NYT: Most Extremist Violence in the US Comes from the Political Right

 

Just a quick note on an article I came across this morning.  I know it’s The New York Times, but remember that there are many in this country who still consider it to be a source of news.  The article is not specifically identified as an opinion piece, although it may be so labeled in the print edition.  Or heck, it could be a straight news piece.  It’s The New York Times.  Hard to say.  I pasted the first few paragraphs below.  Anyway, please read the whole thing:  The Buffalo killings are part of a pattern: Most extremist violence in the U.S. comes from the political right.

‘Numbers don’t lie’

Over the past decade, the Anti-Defamation League has counted about 450 U.S. murders committed by political extremists.

Of these 450 killings, right-wing extremists committed about 75 percent. Islamic extremists were responsible for about 20 percent, and left-wing extremists were responsible for 4 percent.

Nearly half of the murders were specifically tied to white supremacists:

Source: Anti-Defamation League

As this data shows, the American political right has a violence problem that has no equivalent on the left. And the 10 victims in Buffalo this past weekend are now part of this toll. “Right-wing extremist violence is our biggest threat,” Jonathan Greenblatt, the head of the ADL, has written. “The numbers don’t lie.”

Whoever wrote this article apparently struggles with math, calling 55% “nearly half.”  The New York Times editors also apparently struggle with math.  So they should change their title from, “The Numbers Don’t Lie” to something like, “The Numbers Don’t Lie, But We Don’t Understand Them.” But hey, don’t sweat the details.  Just remember that Republicans are bad.  That’s all you need to know.

Whoever wrote this article is also apparently unaware of Antifa, Black Lives Matter, or other Democratic Party supporters who burned cities for a year during the Trump-Biden campaign.  Or, more likely, the author doesn’t consider Antifa and BLM to be extremist organizations — to him, they’re moderates!  So their violence is not ‘extremist violence.’  Or something.  But hey — don’t sweat the details.  Just remember that Republicans are bad.  That’s all you need to know.

Now, of course, The New York Times would never make such inflammatory claims without backing up its point with data from a neutral, non-partisan source:  The Anti-Defamation League (Fighting Hate for Good!).  The ADL article doesn’t break down its data, either.  I would love to see the details on how exactly they came up with these stats.  But hey – don’t sweat the details.  Just remember that Republicans are bad.  That’s all you need to know.

Remember that the Democrats did not have to pay for this campaign ad, or any of the others provided by news media across America every day.  It’s free.

The media is just doing its job, here.  They’re trying to create a plausible background narrative in preparation for the trials of the January 6th protestors, which of course will be timed to have the maximum possible impact on the midterm elections.  Making a group of goofy unarmed hooligans look like dangerous armed insurrectionists would be impossible, without the media’s help.  So they do what they can.

They also keep attention off inflation, our border crisis, Ukraine, the opiate crisis, the crime wave in cities, election irregularities, baby food shortages, supply chain problems, and all the other things that have blown up under Democrat rule.  Change the narrative to violent Republicans.  Since Republicans are known more for their love of golf than for their love of firebombing, this is difficult.  But the media does what it can to help.

The New York Times and every other old media outlet will always have more impact than a 30-second paid campaign ad during a sitcom.  They work together to create the narrative they need at the time — it’s so ubiquitous, it becomes as natural as the air we breathe.

And the Democratic Party doesn’t have to pay for all this electioneering.  It’s free.

Most of the Democrats’ efforts to control the outcomes of elections don’t involve stuffing ballot boxes in Philadelphia.  There’s so, so much more.  And the problem is, most of it, like the article above, is not illegal.  And you can’t cut off its funding, because the Democrats didn’t pay for it to begin with.   As Time Magazine pointed out, the Democrats “save elections” through many different techniques.  And most of them are legal.  Perhaps not ethical.  But legal.

And it all is so ubiquitous, it becomes as natural as the air we breathe.  After a while, you don’t even notice it.

Just relax.  It’s easier that way.  It’ll be ok — really.

