This Is Not Mutual Combat

 

Cook County State’s Attorney Kim Foxx says there is “insufficient evidence” and now Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot, who is a former prosecutor herself, is not happy. Foxx even cited “mutual combat” in this case, as it was reportedly gangs shooting at one another.

It happened in the 1200 block of Mason in Austin around 11 a.m. last Friday. The shooting was caught on a pod camera and police say more than 70 shots were fired. Two groups of gang members were shooting at each other. One of the alleged shooters died and two others were wounded.

Mutual combat is two or more willing combatants throwing some punches and then walking away from each other. It’s not a fight involving dangerous weapons, or deadly weapons. Mutual combat is not one individual dying, and two other participants wounded.

Afghanistan is not the only place involved in a “Forever War”, Chicago could be called Kabul on Lake Michigan. Kim Foxx and federal prosecutors in Illinois have been remiss in enforcing felony in possession of firearms laws. Perhaps they are too busy going after the real domestic terrorists, you know, like parents that attend school board meetings.

Kim Foxx placing the blame on the lack of a comprehensive plan to deal with violence is laughable. The plan is simple, arrest, prosecute, and incarcerate violent felons. Guess who can’t engage in street violence, violent felons that are spending years in prison can’t.

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  1. Instugator Thatcher
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    I wonder what law school passed this obvious buffoon.

    I further wonder how she passed the bar exam.

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  2. Ekosj Member
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    Instugator (View Comment):

    I wonder what law school passed this obvious buffoon.

    I further wonder how she passed the bar exam.

    Knowing the law and choosing to enforce it are two separate things.

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  3. Stad Coolidge
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    I’d rather have this Foxx as my attorney general:

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  4. Full Size Tabby Member
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    If only the combatants were involved, I might not be all that opposed to not prosecuting them, even if one of the combatants died.

    BUT . . . it is not that unusual for bystanders (some of whom might actually be innocent) to get hurt or killed in gang battles, especially if those battles include firearms (collateral damage). Mutual combatants must be prosecuted to protect against further collateral damage. 

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  5. Paul Stinchfield Member
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    Doug Watt: Kim Foxx’s placing the blame on the lack of a comprehensive plan to deal with violence is laughable. The plan is simple, arrest, prosecute, and incarcerate violent felons. Guess who can’t engage in street violence, violent felons that are spending years in prison can’t.

    That’s the problem right there: The last thing leftists want to do with criminals is put them in prison. They are, after all, merely “victims of society”. The result is growing numbers of people become real victims as these criminals are put back on the street to re-offend. There is also the longstanding problem of Chicago politicians taking payola from the gangs and then funneling money to the gangs for “community outreach” programs.

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  6. Percival Thatcher
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    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    Doug Watt: Kim Foxx’s placing the blame on the lack of a comprehensive plan to deal with violence is laughable. The plan is simple, arrest, prosecute, and incarcerate violent felons. Guess who can’t engage in street violence, violent felons that are spending years in prison can’t.

    That’s the problem right there: The last thing leftists want to do with criminals is put them in prison. They are, after all, merely “victims of society”. The result is growing numbers of people become real victims as these criminals are put back on the street to re-offend. There is also the longstanding problem of Chicago politicians taking payola from the gangs and then funneling money to the gangs for “community outreach” programs.

    This isn’t going to get fixed anytime soon.

    But don’t worry Chicago, Mayor Lori Lightfoot finally has a plan.

    She wants to bring street gang members to civil court and put their assets in peril.

    “Their assets?” scoffed a longtime Chicago Fire Department paramedic who has taken thousands of wounded gangsters to hospital emergency rooms. He’s seen their assets as they bleed, and while administering life-saving treatment at their homes.

    “She has no clue. Assets? What assets? A phone, a gold chain, a couple bags of rock, a couple packs of refer in their pockets? A tiny bag of bullets they sell on the street? The Jordans off their feet? What ‘assets’ is she talking about?”

