1977: We Are Not Alone

 

In Vince Guerra’s Ricochet Movie Fight Club, Question 107, the topic of “What is the best sci-fi film of all time?” brought on a lively discussion. Kedavis said “I’m disappointed. (Close Encounters) may not be the top-best sci-fi movie, but I’d easily put it above either Back to the Future or Jurassic Park”. Occupant CDN replied: “Is it just me?…Close Encounters is kinda like ET, in that it’s dropped completely out – It’s like these movies are completely invisible”. Matt Bartle agreed.

Entirely reasonable reactions. In its day, Close Encounters of the Third Kind was briefly considered Star Wars’ equal in popularity, yet its superior in ambition and artistry, as important and lasting as any movie ever made. As fondly regarded as it was, fewer people see it that way now. The film isn’t forgotten—I bet you know roughly what it’s about even if you haven’t seen it—but unlike Star Wars, the impact of Close Encounters on popular culture has faded over 44 years.

 

The whole movie is one long buildup. It has two interwoven plots that converge: first, a solemn, visually stagy worldwide pursuit of eyewitnesses to UFO sightings, up-close-and-direct, and then, the more specific and personal tale of Roy Neery (Richard Dreyfuss), an Indiana electrical worker whose UFO experience completely wrecks—well, alters–his life. He’s strangely impelled to travel to Devil’s Tower, Wyoming, a stunning natural monument where the government is conducting some kind of mystery-shrouded scientific experiment. Here, the two plot lines finally meet: it’s the secret location of an imminent, first-time, face-to-face encounter between humans and aliens.

This climactic scene, in its visual majesty, is intended to come off with the impact of a combination of the first atomic bomb test at Trinity Site and the Crucifixion. For many people, it succeeded. The ending, about 20% of the running time of the film, took up what Steven Spielberg later estimated to be about 50% of its energy, budget, and shooting time.

Lucas and Spielberg started their respective projects, Star Wars and Close Encounters, at about the same time, with script notes in 1973 leading to signed contracts in 1975. Both young directors made their production plans with the recent example of Stanley Kubrick’s 2001 in mind. They made a point of filming far from Hollywood, with an unusual degree of independence. George did it Stanley’s way, filming the live action on an English sound stage, and using his own handpicked in-house visual effects crew, which he would come to call Industrial Light and Magic.

2001 and Star Wars had few unexpected problems while filming, which straightforwardly went pretty much as planned. Their studios backed them patiently, at least until near the end of the lengthy effects and editing.

By contrast, CE3K had few problems with its special effects, farmed out to 2001 veteran Doug Trumbull, but it had a troubled, high friction production. Filming went months over schedule. Spielberg, coming off of what was then the most successful film in history, Jaws, was striving to outdo himself. As 1976 progressed, he kept changing and adding things as he went along, running the budget up gradually from $5 million to an eventual $20 million. At that time, it was an enormous sum to spend on a movie, roughly equivalent to $200 million now. The studio was on Spielberg’s tail almost from day one, begging him to speed it up.

Close Encounters was largely filmed in Alabama, which gave big tax breaks to Columbia Pictures. Months of shooting with hot lights in a WWII-vintage blimp hangar, through the sweltering heat of an Alabama summer, was not fun. The co-producer, Julia Phillips, not a Spielberg choice, was a widely loathed cokehead who ended up being barred from the location. (Her malicious autobiography would be titled You’ll Never Eat Lunch in this Town Again.) Creating the visual effects in distant California meant that actors on the set couldn’t see what they were supposedly reacting to. Most did their jobs well, but it’s tough for an actor to be told to just gaze reverently at an offstage lightbulb and act awed beyond belief.

Preview audiences gave mixed but mostly positive responses. Press reviews were also positive, many calling it a great film. Some of those good reviews made Columbia nervous when they qualified their praise with “Should do well, but it’s no Star Wars”. George and Steven were pals, but the historic success of Lucas’s film put strains in the relationship. For back in the first weeks of Star Wars’ dazzling run, Columbia Pictures did something rash: they publicly predicted that Close Encounters would equal or best it at the box office. This was very bad management of the expectations game and it would haunt them later. But in the summer of 1977, Star Wars didn’t yet look like the foundation of an entertainment empire; it merely looked like that summer’s Jaws. And after all, Columbia Pictures had the director of Jaws finishing up his flying saucer movie.