It’s amazing that Republicans ever win an election anywhere…

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  1. Ekosj Member
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    Misthiocracy got bored of the … (View Comment):

    Ekosj (View Comment):

    The data comes from here. I looked at a few of the “extremist murder” cases. It appears that if you are or were part of a group that the ADL defines as “right wing extremist” and kill someone for any reason, that murder is counted as a murder associated with a right wing extremist group. Example… suppose a guy was in the Aryan Brotherhood while in prison for drug dealing. Upon his release he goes back to dealing and kills someone’s in a drug deal gone bad. Murder? Check. Aryan Brotherhood? Extremist? Check. That case is in. But the Times makes it sound as if extremist politics are the motives for thes murder and that’s not the case at all.

    May I presume that Crips, Bloods, Banditos, La eMe, MS-13, Sinaloa Cartel, Hells Angels, Los Zetas, Black Guerrila Family, the Gambino crime family, and other criminal organizations, etc, etc, are not labeled “political extremists”?

    I’m not even saying such organizations are racist, but rather that every organized crime organization is by definition politically extreme, because they assert a monopoly on violence within their claimed territory.

    Spot on!

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  2. Full Size Tabby Member
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    Ekosj (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Ekosj (View Comment):
    It appears that if you are or were part of a group that the ADL defines as “right wing extremist” and kill someone for any reason, that murder is counted as a murder associated with a right wing extremist group. Example… suppose a guy was in the Aryan Brotherhood while in prison for drug dealing. Upon his release he goes back to dealing and kills someone’s in a drug deal gone bad. Murder? Check. Aryan Brotherhood? Extremist? Check.

    That sort of thing could really skew your stats. In prisons, gang membership is a safety feature, and a lot of the gangs are race-based. So if any non-black gangs are considered white supremacist groups, then if any of those criminals commits a crime for any reason, it’s a murder committed by a political extremist on the right.

    But this type of data makes it into The New York Times. After all, “The Numbers Don’t Lie”.

    Golly…

    On the other side…the non-white race-based gangs like the Crips and the Bloods and MS13 and the Mongols don’t get classified as “political extremist” so murders committed by their members do not appear in this dataset.

    On the contrary, these groups can be celebrated. Consider this year’s SuperBowl halftime show. It featured Snoop Dogg – who runs a segment of the Long Beach CA Crips – sporting an outfit that’s just a giant blue bandana – signature Crip colors:


    Basically a nationally televised Crip commercial. But hey. Whatev.

    The more I read of the underlying ADL report, the more biased it appears. The report implies (on page 8) that they assume any killing during the commission of a “traditional” crime is a right wing extremist killing if the perpetrator was a member of any group the ADL classifies as “right wing” (a classification that itself includes a lot of groups most right-wingers would not consider “right wing” – there is no logical reason to consider “white supremacists” or “inches” as inherently “right wing”)), and as evidenced by silence, the ADL apparently does not similarly count as “left wing” extremist killing any killing committed by a member of any leftist group or member of a non-white gang or group. 

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  3. kedavis Coolidge
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    Being honest would interfere with their agenda.

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  4. cdor Member
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    The Anti-Defamation League, a Jewish organization developed to fight anti-Semitism and hatred. With stories like this, they are creating what they were designed to defeat. The next time there is a pogrom, and the Jews need help, they sure aren’t going to get it from the left or from blacks. They are creating enemies from the only people that would be their friends. That is, I am sad to say, my humble Jewish opinion.

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  5. Percival Thatcher
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    cdor (View Comment):

    The anti-defamation league, a Jewish organization developed to fight anti-Semitism and hatred. With stories like this, they are creating what they were designed to defeat. The next time there is a pogrom, And the Jews need help, they sure aren’t going to get it from the left or from blacks. They are creating enemies from the only people that would be their friends. That is, I am sad to say, my humble Jewish opinion.

    I decided which way I’d break while watching the Holocaust episodes of “World at War” with my dad when I was in grade school.

    I’ll defend Jews no matter what the chin-pulling ADL might do because it is right.

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  6. kedavis Coolidge
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    Percival (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    The anti-defamation league, a Jewish organization developed to fight anti-Semitism and hatred. With stories like this, they are creating what they were designed to defeat. The next time there is a pogrom, And the Jews need help, they sure aren’t going to get it from the left or from blacks. They are creating enemies from the only people that would be their friends. That is, I am sad to say, my humble Jewish opinion.