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  7. Paul Stinchfield Member
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    Percival (View Comment):

    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    Doug Watt: Kim Foxx’s placing the blame on the lack of a comprehensive plan to deal with violence is laughable. The plan is simple, arrest, prosecute, and incarcerate violent felons. Guess who can’t engage in street violence, violent felons that are spending years in prison can’t.

    That’s the problem right there: The last thing leftists want to do with criminals is put them in prison. They are, after all, merely “victims of society”. The result is growing numbers of people become real victims as these criminals are put back on the street to re-offend. There is also the longstanding problem of Chicago politicians taking payola from the gangs and then funneling money to the gangs for “community outreach” programs.

    This isn’t going to get fixed anytime soon.

    But don’t worry Chicago, Mayor Lori Lightfoot finally has a plan.

    She wants to bring street gang members to civil court and put their assets in peril.

    “Their assets?” scoffed a longtime Chicago Fire Department paramedic who has taken thousands of wounded gangsters to hospital emergency rooms. He’s seen their assets as they bleed, and while administering life-saving treatment at their homes.

    “She has no clue. Assets? What assets? A phone, a gold chain, a couple bags of rock, a couple packs of refer in their pockets? A tiny bag of bullets they sell on the street? The Jordans off their feet? What ‘assets’ is she talking about?”

    It’s possible that she has no clue. It’s also possible that she knows that this is garbage but hopes to use it to deflect demands that she do something useful.

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  8. EB Thatcher
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    All I can say is if 70 shots were fired and only 3 people were hit, those guys need a little more practice.

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  9. E. Kent Golding Member
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    Not sure how bad the vote fraud problem is in Illinois, but the living people who voted for these clowns deserve what they get.   My sympathies to the people who voted against these clowns and got them anyway.    Chicago used to be a really nice place to visit.     I would like to go to an audio electronics show in Chicago next spring –https://www.axpona.com/Default.asp.  However, I am not literally dying to go to the show — AXPONA is not worth literally dying to see, so I think I will pass on this trip to Chicago.

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  10. Paul Stinchfield Member
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    E. Kent Golding (View Comment):

    Not sure how bad the vote fraud problem is in Illinois, but the living people who voted for these clowns deserve what they get. My sympathies to the people who voted against these clowns and got them anyway.

    In the introduction to historian Robert Conquest’s Reflections on a Ravaged Century, he wrote:

    “In a story by the science fiction writer Hal Clement, when an extrastellar fugitive’s miscalculation has led to his death, the comment is made, ‘Live and learn, they say…but the difficulty seems to lie in living while you learn.’ Over this century the human race has survived experiences that, to put it mildly, should have been instructive. Scores of millions have been slaughtered, and it cannot be said that the avoidance of even the worse catastrophe of nuclear war was foreordained. Have the lessons been learned? And if so, to what extent?”

    Given the willingness of so many people to vote for radical leftists with corrosive agendas, not very well. But of course part of the problem is that the professions of journalism and education have been so corrupted by leftism that many people do not know things that every citizen should know, but instead know all sorts of things that just aren’t so.

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  11. Doug Watt Moderator
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    EB (View Comment):

    All I can say is if 70 shots were fired and only 3 people were hit, those guys need a little more practice.

    They don’t care who they hit. All their practice comes in real time. 

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  12. Paul Stinchfield Member
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    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):
    historian Robert Conquest’s Reflections on a Ravaged Century

    The left reacted very badly in 1968 to Robert Conquest’s famous book The Great Terror: Stalin’s Purge of the Thirties, attacking both the book and Conquest himself. The attack was so angry and came from so many on the left–including so-called liberals–that when, after the fall of communism and the opening of the Soviet archives his publisher suggested a revised and expanded edition, Conquest’s friend Kingsley Amis sarcastically suggested that it should have a new title, “Told You So, You F***ing Fools”.