Columbia was in the middle of one of Hollywood’s biggest-ever management scandals (over money, not sex) and had bet the company on CE3K being a big hit. They poured an unprecedented amount into marketing and advertising. There’s an expression in Hollywood, “You can’t buy box office gross”, but to a certain degree you can. Kubrick never did that; he gave MGM’s publicity office almost nothing. Lucas was so late -recutting his film that he didn’t give Fox much help, which fortunately didn’t matter. But Close Encounters of the Third Kind was given a rocket push. Splashy screenings were held for such un-cinematic personages as the Dalai Lama and the Secretary-General of the United Nations. Film reviewers across the country were given cassettes of interviews with Spielberg and the actors, as well as complimentary cassette players.

By 1980, Close Encounters’ box office earnings had finally exceeded those of Jaws, Steven Spielberg’s original goal. He’d done it on his own this time, without a Peter Benchley best seller as a platform. Nor did he need a major star to help sell the movie. Star Wars, it was now understood, couldn’t be compared with anything else, and the press tactfully didn’t remind Columbia Pictures about their on-the-record and off-the-record comparisons of the prospects of the two films, merely three years ago, before CE3K’s release on December 14, 1977.

By then, the movie industry was in a different, hyper-inflationary new world. Video cassettes were already filling studio coffers, and cable was finally catching on. There was a lot more money sloshing around. 1975, the relatively innocent days when the Star Wars and Close Encounters studio deals were made, might as well have been a generation ago.

Some other notes about the aftermath of Close Encounters: Before it came out, Steven Spielberg was already known as a director of blockbuster movies, but not specifically of science fiction or visual magic. CE3K is where that all began.

The Spielberg “God Light” effect, an intense point source associated since then with otherworldly moments, began here. This kind of visual treatment, as well as dozens if not hundreds of stories of everyday Americans suddenly in the presence of transcendence, became something of a cliche. The concept of an overwhelmingly large mothership has become a regular presence in pop science fiction. Over the decades, CGI, computer generated imagery, made some of these moments more routine and hence, less magical.

From that point forward, most major studios now strove to have at least two $20 million films in its roster every year, in hopes that one or both would be a $100 million box office home run. This would remain true throughout the Eighties and Nineties, as the dollars of more and more production outlets chased a limited amount of proven talent. It wasn’t that studios were resisting a sensible risk/rewards ratio as much as the fact that the rewards could be so much more rewarding. It’s the Tentpole Effect, and it affects Hollywood’s judgment to this day.

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  1. Matt Bartle Member
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    Star Trek again?

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  2. Saint Augustine Member
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    Matt Bartle (View Comment):

    Star Trek again?

    Star Trek forever.

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  3. DrewInWisconsin, Oik! Member
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    The Girlie Show (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    The weirdest thing about that video clip above with the woman reacting to Close Encounters is that she said she was watching the movie on a 13-inch laptop.

    WHY!?

    Why would you do that? What good is progress made in ever-larger (and ever-cheaper) television screens if you end up watching a glorious movie on a 13-inch laptop?

    These are the dark ages, man.

    Don’t expect anything from channels that just watch movies for the first time (or listen to songs for the first time, etc.) and react to it. Bottom rung of YouTube (that I shamefully sometimes succumb to watching).

    I don’t. I think Reaction Videos are a bit weird. But I also think it’s really, really weird to watch an entire movie (particularly one that’s so visually stunning) on a 13-inch laptop.

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  4. DrewInWisconsin, Oik! Member
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    Gary McVey (View Comment):
    But George Lucas was on the record in Rolling Stone, IIRC, trolling back. “I’m not the kind of filmmaker who shows a storyboard to some guy and he comes back to you six months later, ‘Here’s your special effect, sir’” Who was that kind of filmmaker? By implication, his buddy, Steven Spielberg, 

    Hilariously ironic in retrospect.

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  5. DrewInWisconsin, Oik! Member
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    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Matt Bartle (View Comment):

    Star Trek again?

    Star Trek forever.

    There’s a saying among our group of friends that “Everything eventually comes back to Star Trek.” Whatever the current discussion, somehow Star Trek will be interjected into it.

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  6. Clavius Thatcher
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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    kedavis (View Comment):

    In fact, if it is broadcast, licenses often limit the number of showings of a title. For example, a broadcaster might get the rights for 6 months or five broadcasts, whichever comes first.

    That was my first point, that whoever now owns CE3K might value it too highly now.

    It is probably valued just more highly than those who would want to pay for it. The market needs to clear.

    Only $2.99 to rent https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B00AFFFHA8/ref=atv_dp_share_cu_r

    That seems to be only the original theatrical version, and you can only watch it once within 48 hours.

    Please, don’t be obtuse.  I wrote “rent” so what do you expect?

    All the versions are available and you can buy them for about $15.

