Who’s Running the “Dump Biden” Project?

 

It is now apparent that the oligarchy has authorized the truth about Hunter Biden, and hence “the Big Guy”, to come out. One can see the end game: no re-election campaign for sure, but resignation a real possibility.

The key is timing. Is there any reason why the MSM acknowledgement of the truth that they buried could not remain buried? They still haven’t done an expose on the Russia hoax and various other slanders. Even the Durham investigation isn’t stampeding them. So it doesn’t seem that the timing is designed to get out in front of something momentous. It just seems that somebody has a plan that has been put into effect.

I would love to know when the plan calls for the big shells to land? Do they think jettisoning Biden saves a November shellacking? Or is it a post-shellacking strategy to improve Democrat fortunes for 2024?

Where is Kamala in this plan? She is a horrible front-person for the oligarchy. But is she any worse than Joe? Will she be more scriptable even if publicly sub-banal? If not, is the real game to get Nancy into 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue? I love the spy drama feel of such a plan, but it assumes an end date before the next Congress is seated.

Or is the plan simply to signal that progressive control of the Democratic Party is at an end. The oligarchy cut a deal to use Joe, keep Nancy, but adopt Bernie’s agenda. That hasn’t worked out too well. The oligarchy may have concluded that creative destruction is in order to pull back from the Bernie deal. Sending Joe packing, letting Kamala become even more unimpressive by personifying the Peter principle on the largest stage, letting Nancy retire with her ill-gained loot may be the price for rebalancing the party. Clearing out the dead and dying wood for 2024.

I guess we’ll just have to watch what Newsom does in California to see if a serious political retrenchment is underway. Or maybe there is no oligarchy — just chaos.

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  1. DrewInWisconsin, Oik! Member
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    I suppose it’s possible they’ve got a plan to dump him, but I don’t think it’ll be until they achieve their desired regime change in Russia, or we’re all living in a nuclear wasteland. One of those two things has to happen first.

    Anyway, I think what we really need to look for next are cabinet members making noises about invoking the 25th. And so far they seem about as bright as Kamala (and about as impressive).

    What I’d like to know is how we can dump the whole Biden administration with one swoop. But that would probably involve the nuclear wasteland scenario I mentioned above.

    Uh oh . . .

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  2. Dr. Bastiat Member
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    Rodin: Or maybe there is no oligarchy — just chaos.

    This is a very real possibility that is often over-looked.

    Perhaps the reason that Biden’s “handlers” are doing such a poor job is that they don’t exist.  Perhaps Joe Biden really is in charge.

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  3. Dr. Bastiat Member
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    Rodin: It is now apparent that the oligarchy has authorized the truth about Hunter Biden, and hence “the Big Guy”, to come out.

    I’m not sure about this.  I don’t see how this helps anyone on the left.  

    I also don’t see why anyone on the left would be displeased with Joe Biden.  He’s been extremely effective at getting the leftists’ wish list enacted on one policy after another – energy policy, domestic spending programs, racial relations, educational policies, tax initiatives, and on and on and on. 

    They’re getting everything they want – why would they be upset?  I would think that many Democrats who weren’t quite sure about Biden before must be very happy with him now.

    So I don’t understand why anyone on the left would want Biden out.  From their perspective, he’s doing a great job.

    I could be wrong, of course.  You may very well be correct.

    But I don’t understand why the left would intentionally hurt Biden in any way.  He’s doing great, from their point of view.

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  4. JoelB Member
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    Biden is apparently becoming more incompetent and less manageable by the day. The more he is in the public eye, the less competent he looks. Harris might be sub-optimal from the Democrat perspective, but if necessary, I think she could stick to the script. Beyond that, I don’t know.

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  5. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    I tend to believe Biden has handlers. We’d probably be in a war by now if they didn’t try to control him. Besides, he alluded to handlers when he’d say “they” were telling him to do something or not do something. Pathetic.

