Is The West Still In Denial?

 
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Cardinal Ratzinger in 2001 by Manfredo Ferrari.

Yes it is, says Samuel Gregg in a Catholic World Report retrospective on the address given nearly ten years ago by then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger — now, Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI — on faith and reason. I have had recourse many times to quote this address here at Ricochet, primarily in response to threads on Islam, and particularly with regards to the section Benedict devoted to the lack of reason as part of Islam’s understanding of God. Without reason, the God would be nothing but pure will, commanding his followers to make choices and take actions against reason. But Gregg focuses less on Islam than on the loss of reason in the West, which was the bulk of the Pope’s address. Following his explanation of this loss, he writes:

These developments have left much of Christianity spectacularly ill-equipped to even begin grappling with Islamic jihadism, let alone making meaningful contributions to combatting this phenomena. One does not need to look hard within the Christian world — including the Catholic Church — to find those who endlessly repeat the “religion of peace” mantra, or who equate reasoned, carefully-worded, and historically-informed critique of various Muslim tenets and customs with “Islamophobia.” To this degree, they echo the same banalities of those Western political leaders who, immediately after an attack by Islamic terrorists, immediately assert that it has nothing to do with Islam. Unfortunately for them — and the rest of us — those Muslims who immolate themselves while carrying out suicide-bombings clearly believe their actions do owe much to their religious faith.

As we see the mess that is Europe today, overrun by Muslim migrants and refugees and afraid to recognize their Christian roots, Gregg offers this warning:

([T]he danger for Christianity at present is surely less one of fundamentalism but rather of sentimentalism: that which characterizes far too many contributions to public discourse in the West today—including those made by more than a few Christians—and which lies helpless and befuddled in the face of Islamist terrorism.

This is the stupor from which a gentle man, who has always tempered intellectual rigor and moral courage with genuine humility, tried to awaken Christians and the West at Regensburg. Ten years later, it seems, many remain fast asleep.

Gregg’s essay and Ratzinger’s address are both well worth your time today; they’ll likely still be ten years from now.

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  1. KC Mulville Inactive
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    Great speech, great response from Gregg. Of course, the discussion about the abandonment of reason applies to the West as a whole. Dennis Prager had a piece in NRO today that (probably unintentionally) brushed some of the same issues. Reason and faith are inextricably linked.

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  2. Front Seat Cat Member
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    There is a lot to absorb in these articles, and worth taking the time to read.  I think part of it is fear. Muslims believe in their faith and do not compromise that belief. The radical side of it does as well, but take to the extreme their doctrine, leaving no room for any other faiths or even a discussion.

    Christians ( I cannot speak for Jews, but I suspect they feel the same) have been berated into a corner of political correctness, and there is an element of fear in that corner.  If the Christian world stood its ground (like the centuries past when forced to confront Muslim aggression) and cast fear aside, maybe things would be different.

    There can be a bridge offered, like the last 3 popes have offered, but the truth must be spoken without fear.  Our faith depends on it.

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  3. Jordan Inactive
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    I recall reading the Pope’s address early in college, 2008, and his remarks were instrumental to me discovering that the Christian faith was not only compatible with reason, but was in fact the only source of true reason.

    I had such hope while in my undergraduate studies that the West was waking up to the truth, and would quickly rediscover it’s Christian (if not explicitly Catholic) roots, and we’d see a spiritual revival across the West reaffirming the integrated nature of faith and reason.

    Sadly none of that happened, and we slip only deeper into ignorance and our own dissolution.

    I’ll need a longer hope.

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  4. Scott Wilmot Member
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    Jordan: I recall reading the Pope’s address early in college, 2008, and his remarks were instrumental to me discovering that the Christian faith was not only compatible with reason, but was in fact the only source of true reason.

    Good for you – there is no one who writes more clearly on the Christian faith than Joseph Ratzinger.

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  5. Scott Wilmot Member
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    Front Seat Cat: the truth must be spoken without fear. Our faith depends on it.

    Amen to that.

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  6. Scott Wilmot Member
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    KC Mulville: Reason and faith are inextricably linked.