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  7. Clavius Thatcher
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    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    U. S. Marshalls is such a great movie.

    Someday I should watch The Fugitive from start to finish.

    I like how Wesley Snipes says “Get righteous” when he wants to be declared innocent by the authorities. Very Reformation.

    Sometimes you find the strength to watch a good movie, even if you might have to take it seriously.

    Maybe after this I can find something really stupid with zombies on Netflix. I don’t know that I have enough energy to do First Contact on Amazon. Too good a movie. I think I need to watch some crap. Or maybe I should just find some music with a beat.

    Yeah, let’s do the music. That’s best for grading.

    You fell for the “Vulcans had warp drive first” retcon? Dang.

    I just think it’s a good movie. Original Star Trek is still best.

    Not that some nerds don’t have an explanation somewhere. I hope it’s a good one.

    It kinda gave them another story to tell, I guess. Not that they needed another. And there is talk that the Enterprise series was supposed to deal with humans first inventing warp drive, and then building ships using it, etc. But they took another shortcut instead.

    And when you think about it, even from what T’Pol said about Vulcans in the Enterprise series itself, the Vulcans were not really inventive or explorer types, so why would THEY discover it?

    Bottom line, like you have people who claim the US is the worst, you have people who believe Humanity/Earth is the worst. Maybe they figured it would be too far to claim that Zefram Cochrane didn’t do ANYTHING, but they still had to put Vulcans – and Romulans, and Klingons, etc etc – ahead of humans.

    I don’t really have a problem with that idea. It’s something that has always been an option in classic sci-fi. Earth is frequently the new kid on the block, among species that have been in space for hundreds or thousands of years. But humans are adventurous, prolific and inventive, and very quickly become a power among the rest. Sort of like the US when you think about it.

    Like the last couple of lines from Arthur C. Clarke’s Rescue Party. (Pardon my inexact recollection.)

    “We should be nice to them.  After all, they’ve only known radio for two centuries.

    10 years later, that statement wasn’t funny.”

    Edit: Kedavis beat me to it and has the money quote:

    “Something tells me they’ll be very determined people,” he added. “We had better be polite to them. After all, we only outnumber them about a thousand million to one.”

    Rugon laughed at his captain’s little joke.

    Twenty years afterward, the remark didn’t seem funny.”

     

    .

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  8. GLDIII Purveyor of Splendid Malpropisms Reagan
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    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Posted in wrong thread. Because I’m stupid.

    Are you expecting an argument?

    Those are being held in a different post.

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  9. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    The weirdest thing about that video clip above with the woman reacting to Close Encounters is that she said she was watching the movie on a 13-inch laptop.

    WHY!?

    Why would you do that? What good is progress made in ever-larger (and ever-cheaper) television screens if you end up watching a glorious movie on a 13-inch laptop?

    These are the dark ages, man.

    Because that’s what she had. She went to war with the army she had. A laptop to watch movies and edit her videos on, and a cell phone to film her videos. She didnt wait to buy all the best cameras and sound equipment – she decided she was going to do it, and did it.

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  10. DrewInWisconsin, Oik! Member
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    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    The weirdest thing about that video clip above with the woman reacting to Close Encounters is that she said she was watching the movie on a 13-inch laptop.

    WHY!?

    Why would you do that? What good is progress made in ever-larger (and ever-cheaper) television screens if you end up watching a glorious movie on a 13-inch laptop?

    These are the dark ages, man.

    Because that’s what she had. She went to war with the army she had. A laptop to watch movies and edit her videos on, and a cell phone to film her videos. She didnt wait to buy all the best cameras and sound equipment – she decided she was going to do it, and did it.

    No problem about filming herself with a phone and a laptop. What I want to know is why watch the movie on a laptop. That’s not necessary for the filming and editing of her YouTube videos.

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  11. kedavis Coolidge
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    Yes, but Star Trek started out as a humans-first storyline, and there was no real need to change it. Not EVERY storyline of EVERY TV series or movie, has to be Earth as “new kid on the block.” If anything, Star Trek was one of the few that didn’t. (Although people often seem to forget that everything cool about Star Trek comes AFTER – and arguably BECAUSE OF – World War 3.)

    I only know TOS and the TNG movies, but I don’t remember humans first ever being an explicit thing. Did it come later?

    It’s based on what Spock said in the TOS episode “Metamorphosis” where they find the long-thought-dead Zefram Cochrane.

    SPOCK: The name of Zefram Cochrane is revered throughout the known galaxy. Planets were named after him. Great universities, cities.