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  6. DrewInWisconsin, Oik! Member
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    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    I also don’t see why anyone on the left would be displeased with Joe Biden.  He’s been extremely effective at getting the leftists’ wish list enacted on one policy after another – energy policy, domestic spending programs, racial relations, educational policies, tax initiatives, and on and on and on. 

    They’re getting everything they want – why would they be upset?  I would think that many Democrats who weren’t quite sure about Biden before must be very happy with him now.

    So I don’t understand why anyone on the left would want Biden out.  From their perspective, he’s doing a great job.

    I think the difference is between the shadowy leftist handlers in the bureaucratic state who cannot be voted out of office, and the elected Democrats who must survive each election. The elected ones see their gravy train being derailed with every ridiculous action of the Biden administration. The midterms are coming up and they’re terrified. The bureaucrats are pleased, because they want things as far left as possible. The midterms give them no fear at all.

    So it’s possible we have those two factions in contention: unelected bureaucrats (far left/Marxist), elected Democrats (unprincipled leftists, but relatively toothless when compared to the bureaucrats).

    And then add in a third faction: globalist oligarchs. I am certain that we’ll get whatever the oligarchs want. If they want Biden gone, he’ll be gone. For now, he’s doing what they need him to do: war, famine, pestilence, death.

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  7. Nohaaj Coolidge
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    JoelB (View Comment):
    but if necessary, I think she could stick to the script.

    LOL, perhaps she needs better script writers. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/say-what-kamala-harris-tosses-word-salad-after-meeting-jamaican-prime-minister

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  8. Postmodern Hoplite Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):
    Anyway, I think what we really need to look for next are cabinet members making noises about invoking the 25th. And so far they seem about as bright as Kamala (and about as impressive).

    Maybe…but I don’t think any of them are going to get out in front of this and be the first. Don’t forget: they may be dumb as a box o’ rocks, but they’re also cowardly!

    I was wrong about the time frame (I thought the 25A would have been implemented by Nov ’21.) But I still think it’s a real possibility. Harris just turned out to be worse than anyone imagined, and that has thrown the timeline off. I think the Democratic power brokers will prep the ground in Congress first, next approach Harris, and then the dominoes will start to drop.

    I think…

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  9. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Rodin: I would love to know when the plan calls for the big shells to land? Do they think jettisoning Biden saves a November shellacking? Or is it a post-shellacking strategy to improve Democrat fortunes for 2024?

    I think it’s the latter. The Left plays the long game and is willing to take some early losses (midterms) for the ultimate win. Yes, they like the way policy is going, but Biden is such an embarrassment that he threatens the Left’s ability to retain the ground they’ve captured so far (see parents at school board meetings and Disney and gas prices and looming WWIII (even the Europeans are appalled by lefty-Joe!). . .). Once he’s served his purpose (getting rid of Trump) and the costs outweigh the “benefits,” he’s gone. 

    And I think a better term rather than “handlers” would be minders. Joe Biden has minders — mostly from the Obama administration since the Clintons have been made a joke by Donald Trump and their own repulsiveness. 

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  10. Dave of Barsham Member
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    Postmodern Hoplite (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):
    Anyway, I think what we really need to look for next are cabinet members making noises about invoking the 25th. And so far they seem about as bright as Kamala (and about as impressive).

    Maybe…but I don’t think any of them are going to get out in front of this and be the first. Don’t forget: they may be dumb as a box o’ rocks, but they’re also cowardly!

    I was wrong about the time frame (I thought the 25A would have been implemented by Nov ’21.) But I still think it’s a real possibility. Harris just turned out to be worse than anyone imagined, and that has thrown the timeline off. I think the Democratic power brokers will prep the ground in Congress first, next approach Harris, and then the dominoes will start to drop.

    I think…

    Whatever mechanizations that are going on behind the curtain, the only “clean” out for them in terms of Biden’s mental decline would be to find a way to get Harris out first, replace her with a competent VP (both of which would have to take place before before next Jan) and then remove/resign Biden.