    Prager’s piece was very good. Our increasingly godless and secular society continually looks to government for answers but as he says:

    the only solution to many, perhaps most, of the social problems ailing America and the West is some expression of Judeo-Christian religion.

    Prager agrees that we remain asleep:

    The problem is not that most leading conservative thinkers are secular. It is that they don’t seem to understand that a godless and Judeo-Christian-free America means the end of America, just as a godless and Judeo-Christian-free Europe has meant the end of Europe.

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  7. genferei Member
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    Everything he says about Regensburg strikes me as correct — except that it has anything to say about political correctness and sentimentalism.

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  8. Doug Watt Member
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    One of the benefits of a classical Catholic education is that it allows you to recognize nonsense when you hear it. You are also able to defend the faith using reason rather than your fists.

    Todays education, including alas many so called Catholic schools has become screaming out hate speech, micro aggression and seeking out a safe space that contains a blanket and binky has now been substituted for reasoned thinking.

    Those who believe in everything really believe in nothing and are ill equipped to meet Jihad whether it is with reason, or whether it is with their fists when the Jihadist cannot be swayed with reason.

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  9. KiminWI Member
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    Doug Watt:One of the benefits of a classical Catholic education is that it allows you to recognize nonsense when you hear it. You are also able to defend the faith using reason rather than your fists.

    Why is it so very attractive to take the easy road? Ok, stupid question. It’s attractive because it’s lazy. The work of rigorous thought and reasoned argument is not recognized, not rewarded and not elevated so it’s even less attractive to those who might be inclined to pursue it.

    An example. My daughter attends a classical Christian school. It is intentionally ecumenical, but majority Roman Catholic, which makes sense when you consider who might have affinity for classical education. Where  focused on Scripture, history, literature and philosophy, students are encouraged to practice rigor. One departure baffles me. In the 9th grade year when they study doctrine rather than scripture, they split into Protestant and Roman Catholic classes. It has become apparent that the protestant doctrine class is far more rigorous, exploring history and doctrine developed over 2000 years along diverent paths, and culminating in research of each student’s own family’s faith tradition. The Roman Catholic class is far less ambitious; that is what baffles. As a Protestant, I know  the depths that could be plumbed there.  From the outside, it almost appears a defensive posture and not a rationally affirmative one. One can’t argue a defense without knowing the context of the opposition.  Don’t fear knowledge!

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  10. KiminWI Member
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    Getting that first post down to 250 words took effort!  Here’s some more.

    Vishal Mangalwadi is pretty hard on the deficits of the evangelical movement. See http://www.revelationmovement.com. One of his points is that Truth and knowledge have been separated in our culture and this is reinforced when academics operate in silos. Science and philosophy and theology etc should have nothing to fear from the other disciplines if they dare seek truth rather than self referential affirmation.   This is pretty apparent in evangelicalism and has driven actual reformed theology underground to some extent. I fear the same influence dumbs down Roman Catholic teaching in addition to the sentimentalism Gregg is describing.

    It can’t happen. The whole kata holos church must stand solidly for  the hardest of Truth.

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  11. Arizona Patriot Member
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    I may be missing the nuances, but I think that I disagree with the premise of this post about the existence of a harmony between the Christian faith and reason.  It seems to me that the core of Christianity is the acceptance of several beliefs that are not reasonable:

    1. The Almighty God who created the universe incarnated Himself as a man, frail and presumably fallible.
    2. This divine Messiah, God in the flesh, did not bring peace, justice, and righteousness to the world.  He was tortured to death.
    3. He then rose from the grave.

    I believe these things, but they still strike me as unreasonable, in the sense that I have never directly witnessed any similar events.

    Both Paul and the author of Hebrews used reason to argue, from the Hebrew Scriptures, that Jesus is the promised Messiah.  But that argument presupposed the truth of the Hebrew Scriptures.

    [Continued]

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  12. Arizona Patriot Member
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    [Continued]

    Paul also wrote, in 1 Corinthians 1:

    For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written:

    “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
        the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”

    Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.

    I do not say that faith is completely contrary to reason.  But it seems to me that the central truths of the Christian faith are outside the province of reason.

