Another Church with a Shameful Attitude

 

I’m in New York City for the first time in two years. Went with my wife to St. Thomas Episcopalian Church for the 4 p.m. Festival of Nine Lessons and Carols. Have frequently attended Evensong in the past.

Well, that’s the last time I’ll attend this church. They might as well have a statue of Baal in front of it. It’s one thing for the thuggish mayor to require vaccination to eat at a restaurant, but for a church to require it is a capitulation to darkness.

In the Roman Empire, people were impressed when Christians ministered to the sick. Now they require people with natural immunity to take the jab which is dangerous for young men but provides little or no protection to others.

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  1. RightAngles Member
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    I’ve seen this behavior in the Episcopalians.  And when we lived in Michigan, the local United Methodist Church showed women where to go for abortions. One weekend a group of their women came up from Chicago, I think it was, and spent the weekend in the Upper Peninsula running around the forest topless and worshiping “Christa.”  I don’t know if there’s one single institution of Western culture the Left  hasn’t poisoned.

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  2. CACrabtree Coolidge
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    RightAngles (View Comment):

    I’ve seen this behavior in the Episcopalians. And when we lived in Michigan, the local United Methodist Church showed women where to go for abortions. One weekend a group of their women came up from Chicago, I think it was, and spent the weekend in the Upper Peninsula running around the forest topless and worshiping “Christa.” I don’t know if there’s one single institution of Western culture the Left hasn’t poisoned.

    Yeah, I heard one conservative refer to to the Episcopal Church as being “tolerant to the point of incoherence”.  But what can we expect from a church which elected an openly gay bishop (Gene Robinson) who was installed while his lover beamed his approval?

    Also, we shouldn’t forget the immortal Bishop Katharine Jefferts-Schori when she contrasted Episcopalian families to Catholic (and Mormon) families by stating that Episcopalians were more interested in “quality” not “quantity”.

    I’m not a bit surprised that they’re further limiting their church attendence; they’ve been doing it for the last 30 or 40 years.

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  3. Steve Fast Member
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    Remember when Jesus touched the lepers without requiring proof of vaccination? They have forgotten that the purpose of the church is to minister to sinners, not to provide song services.

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  4. Vince Guerra Inactive
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    It’s reprehensible but at least they tell you right up front which god they worship. I have far greater anger reserved for churches that bury their heresy under layers of fence-sitting vagaries and seeker friendly, safe messages. 

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  5. hoowitts Coolidge
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    Sad. Just so sad. We are, in a great many respects, defined by what we tolerate. This has sadly lost influence over most of the institutional church, which was never meant to be an institution but a body of Christ. A body that lives, breathes, walks, suffers, celebrates, serves and loves the ‘least and the lost’. It’s the battle from the beginning of time – will the world hold sway over us or will the G-d’s influence light the way for mankind.

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  6. BDB Inactive
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    Was Jesus vaccinated when He saved Pearl Harbor?  NO!

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  7. RightAngles Member
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    Once when I went down to Houston to visit my mom, she took us to her country club for lunch. As we approached the dining room, she said, “We’ll sit at the Methodist table. That table over there is the Episcopalian table. You can tell because they smoke and drink” hahaha

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  8. RyanFalcone Member
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    We keep retreating behind our own institutions and they keep infiltrating and destroying them. I guess it is the way of the world and Satan’s fleshly trap for man-kind.

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  9. Doug Kimball Thatcher
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    These churches are dying demographically.  Their membership includes a vast majority of the old and infirm; that is those most susceptible to the virus.  They view these measures as necessary otherwise their parishioners will stay home.  The church certainly doesn’t want to be accused of hosting weekly mega-spreader events.  Of course, those most concerned are vaxxed, boosted and double masked.  It’s ridiculous.   

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  10. Buckpasser Member
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    And the sign said:  “No room at the Inn”.

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  11. RightAngles Member
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    Doug Kimball (View Comment):

    These churches are dying demographically. Their membership includes a vast majority of the old and infirm; that is those most susceptible to the virus. They view these measures as necessary otherwise their parishioners will stay home. The church certainly doesn’t want to be accused of hosting weekly mega-spreader events. Of course, those most concerned are vaxxed, boosted and double masked. It’s ridiculous.

    I have long deplored the churches’ attempts to appeal to a wider demographic. It’s not the way. It started with guitar masses and went downhill from there. When we moved to Texas I couldn’t find a single church that didn’t do those horrendous “praise songs” in place of traditional hymns. Not even the Presbyterian church! I want the Doxology and the Gloria Patri,  dangit.