    Now, why would that be the case if Cochrane only invented warp drive for Earth?

    If you can think of an explanation, let me know, but I probably won’t buy it.

    (There’s also a somewhat side-reference in the episode “Court Martial”:

    KIRK: Timothy, I haven’t seen you since the Vulcanian expedition.

    Why would there be a “Vulcanian expedition” if the Vulcans first came to Earth ~200 years earlier?)

    At most you’re talking about first to discover warp drive, not the first space-faring race. And even that might be a human centric view. The known galaxy mentioned might well be Federation Space. There is every reason to believe that when humanity reached the stars they found other space-faring races already waiting for them.

    Space-faring without some kind of warp drive is kinda nothing, when you really think about it.  Without some kind of FTL technology, you’re pretty much limited to a solar system.  Anything else you might try is going to take decades at minimum, and perhaps several generations.  Yes, theoretically such things could be attempted, but it wouldn’t surprise me if the failure rate is close to or right at 100%.

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  12. kedavis Coolidge
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    Star Trek again?

    Star Trek forever.

    Forever is capitalized too.  :-)

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  13. kedavis Coolidge
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    In fact, if it is broadcast, licenses often limit the number of showings of a title. For example, a broadcaster might get the rights for 6 months or five broadcasts, whichever comes first.

    That was my first point, that whoever now owns CE3K might value it too highly now.

    It is probably valued just more highly than those who would want to pay for it. The market needs to clear.

    Only $2.99 to rent https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B00AFFFHA8/ref=atv_dp_share_cu_r

    That seems to be only the original theatrical version, and you can only watch it once within 48 hours.

    Please, don’t be obtuse. I wrote “rent” so what do you expect?

    All the versions are available and you can buy them for about $15.

    If you “rent” a book from the library, do they limit how many times you can read it?

    And when you get DVDs from Netflix, they don’t limit how many times you watch them either.

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  14. Judge Mental Member
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    Yes, but Star Trek started out as a humans-first storyline, and there was no real need to change it. Not EVERY storyline of EVERY TV series or movie, has to be Earth as “new kid on the block.” If anything, Star Trek was one of the few that didn’t. (Although people often seem to forget that everything cool about Star Trek comes AFTER – and arguably BECAUSE OF – World War 3.)

     

    I only know TOS and the TNG movies, but I don’t remember humans first ever being an explicit thing. Did it come later?

    It’s based on what Spock said in the TOS episode “Metamorphosis” where they find the long-thought-dead Zefram Cochrane.

     

    SPOCK: The name of Zefram Cochrane is revered throughout the known galaxy. Planets were named after him. Great universities, cities.

     

    Now, why would that be the case if Cochrane only invented warp drive for Earth?

    If you can think of an explanation, let me know, but I probably won’t buy it.

     

    (There’s also a somewhat side-reference in the episode “Court Martial”:

    KIRK: Timothy, I haven’t seen you since the Vulcanian expedition.

    Why would there be a “Vulcanian expedition” if the Vulcans first came to Earth ~200 years earlier?)

    At most you’re talking about first to discover warp drive, not the first space-faring race. And even that might be a human centric view. The known galaxy mentioned might well be Federation Space. There is every reason to believe that when humanity reached the stars they found other space-faring races already waiting for them.

    Space-faring without some kind of warp drive is kinda nothing, when you really think about it. Without some kind of FTL technology, you’re pretty much limited to a solar system. Anything else you might try is going to take decades at minimum, and perhaps several generations. Yes, theoretically such things could be attempted, but it wouldn’t surprise me if the failure right is close to or right at 100%.

    Who says they didn’t have faster than light?  Are you really trying to sell me on the idea that the Romulans and Klingons never colonized a single world until after we gave them warp drive?

    Sorry.  No sale.

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  15. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    The weirdest thing about that video clip above with the woman reacting to Close Encounters is that she said she was watching the movie on a 13-inch laptop.

    WHY!?

    Why would you do that? What good is progress made in ever-larger (and ever-cheaper) television screens if you end up watching a glorious movie on a 13-inch laptop?

    These are the dark ages, man.

    Because that’s what she had. She went to war with the army she had. A laptop to watch movies and edit her videos on, and a cell phone to film her videos. She didnt wait to buy all the best cameras and sound equipment – she decided she was going to do it, and did it.

    No problem about filming herself with a phone and a laptop. What I want to know is why watch the movie on a laptop. That’s not necessary for the filming and editing of her YouTube videos.

