Capitol Breach: FBI Has No Evidence of an Insurrection

 

From PowerLine blog/Reuters:

Reuters reports this morning, in a story billed as an “EXCLUSIVE,” that the FBI has concluded that there was no conspiracy or coordinated effort behind the events at the Capitol on January 6:

The FBI has found scant evidence that the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol was the result of an organized plot to overturn the presidential election result, according to four current and former law enforcement officials.

Though federal officials have arrested more than 570 alleged participants, the FBI at this point believes the violence was not centrally coordinated by far-right groups or prominent supporters of then-President Donald Trump, according to the sources, who have been either directly involved in or briefed regularly on the wide-ranging investigations.

So, the narrative goes “poof!” and yet too many are punished for non-violent acts.

“Ninety to ninety-five percent of these are one-off cases,” said a former senior law enforcement official with knowledge of the investigation. “Then you have five percent, maybe, of these militia groups that were more closely organized. But there was no grand scheme with Roger Stone and Alex Jones and all of these people to storm the Capitol and take hostages.” . . .

FBI investigators did find that cells of protesters, including followers of the far-right Oath Keepers and Proud Boys groups, had aimed to break into the Capitol. But they found no evidence that the groups had serious plans about what to do if they made it inside, the sources said. . .

But re-education for WrongThink is a must. Everyone charged must abase themselves to the regime.

We are so far down the rabbit hole I fear we never return.

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  1. Doug Watt Member
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    Yes, there were some in the crowd that were violent, and should be prosecuted for their actions. There is a difference between a riot, and an insurrection. There will always be a group of knuckleheads in any demonstration that are there for more excitement than others.

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  2. Seawriter Contributor
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    Bookmark this for the next time the Never-Trumpers start blathering on about 1/6 being an insurrection. 

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  3. Right Wing Teamster Lawyer Inactive
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    Want to bet Pelosi’s 1/6 Comission (Comittee?), finds evidence of a vast right wing Trump conspiracy????

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  4. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    “We are so far down the rabbit-hole I fear we never return.”

    We will return but it may be a long, hard, painful slog.

     

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  5. MarciN Member
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    I’m somewhat reassured by this news–not that it wasn’t what the press and the Democrats described it as but that there are still some honest FBI agents in our country who didn’t simply make up stuff to further the Biden-Pelosi narrative. 

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  6. WillowSpring Member
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    In a normal week, this would be the big news in the ‘Friday Dump’ to be missed by the media.  These days, it is just one little bit of news.

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  7. Dbroussa Coolidge
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    Seawriter (View Comment):

    Bookmark this for the next time the Never-Trumpers start blathering on about 1/6 being an insurrection.

    Like THAT would actually work.  

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  8. Guruforhire Inactive
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    To be fair:

    The FBI couldn’t find a political motive for the attempted assassination of the republican baseball team.

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  9. Rodin Member
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    Guruforhire (View Comment):

    To be fair:

    The FBI couldn’t find a political motive for the attempted assassination of the republican baseball team.

    Good counterpoint. But the better interpretation is that they don’t find what they don’t want to find and, here, the incentives run the other way.

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  10. Gary Robbins Member
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    I have not found Powerline to be a reliable source of information in the past, but for their reporting to be shaded by their political point of view.  I would really, really, really like to see the source documents or for the mainstream media to pick this up.  This does raise a red flag.  I am in a “Trust but Verify” mode, I want external verification.

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  11. JimGoneWild Coolidge
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    No mention of Antifa or BLM?

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  12. Stina Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I have not found Powerline to be a reliable source of information in the past, but for their reporting to be shaded by their political point of view. I would really, really, really like to see the source documents or for the mainstream media to pick this up. This does raise a red flag. I am in a “Trust but Verify” mode, I want external verification.

    Reuters reported on it. Why don’t you follow the link and go to the original reporting?

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  13. Stina Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I have not found Powerline to be a reliable source of information in the past, but for their reporting to be shaded by their political point of view. I would really, really, really like to see the source documents or for the mainstream media to pick this up. This does raise a red flag. I am in a “Trust but Verify” mode, I want external verification.

    Let me help you out:

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/

    Cool thing – all those sites you don’t trust, the credible ones MUST supply links to remain credible. Something WAPO and Times don’t need to do to maintain their reputation.

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  14. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    Yes, there were some in the crowd that were violent, and should be prosecuted for their actions. There is a difference between a riot, and an insurrection. There will always be a group of knuckleheads in any demonstration that are there for more excitement than others.