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  11. DrewInWisconsin, Oik! Member
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  12. MarciN Member
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    I wonder how much of Biden’s election support actually came from disaffected Never Trump voters. Were they enough to swing the Democrats into office, minus the fraud that also occurred? Is it the Never Trump contingent that is turning on the Biden family?

    In 2016, the voters expressed a great deal of anger at the Democrats–Republicans took the House, the Senate, the presidency, and several governorships and state legislatures. Those Republican voters are still out there. But since then, we’ve lost the Senate and the presidency and the House. Are these losses the effects of immigration? Deaths of boomers? Are fewer people voting because they are disgusted with everyone and everything?

    The politics of the last five years don’t make sense to me.

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  13. DrewInWisconsin, Oik! Member
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    MarciN (View Comment):
    I wonder how much of Biden’s election support actually came from disaffected Never Trump voters. Were they enough to swing the Democrats into office, minus the fraud that also occurred?

    The Lincoln Project/Bulwark types insist that they were the ones who did it. Initially they were pissed off that the media refused to credit them for Biden’s ‘win.’ Now I think they’d rather not take credit.

    But I won’t let them forget their role.

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  14. The Great Adventure Inactive
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    I tend to go with a much simpler explanation.  Joe is President.  Even if he wants to, nobody – even those on the left – wants him running for reelection in 2024.  So he has an expiration date.  But as President he also has the power to grant pardons.  Get all of the Huntergate stuff out on the table, get indictments against him, let that all roll on until January 2025.  Then Daddy grants him a pardon on the way out the door while he staggers into the Delaware surf and the Dems can just forget about both of them.

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  15. Dave of Barsham Member
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    The Great Adventure (View Comment):

    I tend to go with a much simpler explanation. Joe is President. Even if he wants to, nobody – even those on the left – wants him running for reelection in 2024. So he has an expiration date. But as President he also has the power to grant pardons. Get all of the Huntergate stuff out on the table, get indictments against him, let that all roll on until January 2025. Then Daddy grants him a pardon on the way out the door while he staggers into the Delaware surf and the Dems can just forget about both of them.

    I hadn’t even thought about that. Have we ever had a President pardon a close relative like that?

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  16. Bob Thompson Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    So it’s possible we have those two factions in contention: unelected bureaucrats (far left/Marxist), elected Democrats (unprincipled leftists, but relatively toothless when compared to the bureaucrats).

    And then add in a third faction: globalist oligarchs. I am certain that we’ll get whatever the oligarchs want. If they want Biden gone, he’ll be gone. For now, he’s doing what they need him to do: war, famine, pestilence, death.

    This could explain somewhat the perception of chaos. The nature of the bureaucracy has not changed but there has been a change with respect to the law and the Constitution mainly manifesting in the most critical federal departments, specifically, State, Defense, Justice, and the Intelligence  Agencies. Couple this with what we have seen from Pelosi, she hasn’t been toothless, following the Jan 6 protests and the management of the federal city since then. 

    What is really difficult to figure out is how much actual coordination might be there and who the principal leaders are, whether in government, media, tech or other corporative. It is impressive how difficult the structure the Founders established has made a complete takeover of our Republic even when they have all the marbles.

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  17. Hang On 🚫 Banned
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    I don’t think they are trying to pull the rug out from under Brandon at all. I think it’s a matter of they realize that Hunter may be indicted very shortly and are doing everything they can to cacoon Brandon from the fallout. There is no mention of Brandon in any of what the NYT, the WaPo or CNN are releasing about the laptop. It’s all on Hunter.

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  18. DrewInWisconsin, Oik! Member
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    EDIT: Oops. Wrong thread. Though Rachmaninoff’s Vespers might be appropriate listening anyway.