    I decided which way I’d break while watching the Holocaust episodes of “World at War” with my dad when I was in grade school.

    I’ll defend Jews no matter what the chin-pulling ADL might do because it is right.

    As happens with many such groups, the actual motivation of the ADL has become leftism, not Judaism.

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  7. cdor Member
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    Percival (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    The anti-defamation league, a Jewish organization developed to fight anti-Semitism and hatred. With stories like this, they are creating what they were designed to defeat. The next time there is a pogrom, And the Jews need help, they sure aren’t going to get it from the left or from blacks. They are creating enemies from the only people that would be their friends. That is, I am sad to say, my humble Jewish opinion.

    I decided which way I’d break while watching the Holocaust episodes of “World at War” with my dad when I was in grade school.

    I’ll defend Jews no matter what the chin-pulling ADL might do because it is right.

    At some point, if one keeps getting spat in the face by someone they are trying to help, they could be inclined to look away. Just sayin’… and my sincere thanks for your support.

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  8. Henry Castaigne Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    The anti-defamation league, a Jewish organization developed to fight anti-Semitism and hatred. With stories like this, they are creating what they were designed to defeat. The next time there is a pogrom, And the Jews need help, they sure aren’t going to get it from the left or from blacks. They are creating enemies from the only people that would be their friends. That is, I am sad to say, my humble Jewish opinion.

    I decided which way I’d break while watching the Holocaust episodes of “World at War” with my dad when I was in grade school.

    I’ll defend Jews no matter what the chin-pulling ADL might do because it is right.

    As happens with many such groups, the actual motivation of the ADL has become leftism, not Judaism.

    Go team Jew! 

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  9. Stina Member
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    Any such thing as a collective action suit for libel?

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  10. Vance Richards Inactive
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    I think the real question liberals are asking right now is, “Why did Tucker kill all of those innocent people?” And some of them are serious.

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  11. kedavis Coolidge
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    Meanwhile, I remember when Infocom, creator of the text adventure game series Zork among others (Starcrossed, Leather Goddesses of Phobos, Planetfall, Hitchhiker’s Guide To The Galaxy…), was sued – or at least threatened to be sued – for naming their gaming newsletter “The New Zork Times.”

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  12. Ekosj Member
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    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    Ekosj (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Ekosj (View Comment):
    It appears that if you are or were part of a group that the ADL defines as “right wing extremist” and kill someone for any reason, that murder is counted as a murder associated with a right wing extremist group. Example… suppose a guy was in the Aryan Brotherhood while in prison for drug dealing. Upon his release he goes back to dealing and kills someone’s in a drug deal gone bad. Murder? Check. Aryan Brotherhood? Extremist? Check.

    That sort of thing could really skew your stats. In prisons, gang membership is a safety feature, and a lot of the gangs are race-based. So if any non-black gangs are considered white supremacist groups, then if any of those criminals commits a crime for any reason, it’s a murder committed by a political extremist on the right.

    But this type of data makes it into The New York Times. After all, “The Numbers Don’t Lie”.

    Golly…

    On the other side…the non-white race-based gangs like the Crips and the Bloods and MS13 and the Mongols don’t get classified as “political extremist” so murders committed by their members do not appear in this dataset.

    On the contrary, these groups can be celebrated. Consider this year’s SuperBowl halftime show. It featured Snoop Dogg – who runs a segment of the Long Beach CA Crips – sporting an outfit that’s just a giant blue bandana – signature Crip colors:


    Basically a nationally televised Crip commercial. But hey. Whatev.

    The more I read of the underlying ADL report, the more biased it appears. The report implies (on page 8) that they assume any killing during the commission of a “traditional” crime is a right wing extremist killing if the perpetrator was a member of any group the ADL classifies as “right wing” (a classification that itself includes a lot of groups most right-wingers would not consider “right wing” – there is no logical reason to consider “white supremacists” or “inches” as inherently “right wing”)), and as evidenced by silence, the ADL apparently does not similarly count as “left wing” extremist killing any killing committed by a member of any leftist group or member of a non-white gang or group.