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  12. RightAngles Member
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  13. Full Size Tabby Member
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    What benefit is supposed to be achieved by requiring vaccinations anywhere (let alone a church)? Many “vaccinated” people seem to get Covid (albeit all apparently mild). Although President Biden and some public health officials say that vaccinated people cannot spread Covid, other medical experts (most of whom have more credibility than government officials) say that vaccinated people spread Covid to the same extent as unvaccinated people. If vaccinated people can still get and spread Covid, then it does not matter to the venue whether a patron / attendee / employee is vaccinated. This church is excluding people for no rational reason. 

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  14. Victor Tango Kilo Member
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    You think that’s bad… 

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  15. BDB Inactive
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    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    You think that’s bad…

    That is appalling.

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  16. Unsk Member
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    May God have mercy on their souls, for they know not what they do.  ( and because they are evil) for we all must bow before our new Satanist God, the Great Reset.

    I can’t criticize too much these Episcopalians, for I am a Catholic and have collectivist/Commie for a pope. 

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  17. TBA Coolidge
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    Steve Fast (View Comment):

    Remember when Jesus touched the lepers without requiring proof of vaccination? They have forgotten that the purpose of the church is to minister to sinners, not to provide song services.

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  18. Goldwaterwoman Thatcher
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    RightAngles (View Comment):
    That table over there is the Episcopalian table. You can tell because they smoke and drink” hahaha

    You know what you get when you get four Episcopalians together? A fifth. 😊

    As a lifelong Episcopalian it bugs me to realize what’s happening to our church on a national and international level. But—- please be assured that there are many small congregations out there who ignore the lefties at the very top and still worship in the age-old ways including the traditional hymnal. I’ve attended the same church for 45 years, and we are living evidence of that truth. As one of our dear priests said to me many years ago, “WE are a hospital for sinners, not a museum for saints.”

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  19. Malkadavis Inactive
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    Is the church named for “Doubting” Thomas? As in “I doubt these vaccines are worth a damn so I want you to mask, too”?

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  20. Front Seat Cat Member
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    The Episcopal Church fell off the rails awhile ago – mask wearing being the least of their problems.

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  21. Richard Easton Coolidge
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    Front Seat Cat (View Comment):

    The Episcopal Church fell off the rails awhile ago – mask wearing being the least of their problems.

    They had fine people like J.I. Packer and John Stott but are now largely apostate (with doubtless some faithful churches).

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  22. Steve Fast Member
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    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    You think that’s bad…

    I missed the part where she mentions preaching the Word of God or calling people to repent from their sins.

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  23. CACrabtree Coolidge
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    BDB (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    You think that’s bad…

    That is appalling.

    At least her spouse is named Josh and not Jasmine.

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  24. Gazpacho Grande' Coolidge
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    Is there a local ordinance on gatherings, county or municipal, or statewide?  We have one in Mecklenberg County, North Carolina, so I wonder if they’re going along to get along.

    Not trying to make excuses, seems the pastor is teed up for that kind of thing.  I wonder if they’re putting signs out to keep The Man at arm’s length.

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  25. Amy Schley, Longcat Shrinker Coolidge
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    Gazpacho Grande' (View Comment):

    Is there a local ordinance on gatherings, county or municipal, or statewide? We have one in Mecklenberg County, North Carolina, so I wonder if they’re going along to get along.

    Not trying to make excuses, seems the pastor is teed up for that kind of thing. I wonder if they’re putting signs out to keep The Man at arm’s length.

    All I can say is that my Lutheran church in Mecklenburg County doesn’t bother with signs. A few people come masked, but most don’t bother. And vaccination status isn’t asked about.

    Of course, we often have to clarify that we’re not that kind of Lutheran. 

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  26. Richard Easton Coolidge
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    Gazpacho Grande' (View Comment):

    Is there a local ordinance on gatherings, county or municipal, or statewide? We have one in Mecklenberg County, North Carolina, so I wonder if they’re going along to get along.

    Not trying to make excuses, seems the pastor is teed up for that kind of thing. I wonder if they’re putting signs out to keep The Man at arm’s length.

    My wife went to a church Sunday morning and there were no signs or questions asked about the jab.

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  27. Roderic Coolidge
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    Richard Easton: Now they require people with natural immunity to take the jab which is dangerous for young men but provides little or no protection to others.

    No, it’s not “dangerous” for young men.  There is a very small increased risk.  If they go unvaccinated then when they catch COVID then the risk of side effects of the infection is a lot higher than it is for the vaccine.

    I wear a mask if it’s required at a given venue.  It’s not a big deal.  I’ve always got  a mask stuffed in my pocket along with a dirty handkerchief and crumpled up recipes from Kroger’s.

    As for mandating vaccines, I’m not sure what that is supposed to accomplish.   If you are vaccinated then you are protected, so what do you care what other people do?   If people go without vaccines then they will catch COVID eventually.  It’s inevitable, like the way everyone gets a common cold occasionally.  Then they will be immune, too.

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