    Because shes filming with her phone she has to go to the room with the best ambient noise levels. I think she said was filming many of her early reactions in the closet the 2nd bedroom …

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  16. kedavis Coolidge
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    I only know TOS and the TNG movies, but I don’t remember humans first ever being an explicit thing. Did it come later?

    It’s based on what Spock said in the TOS episode “Metamorphosis” where they find the long-thought-dead Zefram Cochrane.

     

    SPOCK: The name of Zefram Cochrane is revered throughout the known galaxy. Planets were named after him. Great universities, cities.

     

    Now, why would that be the case if Cochrane only invented warp drive for Earth?

    If you can think of an explanation, let me know, but I probably won’t buy it.

     

    (There’s also a somewhat side-reference in the episode “Court Martial”:

    KIRK: Timothy, I haven’t seen you since the Vulcanian expedition.

    Why would there be a “Vulcanian expedition” if the Vulcans first came to Earth ~200 years earlier?)

    At most you’re talking about first to discover warp drive, not the first space-faring race. And even that might be a human centric view. The known galaxy mentioned might well be Federation Space. There is every reason to believe that when humanity reached the stars they found other space-faring races already waiting for them.

    Space-faring without some kind of warp drive is kinda nothing, when you really think about it. Without some kind of FTL technology, you’re pretty much limited to a solar system. Anything else you might try is going to take decades at minimum, and perhaps several generations. Yes, theoretically such things could be attempted, but it wouldn’t surprise me if the failure right is close to or right at 100%.

    Who says they didn’t have faster than light? Are you really trying to sell me on the idea that the Romulans and Klingons never colonized a single world until after we gave them warp drive?

    Sorry. No sale.

    Not saying we gave it to them, but they could easily have stolen it, or bought it from someone who shouldn’t have sold it to them…  Remember, in TOS terms warp drive had existed for ~200 years.  Plenty of time for the Klingons to steal it and build an empire.  Also, the Romulans didn’t have warp drive at the start of TOS, until they started using Klingon ship designs.  (Which was apparently just a cover for the Romulan ship models having been lost or broken, or something.)

    There are also some references in TOS and later shows that many – perhaps most – of the great battles celebrated by the Klingon Empire did not involve space at all, but were just ground battles between different factions of Klingons.  Also, Klingon society does not respect scientists.  It’s more likely that Klingons boarded a ship from Earth or some other world, like the “mirror universe” Zefram Cochrane in the Enterprise series retcon.  It seems unlikely to me that Klingons would even have interplanetary travel on their own.

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  17. DrewInWisconsin, Oik! Member
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    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    The weirdest thing about that video clip above with the woman reacting to Close Encounters is that she said she was watching the movie on a 13-inch laptop.

    WHY!?

    Why would you do that? What good is progress made in ever-larger (and ever-cheaper) television screens if you end up watching a glorious movie on a 13-inch laptop?

    These are the dark ages, man.

    Because that’s what she had. She went to war with the army she had. A laptop to watch movies and edit her videos on, and a cell phone to film her videos. She didnt wait to buy all the best cameras and sound equipment – she decided she was going to do it, and did it.

    No problem about filming herself with a phone and a laptop. What I want to know is why watch the movie on a laptop. That’s not necessary for the filming and editing of her YouTube videos.

    Because shes filming with her phone she has to go to the room with the best ambient noise levels. I think she said was filming many of her early reactions in the closet the 2nd bedroom …

    Ugh. I’m not sure I’m communicating properly.

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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    The weirdest thing about that video clip above with the woman reacting to Close Encounters is that she said she was watching the movie on a 13-inch laptop.

    WHY!?

    Why would you do that? What good is progress made in ever-larger (and ever-cheaper) television screens if you end up watching a glorious movie on a 13-inch laptop?

    These are the dark ages, man.

    Because that’s what she had. She went to war with the army she had. A laptop to watch movies and edit her videos on, and a cell phone to film her videos. She didnt wait to buy all the best cameras and sound equipment – she decided she was going to do it, and did it.

    No problem about filming herself with a phone and a laptop. What I want to know is why watch the movie on a laptop. That’s not necessary for the filming and editing of her YouTube videos.

    Because shes filming with her phone she has to go to the room with the best ambient noise levels. I think she said was filming many of her early reactions in the closet the 2nd bedroom …

    Ugh. I’m not sure I’m communicating properly.

    Yes, I get it. She watched a movie designed for a movie theater on a laptop…

    One of her things, is that you accomplish things by trying things.  I am just saying why she was doing it in a sub-optimal way.

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  19. James Lileks Contributor
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    Gary McVey (View Comment):
    (Paul Schrader wrote the first version, which Spielberg heavily rewrote. 