    For example, a little over a year ago in Boulder CO, a Syrian man killed 10 people in a grocery store.   Almost a carbon copy of what happened in Buffalo.   His motive?   Getting back at “Islamophobes” was his admitted reason.  Certainly seems to be committed by a “political extremist”.  So…is that 2021 shooting in the ADL database?  

    Nope.  That wasn’t the right flavor of extremism for the ADL.

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  13. Barfly Member
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    Gazpacho Grande' (View Comment):
    You can get to their “data” through a link, the categorizations of what they call “white supremacy” is hilarious. 

    I was just about to post the link and repeat your comment; glad I checked.

    The report from the ADL and the NYT article are open lies. Ok, we know people of the left are liars. Do the ADL and NYT know we know that?

    They lie this openly because they’re ascendant now. I hope everyone remembers later, when they have to go back to hiding it.

    https://www.adl.org/murder-and-extremism-2021?te=1&nl=the-morning&emc=edit_nn_20220517#the-incidents

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  14. Doug Kimball Thatcher
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    “Lies, damned lies and statistics.” (?)  Unfortunately, federal homicide statistics are years behind the time.  What we do know is that murder (along with all crime) in the US is up big, and has been trending up for the last few years.   So this chart showing a distribution of a mere 450 “politically motivated” homocides that occured over a recent decade is not representative nor statistically significant given the number of actual homocides over that same period, a number likely to exceed 200,000 murders!  As others have pointed out, many of these “white supremacist” murders are attibuted to exCons from Aryan prison gangs.  Note that there is no attempt to attribute political status to Indian, black or hispanic murderers with prison or street gang connections!

    This entire analysis is wholly distorted and useless, political myth building meant to distort the facts to justify politics, not truth.  It is meant to justify a lie.

    We only have to be prepared to refute it loudly when Leftists cite it as proof of a horrific white supremacy problem among Republicans.  No, the only thing it vaguely indicates is a violent racism issue in our prisons, which then leaks onto the streets when criminals are released, and which likely has no color and affects blacks, hispanics, Indians and whites.

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  15. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Henry Racette killed the Black… (View Comment):

    “Murders committed by political extremists”.

    That’s an interesting category. Note they did not call it “hate crimes” or “politically-motivated murders”.

    How many of the white supremacists were also involved in organized crime, and the murders were just regular ordinary drug murders?

    Really good point.

    Leftists often choose their words carefully.

    It’s “A woman’s right to choose” – NOT “A mother’s right to choose”. After all, if you call the pregnant mother a mother, people might get the wrong idea, like abortion is a mother killing her child. Not a woman choosing, um, something. So she’s a woman, not a mother. Which is misleading, but not overtly false. After all, the mother is a woman, right? But in this case, mother sounds bad.

    When you’re wrong and you know it, you choose your words very, very carefully.

    Can you be sure that the mother is a woman?  

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  16. Percival Thatcher
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    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Henry Racette killed the Black… (View Comment):

    “Murders committed by political extremists”.

    That’s an interesting category. Note they did not call it “hate crimes” or “politically-motivated murders”.

    How many of the white supremacists were also involved in organized crime, and the murders were just regular ordinary drug murders?

    Really good point.

    Leftists often choose their words carefully.

    It’s “A woman’s right to choose” – NOT “A mother’s right to choose”. After all, if you call the pregnant mother a mother, people might get the wrong idea, like abortion is a mother killing her child. Not a woman choosing, um, something. So she’s a woman, not a mother. Which is misleading, but not overtly false. After all, the mother is a woman, right? But in this case, mother sounds bad.

    When you’re wrong and you know it, you choose your words very, very carefully.

    Can you be sure that the mother is a woman?

    I can. Not all of our Supreme Court justices can.

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  17. David Carroll Thatcher
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    No social data is reliable.  None.  All such data by necessity requires interpretation.  To fit data into categories, someone has to decide.  That is, they interpret.  All interpretation is skewed by cognitive bias.

    I find social science studies persuasive only when they have a different conclusion than the studier (or the organization) would be expected to reach based upon his, her or its inherent bias.