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  13. Doug Watt Moderator
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    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):
    historian Robert Conquest’s Reflections on a Ravaged Century

    The left reacted very badly in 1968 to Robert Conquest’s famous book The Great Terror: Stalin’s Purge of the Thirties, attacking both the book and Conquest himself. The attack was so angry and came from so many on the left–including so-called liberals–that when, after the fall of communism and the opening of the Soviet archives his publisher suggested a revised and expanded edition, Conquest’s friend Kingsley Amis sarcastically suggested that it should have a new title, “Told You So, You F***ing Fools”.

    I’ve read all of Conquest’s books. The Harvest of Sorrow about Stalin’s deliberate starvation of Ukrainians is well worth reading. 

     

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  14. Percival Thatcher
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    EB (View Comment):

    All I can say is if 70 shots were fired and only 3 people were hit, those guys need a little more practice.

    They’re not aiming. They are just pointing and throwing lead.

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  15. Percival Thatcher
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    And in case you were wondering where Second City Cop got off to when his website went members-only, he is writing pieces for Chicago Contrarian now.

    We aren’t privy to all the facts either, but the facts we do know is that a lot of guns were fired, someone died, there’s tons of video, and Foxx is once again refusing to do the job she was supposedly elected to do. “Mutual Combatants” isn’t a blessing to settle gang conflicts in the streets. That’s almost as stupid as Rahm’s “Take it to the alley” advice. As far as we know, it’s still illegal to turn Chicago boulevards into the O.K. Corral.

    • Was there evidence of gunfire? If there’s video, charge someone with Reckless Discharge;

    • If there are guns, bullets, and brass recovered, why is Chicago spending millions on the ATF NIBIN (National Integrated Ballistic Information Network) van to not be out processing these scenes?

    • Anyone over at Foxx’s office ever hear of GSR (Gunshot Residue) testing? Tie it to the video and charge someone;

    • Video? How about some traffic charges at the very least? Or if stolen vehicles were involved, PSMV or Criminal Trespass charges?

    And we hate to be a broken record, but this situation is the EXACT reason the Felony Murder Rule was put into place: If a shooter in the car kills someone, then everyone in the car killed him. Yes, we know Foxx ran on a platform that included refusing to enforce this statute that was passed by the state legislature. For this reason alone, Foxx should be removed from office for incompetence, but there doesn’t seem to be any political will to hold a member of your own party responsible, and voters are — quite frankly — too dumb and distracted by silly blather. Foxx’s failures will continue to be measured in dead bodies.

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  16. Paul Stinchfield Member
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    Percival (View Comment):

    And in case you were wondering where Second City Cop got off to when his website went members-only, he is writing pieces for Chicago Contrarian now.

    We aren’t privy to all the facts either, but the facts we do know is that a lot of guns were fired, someone died, there’s tons of video, and Foxx is once again refusing to do the job she was supposedly elected to do. “Mutual Combatants” isn’t a blessing to settle gang conflicts in the streets. That’s almost as stupid as Rahm’s “Take it to the alley” advice. As far as we know, it’s still illegal to turn Chicago boulevards into the O.K. Corral.

    . . .

    And we hate to be a broken record, but this situation is the EXACT reason the Felony Murder Rule was put into place: If a shooter in the car kills someone, then everyone in the car killed him. Yes, we know Foxx ran on a platform that included refusing to enforce this statute that was passed by the state legislature. For this reason alone, Foxx should be removed from office for incompetence, but there doesn’t seem to be any political will to hold a member of your own party responsible, and voters are — quite frankly — too dumb and distracted by silly blather. Foxx’s failures will continue to be measured in dead bodies.

    Remember Jussie Smollett and his obviously fake hate crime? Kim Foxx’s office dropped all charges against him.

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  17. OmegaPaladin Moderator
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    I voted for Lightgroot , but only in the runoff.  The alternative was worse.

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  18. Percival Thatcher
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    OmegaPaladin (View Comment):

    I voted for Lightgroot , but only in the runoff. The alternative was worse.

