I Wouldn’t Exactly Call It a Harbinger of Doom…

 

… but I’ll be damned if I know what else to call it. Supply chain shortages just hit me where I live.

I just bought a brand of bourbon other than my usual, because I’m out of my usual and my liquor store is out of glass bottles of the stuff I drink. They have it in plastic bottles. What man drinks his bourbon out of a plastic bottle?

OK, I don’t drink it out of the bottle. But you get the point.

No, it’s not a catastrophe, but you can see catastrophe from here.

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  1. Hoyacon Member
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    Suspira (View Comment):

    I’m lost here. What’s so terrible–other than aesthetics—with booze in plastic?

    Aesthetics should not be so easily dismissed.  If I want plastic, I’ll have a Coke.

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  2. Chuck Coolidge
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Suspira (View Comment):

    I’m lost here. What’s so terrible–other than aesthetics—with booze in plastic?

    Aesthetics should not be so easily dismissed. If I want plastic, I’ll have a Coke.

    “Say Pepsi, please!” (I am boycotting Coke, forgot why.)

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  3. Henry Racette Member
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    Suspira (View Comment):

    I’m lost here. What’s so terrible–other than aesthetics—with booze in plastic?

    That’s okay, Suspira. I wouldn’t expect a woman to understand.

    The bottle doesn’t clink when it touches the glass.

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  4. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Suspira (View Comment):

    I’m lost here. What’s so terrible–other than aesthetics—with booze in plastic?

    That’s okay, Suspira. I wouldn’t expect a woman to understand.

    The bottle doesn’t clink when it touches the glass.

    Sworn off plastic cups?  

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  5. Percival Thatcher
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Suspira (View Comment):

    I’m lost here. What’s so terrible–other than aesthetics—with booze in plastic?

    That’s okay, Suspira. I wouldn’t expect a woman to understand.

    The bottle doesn’t clink when it touches the glass.

    No, no. It needs a handle you can put your pinkie through to steady it as you raise it with the crook of your arm to take a slash.

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  6. Henry Racette Member
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    Percival (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Suspira (View Comment):

    I’m lost here. What’s so terrible–other than aesthetics—with booze in plastic?

    That’s okay, Suspira. I wouldn’t expect a woman to understand.

    The bottle doesn’t clink when it touches the glass.

    No, no. It needs a handle you can put your pinkie through to steady it as you raise it with the crook of your arm to take a slash.

    You people are barbarians.

    No offense.

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  7. Hoyacon Member
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Suspira (View Comment):

    I’m lost here. What’s so terrible–other than aesthetics—with booze in plastic?

    That’s okay, Suspira. I wouldn’t expect a woman to understand.

    The bottle doesn’t clink when it touches the glass.

    No, no. It needs a handle you can put your pinkie through to steady it as you raise it with the crook of your arm to take a slash.

    You people are barbarians.

    No offense.

    I know this is mostly about bourbon, but one doesn’t have to be a barbarian to recognize the ridiculous attempts to sell vodka by inserting it in fancy glass bottles.   The incredible number of vodkas in “distinctive” containers is a grand triumph of marketing.

     

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  8. Seawriter Contributor
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):
    I know this is mostly about bourbon, but one doesn’t have to be a barbarian to recognize the ridiculous attempts to sell vodka by inserting it in fancy glass bottles.   The incredible number of vodkas in “distinctive” containers is a grand triumph of marketing.

    I’m sorry, but marketing is the only difference between most vodkas. So at least to me distinctive containers for vodka makes sense. They all taste the same and there is no reason to prefer one brand over another.

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  9. Hoyacon Member
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    Seawriter (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):
    I know this is mostly about bourbon, but one doesn’t have to be a barbarian to recognize the ridiculous attempts to sell vodka by inserting it in fancy glass bottles. The incredible number of vodkas in “distinctive” containers is a grand triumph of marketing.

    I’m sorry, but marketing is the only difference between most vodkas. So at least to me distinctive containers for vodka makes sense. They all taste the same and there is no reason to prefer one brand over another.

    That was essentially my point, although there are very modest differences in taste in some instances when drunk straight.

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  10. Henry Racette Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Seawriter (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):
    I know this is mostly about bourbon, but one doesn’t have to be a barbarian to recognize the ridiculous attempts to sell vodka by inserting it in fancy glass bottles. The incredible number of vodkas in “distinctive” containers is a grand triumph of marketing.