    Not the thoughts of my liberal friends.  They think they were just incompetent insurrectionist and should swing.   My perspective that these were just more mostly peaceful protests seem to indicate that maybe I should swing with them.   

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  15. Seawriter Contributor
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    Stina (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I have not found Powerline to be a reliable source of information in the past, but for their reporting to be shaded by their political point of view. I would really, really, really like to see the source documents or for the mainstream media to pick this up. This does raise a red flag. I am in a “Trust but Verify” mode, I want external verification.

    Reuters reported on it. Why don’t you follow the link and go to the original reporting?

    Maybe because it would mean he might have to admit he was wrong. Better to refuse to investigate and discover this is from the FBI.

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  16. Gossamer Cat Coolidge
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    I’m somewhat reassured by this news–not that it wasn’t what the press and the Democrats described it as but that there are still some honest FBI agents in our country who didn’t simply make up stuff to further the Biden-Pelosi narrative.

    My reaction too.  Even though it will be suppressed or distorted by the MSM, I’m glad that the FBI is not entirely corrupt. 

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  17. philo Member
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    I, for one, would require at least one example to support Powerline skepticism before even considering picking up the BS flag I just threw on that dodge. 

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  18. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    My goddaughter is in the process of joining the marines.  I am supporting her with a heavy heart.  I hope the military is not as gone as it seems to be.  I also recognize there is most likely a high chance she will be deployed against the GOP base.  I really do not want to be in a situation that would cause.  

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  19. Hoyacon Member
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    Umm, has it occurred to anyone else that this might be CYA in the event of participation by FBI informants/ operatives, and to prevent further inquiry into that?  Or have I just grown a bit cynical after years in DC?

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  20. Hoyacon Member
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    Stina (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I have not found Powerline to be a reliable source of information in the past, but for their reporting to be shaded by their political point of view. I would really, really, really like to see the source documents or for the mainstream media to pick this up. This does raise a red flag. I am in a “Trust but Verify” mode, I want external verification.

    Reuters reported on it. Why don’t you follow the link and go to the original reporting?

    Not finding the people at Powerline “reliable” speaks for itself.

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  21. Bishop Wash Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Umm, has it occurred to anyone else that this might be CYA in the event of participation by FBI informants/ operatives, and to prevent further inquiry into that? Or have I just grown a bit cynical after years in DC?

    I was thinking if the FBI is admitting it wasn’t an insurrection then they didn’t have a part in it. If they had been involved there would at least have been a plan, which they most likely would have constructed.

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  22. Tex929rr Coolidge
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Not finding the people at Powerline “reliable” speaks for itself.

    Serious 

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  23. Hoyacon Member
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    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Umm, has it occurred to anyone else that this might be CYA in the event of participation by FBI informants/ operatives, and to prevent further inquiry into that? Or have I just grown a bit cynical after years in DC?

    I was thinking if the FBI is admitting it wasn’t an insurrection then they didn’t have a part in it. If they had been involved there would at least have been a plan, which they most likely would have constructed.

    If the latter was true or at least partially true, wouldn’t a finding of “no plan” shut down further inquiry into potential avenues of embarrassment?

    There’s nothing wrong with taking this information at face value, but the other possibility did occur to me.

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  24. Gary Robbins Member
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    Stina (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I have not found Powerline to be a reliable source of information in the past, but for their reporting to be shaded by their political point of view. I would really, really, really like to see the source documents or for the mainstream media to pick this up. This does raise a red flag. I am in a “Trust but Verify” mode, I want external verification.

    Reuters reported on it. Why don’t you follow the link and go to the original reporting?

    Thank you.  I stand corrected.  Reuters is a respected news source.

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  25. Bishop Wash Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Umm, has it occurred to anyone else that this might be CYA in the event of participation by FBI informants/ operatives, and to prevent further inquiry into that? Or have I just grown a bit cynical after years in DC?

    I was thinking if the FBI is admitting it wasn’t an insurrection then they didn’t have a part in it. If they had been involved there would at least have been a plan, which they most likely would have constructed.

    If the latter was true or at least partially true, wouldn’t a finding of “no plan” shut down further inquiry into potential avenues of embarrassment?

    There’s nothing wrong with taking this information at face value, but the other possibility did occur to me.

    There is that angle. Too bad we don’t have an agency we can trust.

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  26. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Umm, has it occurred to anyone else that this might be CYA in the event of participation by FBI informants/ operatives, and to prevent further inquiry into that? Or have I just grown a bit cynical after years in DC?

    Cynicism is more than warranted. On this as well as virtually every issue out there.