    That any city this side of North Korea should have to choose between Lori and Toni Preckwinkle is unconscionable. 

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  19. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot) Member
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    Are a significant proportion of black women in positions of authority incompetent?  Is this an “affirmative action” problem?  Or is it just a coincidence?

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  20. Jimmy Carter Member
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    It’s not that midnight basketball failed, it’s that there hasn’t been the right people to implement it.

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  21. Randy Webster Member
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    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):
    historian Robert Conquest’s Reflections on a Ravaged Century

    The left reacted very badly in 1968 to Robert Conquest’s famous book The Great Terror: Stalin’s Purge of the Thirties, attacking both the book and Conquest himself. The attack was so angry and came from so many on the left–including so-called liberals–that when, after the fall of communism and the opening of the Soviet archives his publisher suggested a revised and expanded edition, Conquest’s friend Kingsley Amis sarcastically suggested that it should have a new title, “Told You So, You F***ing Fools”.

    Amis wrote his own Stalin book Koba the Dread.

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  22. Paul Stinchfield Member
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    Jimmy Carter (View Comment):

    It’s not that midnight basketball failed, it’s that there hasn’t been the right people to implement it.

    “That wasn’t real midnight basketball!”

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  23. Stad Coolidge
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    OmegaPaladin (View Comment):

    I voted for Lightgroot , but only in the runoff. The alternative was worse.

    If Beetlejuice was the lesser of two evils, I can’t imagine how bad the other candidate was . . .

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  24. Buckpasser Member
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    Is dueling now legal in Chicago?

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  25. Basil Fawlty Member
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    Doug Watt: It happened in the 1200 block of Mason in Austin

    I grew up in Austin but I missed all this fun.

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  26. DonG (CAGW is a hoax) Coolidge
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    Instugator (View Comment):

    I wonder what law school passed this obvious buffoon.

    I further wonder how she passed the bar exam.

    Soros School of Law?     Everyone “throwing lead” is a public menace and should go to jail.

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  27. Eeyore Member
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    I’m sure there is no way that any of Chicago’s myriad felony gun laws were violated in this interaction. And, since no charges were filed, if any guns fell into the hands of the police, say from the wounded, they are returned with apologies. 

    And I hope Foxx instructs the police that if any belligerent is identifiable from the video, no selective and discriminatory searches and seizures are conducted to attempt to take away guns.

     

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  28. iWe Coolidge
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    EB (View Comment):

    All I can say is if 70 shots were fired and only 3 people were hit, those guys need a little more practice.

    That is a much higher hit rate than soldiers achieve in combat. FAR higher.

    During World War II it was estimated that 45,000 rounds of small arms ammunition was fired to kill one enemy soldier. In Vietnam the American military establishment consumed an estimated 50,000 rounds of ammunition for every enemy killed.

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  29. Randy Webster Member
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    iWe (View Comment):

    EB (View Comment):

    All I can say is if 70 shots were fired and only 3 people were hit, those guys need a little more practice.

    That is a much higher hit rate than soldiers achieve in combat. FAR higher.

    During World War II it was estimated that 45,000 rounds of small arms ammunition was fired to kill one enemy soldier. In Vietnam the American military establishment consumed an estimated 50,000 rounds of ammunition for every enemy killed.

    Sure.  But most rounds fired in the military are suppressing fire, not fired at an enemy.

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  30. Stad Coolidge
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    iWe (View Comment):

    EB (View Comment):

    All I can say is if 70 shots were fired and only 3 people were hit, those guys need a little more practice.

    That is a much higher hit rate than soldiers achieve in combat. FAR higher.

    During World War II it was estimated that 45,000 rounds of small arms ammunition was fired to kill one enemy soldier. In Vietnam the American military establishment consumed an estimated 50,000 rounds of ammunition for every enemy killed.

    Sure. But most rounds fired in the military are suppressing fire, not fired at an enemy.

    True.  If you want one shot-one kill, think snipers . . .

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