    I’m sorry, but marketing is the only difference between most vodkas. So at least to me distinctive containers for vodka makes sense. They all taste the same and there is no reason to prefer one brand over another.

    That was essentially my point, although there are very modest difference in taste in some instances when drunk straight.

    Which disappear when you’re straight drunk.

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  11. Chuck Coolidge
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    Which disappear when you’re straight drunk.

    Quoting a neighbor, “I was pretty high but I wasn’t drunk, okay?”

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  12. kedavis Coolidge
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    Seawriter (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):
    I know this is mostly about bourbon, but one doesn’t have to be a barbarian to recognize the ridiculous attempts to sell vodka by inserting it in fancy glass bottles. The incredible number of vodkas in “distinctive” containers is a grand triumph of marketing.

    I’m sorry, but marketing is the only difference between most vodkas. So at least to me distinctive containers for vodka makes sense. They all taste the same and there is no reason to prefer one brand over another.

    I’m sorry all that bourbon etc has ruined your sense of taste.  Or more accurately, your sense of smell, since a lot of what we call “taste” is actually smell.

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  13. Manny Coolidge
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    Manny (View Comment):

    Bourbon in plastic bottles?? What? No way. Actually I’m out of bourbon myself. I’ll swing by the liquor store tomorrow and see.

    But some of our supermarkets have empty shelves which they have blamed on supplies not coming in. And I live in NYC. I can imagine elsewhere.

    Ok, I swung by the liquor store. All stocked in every category of fine fluids and none in plastic bottles. I even decided to pick up Jim Beam since a number of people here mentioned it. Actually it was on sale. ;). I normally get Jack. 

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  14. Manny Coolidge
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    Suspira (View Comment):

    I’m lost here. What’s so terrible–other than aesthetics—with booze in plastic?

    Well, I don’t know if this is a fact or my impression, but over time I believe plastic alters the taste of the contents. The shelf life of soda is not long enough to effect the taste of the soda but for a beverage that may hang out in a liquor cabinet for quite a while, I think it will change it. Plus plastic has such a cheap connotation that you don’t want to buy something expensive in plastic. 

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  15. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Percival (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Suspira (View Comment):

    I’m lost here. What’s so terrible–other than aesthetics—with booze in plastic?

    That’s okay, Suspira. I wouldn’t expect a woman to understand.

    The bottle doesn’t clink when it touches the glass.

    No, no. It needs a handle you can put your pinkie through to steady it as you raise it with the crook of your arm to take a slash.

    “That’s when I saw the bear.”

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  16. Goldwaterwoman Thatcher
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    Seawriter (View Comment):
    I’m sorry, but marketing is the only difference between most vodkas. So at least to me distinctive containers for vodka makes sense. They all taste the same and there is no reason to prefer one brand over another.

    I can personally endorse Tito’s Vodka, make in Texas for dog lovers.

    • #76
  17. kedavis Coolidge
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    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):

    Seawriter (View Comment):
    I’m sorry, but marketing is the only difference between most vodkas. So at least to me distinctive containers for vodka makes sense. They all taste the same and there is no reason to prefer one brand over another.

    I can personally endorse Tito’s Vodka, make in Texas for dog lovers.

    What kind of vodka do cat lovers buy?

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  18. Percival Thatcher
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Suspira (View Comment):

    I’m lost here. What’s so terrible–other than aesthetics—with booze in plastic?

    That’s okay, Suspira. I wouldn’t expect a woman to understand.

    The bottle doesn’t clink when it touches the glass.

    No, no. It needs a handle you can put your pinkie through to steady it as you raise it with the crook of your arm to take a slash.

    “That’s when I saw the bear.”

    “He was a Kodiak-lookin’ fella about nineteen foot tall …”

    • #78
  19. Henry Racette Member
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    Manny (View Comment):
    over time I believe plastic alters the taste of the contents.

    I don’t understand this comment in the context of bourbon.

    What does “over time” mean? Are there circumstances in which bourbon remains in the bottle for a prolonged period?

    Put differently: are there bottles of prodigious size, of which I’m unaware?