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  27. Kevin Schulte Member
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    Eventually the FBI was going to have to stand before a judge (possibly a righteous judge) .

    A non crooked judge would ask WHERE  TF  IS THE EVIDENCE.

    You who think there are good guys in the FBI that will stick there neck out against the crooked onslaught . Well , you are mistaken . If all those guys that sat on their hands over Hillary or Russia Russia doesn’t wake you .  What will ?

    They killed 3 birds with this proclamation.

    1.  Damage done. All the Tommie the Commies have been convinced and will not hear otherwise.
    2. They killed any investigation into their own wrong doing.
    3. Their pants wont be taken down before a potential righteous Judge.

    Mission complete.

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  28. She Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Umm, has it occurred to anyone else that this might be CYA in the event of participation by FBI informants/ operatives, and to prevent further inquiry into that? Or have I just grown a bit cynical after years in DC?

    Yes.

    And No.  (As the mental health professionals are wont to explain–sometimes it’s perfectly normal to have panic and anxiety attacks, if your life is such that panic and anxiety attacks are clearly warranted reactions to your life’s panic-and-anxiety-attack inducing circumstances.)

    In fact, I wrote a comment which started out <TinFoilHatOn> and ended with <TinFoil HatOff> along exactly those lines.  Then I deleted it, because I’m so disgusted with the Afghanistan thing that my usual “never-say die”  joie-de-vivre is a bit dampened at the moment.

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  29. Kevin Schulte Member
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    Kevin Schulte (View Comment):

    Eventually the FBI was going to have to stand before a judge (possibly a righteous judge) .

    A non crooked judge would ask WHERE TF IS THE EVIDENCE.

    You who think there are good guys in the FBI that will stick there neck out against the crooked onslaught . Well , you are mistaken . If all those guys that sat on their hands over Hillary or Russia Russia doesn’t wake you . What will ?

    They killed 3 birds with this proclamation.

    1. Damage done. All the Tommie the Commies have been convinced and will not hear otherwise.
    2. They killed any investigation into their own wrong doing.
    3. Their pants wont be taken down before a potential righteous Judge.

    Mission complete.

    I must add a fourth.

    4. They have successfully over incarcerated and bankrupted  loads of Deplorables a                      as an example to any other uppity deplorables .

    Double Mission Complete.

    And stay tuned for the stampede of righteous FBI guys falling on the sword over this perversion of justice.

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  30. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
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    Kevin Schulte (View Comment):

    Eventually the FBI was going to have to stand before a judge (possibly a righteous judge) .

    A non crooked judge would ask WHERE TF IS THE EVIDENCE.

    You who think there are good guys in the FBI that will stick there neck out against the crooked onslaught . Well , you are mistaken . If all those guys that sat on their hands over Hillary or Russia Russia doesn’t wake you . What will ?

    They killed 3 birds with this proclamation.

    1. Damage done. All the Tommie the Commies have been convinced and will not hear otherwise.
    2. They killed any investigation into their own wrong doing.
    3. Their pants wont be taken down before a potential righteous Judge.

    Mission complete.

    I agree there is a huge basis for your statements, which end in dismal but perhaps well deserved negativity. However if that is the case, we are done as a nation.

    Biden has recently embarked on  a mission to convince the DC journalists who embroider his statements with authenticity that for any American to refuse to accept vaccination for an infection with a 99.05% survival rate is equivalent to being a Molotov throwing cocktail terrorist.

    There is also the matter of the election machinery swindles. Having gotten away with the Nov 3rd theft once, it will continue to happen.

    “My” governor, Gavin Newsom, has just released goodness knows how many mail in ballots, to “assist” the people in the stae of Calif to make their voices and will be known this coming Sept 14th, as to whether said governor should stay or should go.

    But as appalling as it is that these huge huge numbers of unrequested ballots were sent out, it is even more appalling that hidden inside the one dozen pages of the Recall “Voter Guide” is the spelling out that should an individual wish to vote in person, the individuals voting at the polling place must, that is M-u-s-t bring said un-requested mail in ballots with them to the polling place. Then it is to be surrendered and replaced with a different ballot. If the individual voters forget, as this is a new wrinkle  in voter law, they will be issued a “provisional ballot.” This ballot is always a problem – they havea tendency to be destroyed for one reason or another by “election judges” who submit to each other “valid reasons” for the ballot’s destruction. Or the provisional ballots are not counted at first, at least not until all other ballots are counted. Then perhaps they are forgotten. Otherwise how was it this occurred: During one recent state initiative, a full one million ballots were never counted?!!

     

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