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  18. Red Herring Coolidge
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    Ekosj (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Ekosj (View Comment):
    It appears that if you are or were part of a group that the ADL defines as “right wing extremist” and kill someone for any reason, that murder is counted as a murder associated with a right wing extremist group. Example… suppose a guy was in the Aryan Brotherhood while in prison for drug dealing. Upon his release he goes back to dealing and kills someone’s in a drug deal gone bad. Murder? Check. Aryan Brotherhood? Extremist? Check.

    That sort of thing could really skew your stats. In prisons, gang membership is a safety feature, and a lot of the gangs are race-based. So if any non-black gangs are considered white supremacist groups, then if any of those criminals commits a crime for any reason, it’s a murder committed by a political extremist on the right.

    But this type of data makes it into The New York Times. After all, “The Numbers Don’t Lie”.

    Golly…

    One of my first white collar jobs entailed (in part) producing “gee whiz” statistics and graphs to accompany research reports put out by a public-policy consulting firm.

    After a while you can spot ‘em a mile away.

    The gun grabber groups put out great examples of this and their readers fall for it every time.

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  19. Red Herring Coolidge
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    It’s probably worth pointing out that “political violence” is a miniscule slice of all violence committed in the United States. The New York Times piece is reporting on an analysis of 45 murders per year.

    That’s 45 murders. Per year. Nationally.

    Just for perspective, we consider that to be a bad month in Chicago, where 51 individuals were shot to death in April of this year.

    That’s 51 murders. Last month. In Chicago.

    Of course, that could be a wild outlier. Maybe it isn’t usually that bad?

    There were 800 homicides in Chicago last year. That’s 66 murders a month: the very bad month of April 2022 was actually an improvement over last year.

    One is going not very far out on a limb — and it’s a pretty stout limb — to suggest that well over half of those homicides were likely committed by black men. (The victims were also disproportionately black men.)

    So one identifiable group in one U.S. city is killing people at a rate 50 to 100 times greater than the rate of “political violence” nationwide as identified by the New York Times.

    Now I’m going to hold my breath until the diligent reporters of the Times write a piece decrying rates of violence committed by black Americans. If you don’t hear back from me, you’ll know why.

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  20. Old Bathos Member
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    Right-wing nutjobs were responsible for the JFK assassination according to this sterile mindset.  Liberals need to believe that outside urban oases and some college towns, it is all a seething mass of primitives.  Ben Stein in his delightful (but long out of print) book The View from Sunset Boulevard (1979) detailed a zeitgeist that has changed little in the last half-century.  How many movies and TV episodes are out there that involve a car breaking down in the hinterlands and its occupants immediately preyed upon?  The statistical truth is that a vehicle breaking down at night in rural America is more likely to result in assistance than it would in much of Chicago or NYC.

    The question that we need to present to lefties is not about the rather dubious methodology used here but why do they so strongly need to believe it?

     

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  21. David Carroll Thatcher
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    I suspect that for some researcher, if a black person dies by violence, the cause is automatically white supremacy.  Even if the killer is black.  After all, if Clarence Thomas is a white supremacist (as the left contends), any black person can be.  And must be if the person kills a black person. Or alternative, the killer became a killer because of societal white supremacy.  Ergo, the black killer killed because of white supremacy.  Back there.  Somewhen.    

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  22. Red Herring Coolidge
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    It’s probably worth pointing out that “political violence” is a miniscule slice of all violence committed in the United States. The New York Times piece is reporting on an analysis of 45 murders per year.

    That’s 45 murders. Per year. Nationally.

    Just for perspective, we consider that to be a bad month in Chicago, where 51 individuals were shot to death in April of this year.

    That’s 51 murders. Last month. In Chicago.

    Of course, that could be a wild outlier. Maybe it isn’t usually that bad?

    There were 800 homicides in Chicago last year. That’s 66 murders a month: the very bad month of April 2022 was actually an improvement over last year.

    One is going not very far out on a limb — and it’s a pretty stout limb — to suggest that well over half of those homicides were likely committed by black men. (The victims were also disproportionately black men.)