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  19. Franco 🚫 Banned
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    All good questions. They may well be pivoting to Republicans like a Mitt Romney. He’d be perfect for them. Clearly Romney is positioning himself for the Deep State caucus. They are powerful and can help one candidate and hurt his opponent as we’ve seen.

    They aren’t especially ideological, but they can’t stand any candidate who will take even a small bite out of their power. Notice what happens on both sides. What they did to Bernie (I’m not a fan) look at how they deal with Democrat Tulsi Gabbard. And of course Trump and MAGA supporters. 

    The MSM is how they get the ball rolling. The WaPo is notorious for being a deep state vehicle for messaging.

    They could well be afraid that Biden is off the reservation. Not that he’s opposed to them at all, but that he will do what he’s always done. He can easily derail their plans and goals just by accident, as we have seen. As Obama said, “never underestimate Joe’s ability to (screw) things up” and they have their own sense of patriotism that prevails over partisanship – unless you question their power, then it’s gloves off.

    Kamala will do for these people, but Democrats want to win, and they can’t win 2024 with Kamala, so they have a real problem, and someone will need to broker a deal. 

    Nothing will take place until they have a plan.

    I am not as conspiratorial as this comment suggests. I don’t think they have a central planning committee, but these things tend to coalesce. A flock of birds or a school of fish don’t have planning committees either.

    Biden will not be removed (save more dementia gaffs) until after the mid-terms, and maybe they will allow Republicans to impeach him quickly and easily.

    Remember whoever comes to you with this Barzini meeting, he’s the traitor.

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  20. DrewInWisconsin, Oik! Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    So it’s possible we have those two factions in contention: unelected bureaucrats (far left/Marxist), elected Democrats (unprincipled leftists, but relatively toothless when compared to the bureaucrats).

    And then add in a third faction: globalist oligarchs. I am certain that we’ll get whatever the oligarchs want. If they want Biden gone, he’ll be gone. For now, he’s doing what they need him to do: war, famine, pestilence, death.

    This could explain somewhat the perception of chaos. The nature of the bureaucracy has not changed but there has been a change with respect to the law and the Constitution mainly manifesting in the most critical federal departments, specifically, State, Defense, Justice, and the Intelligence Agencies. Couple this with what we have seen from Pelosi, she hasn’t been toothless, following the Jan 6 protests and the management of the federal city since then.

    What is really difficult to figure out is how much actual coordination might be there and who the principal leaders are, whether in government, media, tech or other corporative. It is impressive how difficult the structure the Founders established has made a complete takeover of our Republic even when they have all the marbles.

    You’re right. Pelosi isn’t toothless. But she’s in such a safe seat she never feels any threat that she won’t be voted out of office. So in a sense, she operates with the assurance of bureaucrat.

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  21. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    Dave of Barsham (View Comment):

    Whatever mechanizations that are going on behind the curtain, the only “clean” out for them in terms of Biden’s mental decline would be to find a way to get Harris out first, replace her with a competent VP (both of which would have to take place before before next Jan) and then remove/resign Biden.

    That is what the Mayor Pete fan club believe is the way forward.  

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  22. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):
    I wonder how much of Biden’s election support actually came from disaffected Never Trump voters. Were they enough to swing the Democrats into office, minus the fraud that also occurred?

    The Lincoln Project/Bulwark types insist that they were the ones who did it. Initially they were pissed off that the media refused to credit them for Biden’s ‘win.’ Now I think they’d rather not take credit.

    But I won’t let them forget their role.

    The NTs main success was to discourage some R voters from going to the polls and to validate the Dems’ sense of moral superiority.  

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  23. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    Don’t see any of that.  Looks to me they just want to throw this out and put it to bed before Biden runs for reelection.  By then this will be old news and all the cover stories in place and all investigation returned back ok or inconclusive.  Biden is not going anywhere unless he decides to stop breathing on his own.   