    • #79
  20. Hoyacon Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):

    Seawriter (View Comment):
    I’m sorry, but marketing is the only difference between most vodkas. So at least to me distinctive containers for vodka makes sense. They all taste the same and there is no reason to prefer one brand over another.

    I can personally endorse Tito’s Vodka, make in Texas for dog lovers.

    What kind of vodka do cat lovers buy?

    My limited survey indicates Tanqueray Silver.

    • #80
  21. kedavis Coolidge
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):

    Seawriter (View Comment):
    I’m sorry, but marketing is the only difference between most vodkas. So at least to me distinctive containers for vodka makes sense. They all taste the same and there is no reason to prefer one brand over another.

    I can personally endorse Tito’s Vodka, make in Texas for dog lovers.

    What kind of vodka do cat lovers buy?

    My limited survey indicates Tanqueray Silver.

    Gin isn’t vodka.

    • #81
  22. Annefy Member
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    Front Seat Cat (View Comment):

    Annefy (View Comment):

    A good friend stopped by this morning to let us know what he predicted has happened – the business that he owns with others is now scrambling to close their doors. They sell commercial furniture to mostly casinos and hotels. Manufacturing done in Vietnam. They can’t get product from Vietnam to the states.

    Ricochet needs to add an “astonished button” because Like doesn’t cut it here. That is terrible Anne! How long in business??

    We’re in transition right now in a rental while we build, and had to purchase a few furniture pieces that we were lacking. Our old house had a lot of built in’s which were great. The price of furniture was high for not very good quality. We found some very good pieces in some beach cottage type places – that were reasonable. The vendors said they were having trouble getting inventory and were getting concerned.

    I had a very well made pine table that we’ve had for decades, used on a porch, refinished by my friend. It came out beautifully. We were mulling over to recover our 3 club chairs or by new. Hard to find people to recover, and they said they are shocked to find cheap plywood and particle board frames on brand names when they tear off old fabric. After looking at new, we opted to recover. Things are really getting nutty.

    They’ve been in business since at least the mid 2000s (before we met them). They nearly lost everything in the crash in ’08, but managed to salvage part of the business and start anew.

    They have customers willing to place orders; just not willing to place an order and not know when they would receive the furniture.

    My husband’s business may well suffer the same fate; they are reliant upon shipping parts in and product out. The shipping prices are exorbitant and the shipping not that reliable.

    As an example, there’s a 100 lb saw that I have sold hundreds of in the past 20 years. For the first 15 years, I was able to ship for free. About five years ago we started to charge; cost was about $75 coast to coast. I just got an invoice for a saw shipped CA to NJ; the cost was $265. 

    • #82
  23. kedavis Coolidge
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    Annefy (View Comment):

    Front Seat Cat (View Comment):

    Annefy (View Comment):

    A good friend stopped by this morning to let us know what he predicted has happened – the business that he owns with others is now scrambling to close their doors. They sell commercial furniture to mostly casinos and hotels. Manufacturing done in Vietnam. They can’t get product from Vietnam to the states.

    Ricochet needs to add an “astonished button” because Like doesn’t cut it here. That is terrible Anne! How long in business??

    We’re in transition right now in a rental while we build, and had to purchase a few furniture pieces that we were lacking. Our old house had a lot of built in’s which were great. The price of furniture was high for not very good quality. We found some very good pieces in some beach cottage type places – that were reasonable. The vendors said they were having trouble getting inventory and were getting concerned.

    I had a very well made pine table that we’ve had for decades, used on a porch, refinished by my friend. It came out beautifully. We were mulling over to recover our 3 club chairs or by new. Hard to find people to recover, and they said they are shocked to find cheap plywood and particle board frames on brand names when they tear off old fabric. After looking at new, we opted to recover. Things are really getting nutty.

    They’ve been in business since at least the mid 2000s (before we met them). They nearly lost everything in the crash in ’08, but managed to salvage part of the business and start anew.

    They have customers willing to place orders; just not willing to place an order and not know when they would receive the furniture.

    My husband’s business may well suffer the same fate; they are reliant upon shipping parts in and product out. The shipping prices are exorbitant and the shipping not that reliable.

    As an example, there’s a 100 lb saw that I have sold hundreds of in the past 20 years. For the first 15 years, I was able to ship for free. About five years ago we started to charge; cost was about $75 coast to coast. I just got an invoice for a saw shipped CA to NJ; the cost was $265.