    In Schrader’s version, the aliens land in Times Square and sneer “you singin’ to me?”

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  20. The Girlie Show Member
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    Gary McVey (View Comment):
    Agreed. And the cross-currents of the 70s continue: the producers of Taxi Driver, Michael and Julia Phillips, were the producers of Close Encounters of the Third Kind. Scorsese’s favorite editor at that time, Marcia Lucas, was delayed by Marty’s work, on Taxi Driver and on New York, New York, making her late in the game to sigh, shake her head, and save her husband’s undisciplined science fiction film. 

    It’s interesting that editing is one area of filmmaking, outside of acting, where women have played a prominent role for decades. The one theory I heard was that good editing is the kind that goes unnoticed. Unlike the director, DP, actors, or composers, you’re not supposed to notice the editor’s work (things have changed over the years, but that’s still true of 99% of movies). I’m not sure, though. There are other positions, like foley artist that you don’t notice unless they screw up.

    Interesting to think about.

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    In fact, if it is broadcast, licenses often limit the number of showings of a title. For example, a broadcaster might get the rights for 6 months or five broadcasts, whichever comes first.

    That was my first point, that whoever now owns CE3K might value it too highly now.

    It is probably valued just more highly than those who would want to pay for it. The market needs to clear.

    Only $2.99 to rent https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B00AFFFHA8/ref=atv_dp_share_cu_r

    That seems to be only the original theatrical version, and you can only watch it once within 48 hours.

    Please, don’t be obtuse. I wrote “rent” so what do you expect?

    All the versions are available and you can buy them for about $15.

    If you “rent” a book from the library, do they limit how many times you can read it?

    And when you get DVDs from Netflix, they don’t limit how many times you watch them either.

    I am sure that if Netflix could charge you for each watch, they would.

    And if you don’t want to pay $2.99 to rent it, don’t.

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  22. James Lileks Contributor
    James Lileks
    @jameslileks

    kedavis (View Comment):
    The dome from Silent Running (an all-time favorite movie by the way, I did a “book report” presentation from the novelization in jr high)

    I loved in in jr high, too. But have you watched “Space Jesus and the Adventures of the Robot Forest Gnomes” lately? The sci-fi parts are interesting, the droids a foretaste of all the R2D2s to come, and the real-world branding gave it that “2001” touch of authenticity, but man, it’s self-righteous hippie dreck. Our hero is literally named FREE MAN, and Joan Baez sings as he tends the holy shoots of green. At least it has a PDQ Bach score, so there’s that. 

    I loved in in jr high, too. But 

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  23. The Girlie Show Member
    The Girlie Show
    @CatIII

    Gary McVey (View Comment):

    The Girlie Show (View Comment):

    I do remember Blockbuster. I don’t miss it.

    A 100% reasonable response, viewed from today’s media universe. By the standards of any decade before, say, 2010, it is so satiated it resembles Futurama’s Hedonism Bot.

    From the viewpoint of, say, 1976 or so, imagine that you’re a federal planner (okay, okay, work with me here) who is aware that film history has just become a fashionably important partner of American history, and also, in the very near future all sorts of things will be available on discs and cassettes. Imagine your task is to establish a nationwide chain of specialized video libraries, where for a very nominal fee you could rent film of any era, any taste, any languages. You’d need thousands of them, located where they’d be most used. Each one would have a standardized repertory of accepted, agreed-on film classics and popular successes, constantly updated. Could any of us imagine that the state could or would have done it better than Blockbuster? No, that’s not even a joke. All of us know the answer. In effect, they created a world that outgrew it.

    Blockbuster was fine for its time. I don’t propose there was a better alternative pre-streaming; I just think nostalgia for it is silly.

    I’m using Blockbuster as a stand-in for movie rental stores in general. Blockbuster was strict with the content of the movies they’d rent out, so you were often better off with one of the mom and pop stores.

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  24. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    The Girlie Show (View Comment):

    Gary McVey (View Comment):

    The Girlie Show (View Comment):

    I do remember Blockbuster. I don’t miss it.

    A 100% reasonable response, viewed from today’s media universe. By the standards of any decade before, say, 2010, it is so satiated it resembles Futurama’s Hedonism Bot.

    From the viewpoint of, say, 1976 or so, imagine that you’re a federal planner (okay, okay, work with me here) who is aware that film history has just become a fashionably important partner of American history, and also, in the very near future all sorts of things will be available on discs and cassettes. Imagine your task is to establish a nationwide chain of specialized video libraries, where for a very nominal fee you could rent film of any era, any taste, any languages. You’d need thousands of them, located where they’d be most used. Each one would have a standardized repertory of accepted, agreed-on film classics and popular successes, constantly updated. Could any of us imagine that the state could or would have done it better than Blockbuster? No, that’s not even a joke. All of us know the answer. In effect, they created a world that outgrew it.

