaming. The dems will use any excuse for gun control.