    So one identifiable group in one U.S. city is killing people at a rate 50 to 100 times greater than the rate of “political violence” nationwide as identified by the New York Times.

    Now I’m going to hold my breath until the diligent reporters of the Times write a piece decrying rates of violence committed by black Americans. If you don’t hear back from me, you’ll know why.

    L

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  23. Joker Member
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    If we’re going to talk numbers, just look at the perpetrators of the political violence. You have one nutjob go off in Buffalo, and pretend he’s Bircher, no matter what his manifesto says (I think red flag laws ought to seek out anyone with a manifesto.)

    That’s one guy, not a troop of white supremacists for some reason.

    But BLM and Antifa are all about political violence dressed up as peaceful protests. And they organize in a big way, show up by the thousands, use the nonviolent protestors as cover (some holding big umbrellas to obscure those throwing rocks and bottles at cops.) Everybody is in masks. The “peaceful protestors” know that there are assaults and vandalism looting going on. A rational person might say “not in my name” or “I want nothing to do with these people, I wanted to peacefully protest police brutality. But no, they show up night after night, tacitly approving of the violence and promoting it. 

    They outnumber the degenerate in Buffalo by a healthy margin.

    Police injuries don’t matter, unless they’re working security in Top’s.

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  24. Misthiocracy got bored of the joke and Member
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    Stina (View Comment):

    Any such thing as a collective action suit for libel?

    No, there is not.

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  25. Misthiocracy got bored of the joke and Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Meanwhile, I remember when Infocom, creator of the text adventure game series Zork among others (Starcrossed, Leather Goddesses of Phobos, Planetfall, Hitchhiker’s Guide To The Galaxy…), was sued – or at least threatened to be sued – for naming their gaming newsletter “The New Zork Times.”

    That’s an alleged trademark violation.  Different thing entirely.

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  26. Henry Castaigne Member
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    David Carroll (View Comment):

    No social data is reliable. None. All such data by necessity requires interpretation. To fit data into categories, someone has to decide. That is, they interpret. All interpretation is skewed by cognitive bias.

    I find social science studies persuasive only when they have a different conclusion than the studier (or the organization) would be expected to reach based upon his, her or its inherent bias.

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  27. Joker Member
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    The word “extreme” and its variants are always affixed to any group or person to the right of Bernie Sanders. So you can always find authoritative sounding sources for classifying any non-lefty as extremist. It’s so ubiquitous that it barely registers with me anymore. And if you’re an extremist group, anything you have to say is automatically extreme. I can’t look at the JDL as an authority on such matters because they know this.

    Has the NYT ever come across a left organization that they consider extreme? Seriously, since the Weather Underground or Symbionese Liberation Army? Nope, the Lefty groups are all principled grass roots teams fighting for justice and awareness and a better world – and the Soros money proves it. Shutting down extremism sounds almost like noble cause to the low information types. But you have to be sure its extreme and the MSM provides ample support for that classification.

    President Brandon just shout – whispered his contempt for white supremacists again yesterday. That was quite a 180 from a guy who eulogized Robert Byrd. If you’re going to call them out, name names. Go full McCarthy. You’ve pretty much burned your bridges with half the country already, just make your phony, petty, overstated concerns clear.

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  28. Paul Stinchfield Member
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    Old Bathos (View Comment):
    Right-wing nutjobs were responsible for the JFK assassination according to this sterile mindset.

    Dan Rather peddled that malevolent lie, as I recall, when he was a young dirtbag (as opposed to the lies he peddled as an elderly dirtbag.)

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  29. Charlotte Member
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    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):
    elderly dirtbag

    I believe he prefers “dirtbag grise”. Much classier.

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  30. Paul Stinchfield Member
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    Misthiocracy got bored of the … (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Meanwhile, I remember when Infocom, creator of the text adventure game series Zork among others (Starcrossed, Leather Goddesses of Phobos, Planetfall, Hitchhiker’s Guide To The Galaxy…), was sued – or at least threatened to be sued – for naming their gaming newsletter “The New Zork Times.”

    That’s an alleged trademark violation. Different thing entirely.

    Alleged. Legally protected satire.

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