    Blockbuster was fine for its time. I don’t propose there was a better alternative pre-streaming; I just think nostalgia for it is silly.

    I’m using Blockbuster as a stand-in for movie rental stores in general. Blockbuster was strict with the content of the movies they’d rent out, so you were often better off with one of the mom and pop stores.

    So you were kind of a Missy Cooper?  :-)

     

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  25. Bartholomew Xerxes Ogilvie, Jr. Coolidge
    Bartholomew Xerxes Ogilvie, Jr.
    @BartholomewXerxesOgilvieJr

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    I loved in in jr high, too. But have you watched “Space Jesus and the Adventures of the Robot Forest Gnomes” lately? The sci-fi parts are interesting, the droids a foretaste of all the R2D2s to come, and the real-world branding gave it that “2001” touch of authenticity, but man, it’s self-righteous hippie dreck. Our hero is literally named FREE MAN, and Joan Baez sings as he tends the holy shoots of green. At least it has a PDQ Bach score, so there’s that.

    We loved Silent Running before 1977 because what the hell else did we have? Anything that was science fiction, especially if it had decent visual effects, was on heavy rotation in my childhood. Not because they were great, but because we were starved for SF.

    Silent Running still has great visual effects, and the drones were cool. The film fails on almost every other level, starting with a story that makes absolutely no sense. Why was Earth deforested? If the forests could be sustained in self-contained domes, why was it necessary to send them into orbit around Saturn? When it was decided not to continue maintaining them, why was it necessary to blow them up?

    Answer: because the script said so.

     

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  26. Hank Rhody is the Zodiac Killer Member
    Hank Rhody is the Zodiac Killer
    @Misthiocracy

    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Yes, but Star Trek started out as a humans-first storyline, and there was no real need to change it. Not EVERY storyline of EVERY TV series or movie, has to be Earth as “new kid on the block.” If anything, Star Trek was one of the few that didn’t. (Although people often seem to forget that everything cool about Star Trek comes AFTER – and arguably BECAUSE OF – World War 3.)

     

    I only know TOS and the TNG movies, but I don’t remember humans first ever being an explicit thing. Did it come later?

    It’s based on what Spock said in the TOS episode “Metamorphosis” where they find the long-thought-dead Zefram Cochrane.

     

    SPOCK: The name of Zefram Cochrane is revered throughout the known galaxy. Planets were named after him. Great universities, cities.

     

    Now, why would that be the case if Cochrane only invented warp drive for Earth?

    If you can think of an explanation, let me know, but I probably won’t buy it.

     

    (There’s also a somewhat side-reference in the episode “Court Martial”:

    KIRK: Timothy, I haven’t seen you since the Vulcanian expedition.

    Why would there be a “Vulcanian expedition” if the Vulcans first came to Earth ~200 years earlier?)

    At most you’re talking about first to discover warp drive, not the first space-faring race. And even that might be a human centric view. The known galaxy mentioned might well be Federation Space. There is every reason to believe that when humanity reached the stars they found other space-faring races already waiting for them.

    Space-faring without some kind of warp drive is kinda nothing, when you really think about it. Without some kind of FTL technology, you’re pretty much limited to a solar system. Anything else you might try is going to take decades at minimum, and perhaps several generations. Yes, theoretically such things could be attempted, but it wouldn’t surprise me if the failure right is close to or right at 100%.

    Who says they didn’t have faster than light? Are you really trying to sell me on the idea that the Romulans and Klingons never colonized a single world until after we gave them warp drive?

    Sorry. No sale.

    If the Ancient Bajorans could made it to Cardassia with nothing but a light-sail…

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  27. Gary McVey Contributor
    Gary McVey
    @GaryMcVey

    Bartholomew Xerxes Ogilvie, Jr. (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    I loved in in jr high, too. But have you watched “Space Jesus and the Adventures of the Robot Forest Gnomes” lately? The sci-fi parts are interesting, the droids a foretaste of all the R2D2s to come, and the real-world branding gave it that “2001” touch of authenticity, but man, it’s self-righteous hippie dreck. Our hero is literally named FREE MAN, and Joan Baez sings as he tends the holy shoots of green. At least it has a PDQ Bach score, so there’s that.

    We loved Silent Running before 1977 because what the hell else did we have? Anything that was science fiction, especially if it had decent visual effects, was on heavy rotation in my childhood. Not because they were great, but because we were starved for SF.