    The left is doing everything it can to increase fuel prices, and hence shipping prices.

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  24. Manny Coolidge
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):
    over time I believe plastic alters the taste of the contents.

    I don’t understand this comment in the context of bourbon.

    What does “over time” mean? Are there circumstances in which bourbon remains in the bottle for a prolonged period?

    Put differently: are there bottles of prodigious size, of which I’m unaware?

    :-) I don’t drink it every night. Mine my stay in the cabinet a year or so. 

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  25. E. Kent Golding Moderator
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    Front Seat Cat (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    I just bought a plastic bottle of Jim Beam a few days ago.

    My God…

    I thought they were trying to get rid of plastic because it’s not biodegradable? I’ve never heard of alcohol in plastic bottles! I thought the screw top replacing real corks on wine bottles was bad!

    I actually like screw tops on wine.   Better seal,  and corks sometimes give a bad flavor to wine.  Screw tops on wine are less romantic, but better for the wine.  Since my wife doesn’t like wine,   I don’t worry about the romance.

    • #85
  26. E. Kent Golding Moderator
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    Seawriter (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):
    I know this is mostly about bourbon, but one doesn’t have to be a barbarian to recognize the ridiculous attempts to sell vodka by inserting it in fancy glass bottles. The incredible number of vodkas in “distinctive” containers is a grand triumph of marketing.

    I’m sorry, but marketing is the only difference between most vodkas. So at least to me distinctive containers for vodka makes sense. They all taste the same and there is no reason to prefer one brand over another.

    Price,  & ability to impress chicks.   If you are single,  go for the vodka that impresses the chicks the most.   Worth the money.   If you are married,  and your wife doesn’t care about alcohol, buy cheap.     We hosted a party once at our house, and I bought expensive gin and vodka to impress the guests.    The expensive gin actually tasted better , and more like gin.

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  27. kedavis Coolidge
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    E. Kent Golding (View Comment):

    Seawriter (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):
    I know this is mostly about bourbon, but one doesn’t have to be a barbarian to recognize the ridiculous attempts to sell vodka by inserting it in fancy glass bottles. The incredible number of vodkas in “distinctive” containers is a grand triumph of marketing.

    I’m sorry, but marketing is the only difference between most vodkas. So at least to me distinctive containers for vodka makes sense. They all taste the same and there is no reason to prefer one brand over another.

    Price, & ability to impress chicks. If you are single, go for the vodka that impresses the chicks the most. Worth the money. If you are married, and your wife doesn’t care about alcohol, buy cheap. We hosted a party once at our house, and I bought expensive gin and vodka to impress the guests. The expensive gin actually tasted better , and more like gin.

    Does it matter that much, if you’re making mixed drinks?

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  28. Hoyacon Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):

    Seawriter (View Comment):
    I’m sorry, but marketing is the only difference between most vodkas. So at least to me distinctive containers for vodka makes sense. They all taste the same and there is no reason to prefer one brand over another.

    I can personally endorse Tito’s Vodka, make in Texas for dog lovers.

    What kind of vodka do cat lovers buy?

    My limited survey indicates Tanqueray Silver.

    Gin isn’t vodka.

    Thanks for that tidbit.  Tanqueray makes a vodka.  I’ll be gracious enough to omit anything further.

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  29. kedavis Coolidge
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):

    Seawriter (View Comment):
    I’m sorry, but marketing is the only difference between most vodkas. So at least to me distinctive containers for vodka makes sense. They all taste the same and there is no reason to prefer one brand over another.

    I can personally endorse Tito’s Vodka, make in Texas for dog lovers.

    What kind of vodka do cat lovers buy?

    My limited survey indicates Tanqueray Silver.

    Gin isn’t vodka.

    Thanks for that tidbit. Tanqueray makes a vodka. I’ll be gracious enough to omit anything further.

    When I looked for Tanqueray Silver, all I found was gin.  Maybe the vodka is called something else?

    Indeed, it appears the Tanqueray vodka is called Sterling, not Silver.  So, easy mistake, but your mistake, not mine.

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  30. Chuck Coolidge
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    Manny (View Comment):
    I don’t drink it every night.

    Looking at your avatar – I hope not!

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