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  24. Dave of Barsham Member
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    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    Dave of Barsham (View Comment):

    Whatever mechanizations that are going on behind the curtain, the only “clean” out for them in terms of Biden’s mental decline would be to find a way to get Harris out first, replace her with a competent VP (both of which would have to take place before before next Jan) and then remove/resign Biden.

    That is what the Mayor Pete fan club believe is the way forward.

    I’m still shocked that that guy has a following, he’s got to be in the top 5 most underwhelming bureaucrats they’ve got.

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  25. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    Dave of Barsham (View Comment):

    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    Dave of Barsham (View Comment):

    Whatever mechanizations that are going on behind the curtain, the only “clean” out for them in terms of Biden’s mental decline would be to find a way to get Harris out first, replace her with a competent VP (both of which would have to take place before before next Jan) and then remove/resign Biden.

    That is what the Mayor Pete fan club believe is the way forward.

    I’m still shocked that that guy has a following, he’s got to be in the top 5 most underwhelming bureaucrats they’ve got.

    He may be many things, but Pete is not a bureaucrat.  

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  26. Seawriter Contributor
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    Postmodern Hoplite (View Comment):
    I was wrong about the time frame (I thought the 25A would have been implemented by Nov ’21.)

    My bet was January 2023 because that would allow Kamala to run for President twice.  I think it is being pushed ahead to limit her to just one potential reelection. The idea of her as President for ten years scares even them.

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  27. Dave of Barsham Member
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    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    Dave of Barsham (View Comment):

    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    Dave of Barsham (View Comment):

    Whatever mechanizations that are going on behind the curtain, the only “clean” out for them in terms of Biden’s mental decline would be to find a way to get Harris out first, replace her with a competent VP (both of which would have to take place before before next Jan) and then remove/resign Biden.

    That is what the Mayor Pete fan club believe is the way forward.

    I’m still shocked that that guy has a following, he’s got to be in the top 5 most underwhelming bureaucrats they’ve got.

    He may be many things, but Pete is not a bureaucrat.

    I’m open to other classifications, but what else do you call a guy who gets appointed to an office he can’t run and takes a bunch of time off when he’s really needed? 

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  28. DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) Coolidge
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    Don’t see any of that. Looks to me they just want to throw this out and put it to bed before Biden runs for reelection. By then this will be old news and all the cover stories in place and all investigation returned back ok or inconclusive. Biden is not going anywhere unless he decides to stop breathing on his own.

    This is the proper level of cynicism.  By time we get to July, the media will have embraced “old news” for any scandal and the “fact check” groups will have debunked a bunch of variations on the truth, so that Big Tech can hide the dirt.  Anyone trying to push any scandal will be labeled a Q-anon Russian stooge.  Any organized protest will be crushed by the FBI/DOJ.

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  29. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    Dave of Barsham (View Comment):

    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    Dave of Barsham (View Comment):

    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    Dave of Barsham (View Comment):

    Whatever mechanizations that are going on behind the curtain, the only “clean” out for them in terms of Biden’s mental decline would be to find a way to get Harris out first, replace her with a competent VP (both of which would have to take place before before next Jan) and then remove/resign Biden.

    That is what the Mayor Pete fan club believe is the way forward.

    I’m still shocked that that guy has a following, he’s got to be in the top 5 most underwhelming bureaucrats they’ve got.

    He may be many things, but Pete is not a bureaucrat.

    I’m open to other classifications, but what else do you call a guy who gets appointed to an office he can’t run and takes a bunch of time off when he’s really needed?

    Keep track of his calendar, especially his travel.  He is playing the long game on his road to the White House.  Also pay attention to his rhetoric.  

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  30. cdor Member
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    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Rodin: Or maybe there is no oligarchy — just chaos.

    This is a very real possibility that is often over-looked.

    Perhaps the reason that Biden’s “handlers” are doing such a poor job is that they don’t exist. Perhaps Joe Biden really is in charge.

    OMG!

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