    Silent Running still has great visual effects, and the drones were cool. The film fails on almost every other level, starting with a story that makes absolutely no sense. Why was Earth deforested? If the forests could be sustained in self-contained domes, why was it necessary to send them into orbit around Saturn? When it was decided not to continue maintaining them, why was it necessary to blow them up?

    Answer: because the script said so.

     

    Unfortunately, Trumbull had a weakness for portraying the military as a bunch of slack-jawed morons who had nothing better to do than acting like cartoon villains. This was also true in Brainstorm. Yep, it made no sense whatsoever to blow up the domes. Why? 

    I am, or was, a New Yorker, but I have always intensely disliked using a southern accent to denote ignorance. The ground controllers in Silent Running come across like a bad parody of citizen’s band radio. 

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  28. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Bartholomew Xerxes Ogilvie, Jr. (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    I loved in in jr high, too. But have you watched “Space Jesus and the Adventures of the Robot Forest Gnomes” lately? The sci-fi parts are interesting, the droids a foretaste of all the R2D2s to come, and the real-world branding gave it that “2001” touch of authenticity, but man, it’s self-righteous hippie dreck. Our hero is literally named FREE MAN, and Joan Baez sings as he tends the holy shoots of green. At least it has a PDQ Bach score, so there’s that.

    We loved Silent Running before 1977 because what the hell else did we have? Anything that was science fiction, especially if it had decent visual effects, was on heavy rotation in my childhood. Not because they were great, but because we were starved for SF.

    Silent Running still has great visual effects, and the drones were cool. The film fails on almost every other level, starting with a story that makes absolutely no sense. Why was Earth deforested? If the forests could be sustained in self-contained domes, why was it necessary to send them into orbit around Saturn? When it was decided not to continue maintaining them, why was it necessary to blow them up?

    Answer: because the script said so.

     

    I usually go with Because Plot/Because Drama.

    Also, why were they using interplanetary spaceships to do something like cargo service from place to place apparently on Earth?

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  29. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Hank Rhody is the Zodiac Killer (View Comment):

    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Yes, but Star Trek started out as a humans-first storyline, and there was no real need to change it. Not EVERY storyline of EVERY TV series or movie, has to be Earth as “new kid on the block.” If anything, Star Trek was one of the few that didn’t. (Although people often seem to forget that everything cool about Star Trek comes AFTER – and arguably BECAUSE OF – World War 3.)

     

    I only know TOS and the TNG movies, but I don’t remember humans first ever being an explicit thing. Did it come later?

    It’s based on what Spock said in the TOS episode “Metamorphosis” where they find the long-thought-dead Zefram Cochrane.

     

    SPOCK: The name of Zefram Cochrane is revered throughout the known galaxy. Planets were named after him. Great universities, cities.

     

    Now, why would that be the case if Cochrane only invented warp drive for Earth?

    If you can think of an explanation, let me know, but I probably won’t buy it.

     

    (There’s also a somewhat side-reference in the episode “Court Martial”:

    KIRK: Timothy, I haven’t seen you since the Vulcanian expedition.

    Why would there be a “Vulcanian expedition” if the Vulcans first came to Earth ~200 years earlier?)

    At most you’re talking about first to discover warp drive, not the first space-faring race. And even that might be a human centric view. The known galaxy mentioned might well be Federation Space. There is every reason to believe that when humanity reached the stars they found other space-faring races already waiting for them.

    Space-faring without some kind of warp drive is kinda nothing, when you really think about it. Without some kind of FTL technology, you’re pretty much limited to a solar system. Anything else you might try is going to take decades at minimum, and perhaps several generations. Yes, theoretically such things could be attempted, but it wouldn’t surprise me if the failure right is close to or right at 100%.

    Who says they didn’t have faster than light? Are you really trying to sell me on the idea that the Romulans and Klingons never colonized a single world until after we gave them warp drive?

    Sorry. No sale.

    If the Ancient Bajorans could made it to Cardassia with nothing but a light-sail…

    Of course, that’s just it:  They couldn’t.  I’ve dismantled that episode in other places too, including the imdb page for it.

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  30. DrewInWisconsin, Oik! Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oik!
    @DrewInWisconsin

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Hank Rhody is the Zodiac Killer (View Comment):

    If the Ancient Bajorans could made it to Cardassia with nothing but a light-sail…

    Of course, that’s just it: They couldn’t. I’ve dismantled that episode in other places too, including the imdb page for it.

    Stop picking on an episode I like! >:(=)

     

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