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  13. Scott Wilmot Member
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    Arizona Patriot: I may be missing the nuances, but I think that I disagree with the premise of this post about the existence of a harmony between the Christian faith and reason.

    If you would like to delve into the relationship between faith and reason spend some time with Fides et Ratio, the encyclical letter written by Pope John Paul II on the relationship between faith and reason.

    Faith and reason are like two wings on which the human spirit rises to the contemplation of truth; and God has placed in the human heart a desire to know the truth—in a word, to know himself—so that, by knowing and loving God, men and women may also come to the fullness of truth about themselves (cf. Ex 33:18; Ps 27:8-9; 63:2-3; Jn 14:8; 1 Jn 3:2).

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  14. Scott Wilmot Member
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    Arizona Patriot: I believe these things, but they still strike me as unreasonable, in the sense that I have never directly witnessed any similar events.

    Beware of the trap Samuel Gregg writes about:

    On the other end of the spectrum, Benedict argued, many theologians from the nineteenth century onwards increasingly fell (like much of the academy) into the trap of equating reason with empirical methods of inquiry. They thus gradually ceased to think about Christ and Revelation from any standpoint other than that which could be verified by scientific research methods. Hence, in the words of James V. Schall SJ, “In eliminating philosophy from Scripture, we ended up by eliminating the divinity of Christ.” And that, for all intents and purposes, nullifies the essence of Christianity. In this light, we see that the marginalization of Logos leads straight to the disappearance of natural theology, attempts to replace natural law with consequentialist ethics, a habit of excessive deference to disciplines such as sociology or psychology, and the insistence that people’s experiences trumps the conclusions of sound moral reasoning when we assess the goodness or otherwise of our choices.

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  15. Manny Coolidge
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    I saw that retrospective too Scott, and had thought about posting it here.  I’ve just been too busy for stuff like this, and plus baseball season has started up and there are priorities. ;)

    Pope Francis, God bless him though, has shifted direction from Pope BXVI and is sending the wrong signals.  You might want to read William Kilpatrick’s article in Crises, “The Problem with Multicultural Footwashing.”

    I disagree with Trump on most things, but he is correct in shutting down Islamic immigration.

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  16. Manny Coolidge
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    Arizona Patriot:

    I do not say that faith is completely contrary to reason. But it seems to me that the central truths of the Christian faith are outside the province of reason.

    All reason rests on foundational truths.  It’s not isolated.  There is no reason that bodies have gravitational attraction, it just is, and from there you build other principles through reason.  Christ’s resurrection is a foundational truth.  You use reason to build on it.  Reason is not something in isolation.  It works within a box of assumptions.

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  17. Jordan Inactive
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    AP, it’s not simple harmony.  Reason and faith are inseparable.  God is Reason (cf. John 1).  The degree to which humans are able to use reason is an index of faith in the general sense.

    Recall it was the Roman Centurion who had a faith greater than all Israel, simply because he believed that when he issued commands, they would be obeyed, as he obeyed commands given to him.  This faith is more accurately called trust.

    Trust is integral to reason, for without it we would be bound to ignorance, a skeptic to all things.

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  18. KiminWI Member
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    Arizona Patriot: But it seems to me that the central truths of the Christian faith are outside the province of reason.

    Yes, faith may be, in part, outside of or greater than reason. But reason, apart from Truth, is worthless. Truth is what makes reason a good to be desired. And finally, reason is edifying to those who contemplate Truth.

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  19. KiminWI Member
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    And 3 of us posted similar thoughts within 21 seconds!

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  20. Scott Wilmot Member
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    Manny: You might want to read William Kilpatrick’s article in Crises, “The Problem with Multicultural Footwashing.”

    I’ll have to wait until later for that one – reading that looks like it needs to be accompanied by a stiff drink or two.

    Have fun with the baseball – I was happy to see my Astros beat the Yankees on opening day.

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  21. Joseph Stanko Coolidge
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    Arizona Patriot: they still strike me as unreasonable, in the sense that I have never directly witnessed any similar events

    This strikes me as an unreasonable standard of reasonableness.  I’ve never directly witnessed a moon landing, a living dinosaur, or the birth of a child, but I don’t think these events are unreasonable merely because I’ve never been in the right place and time to directly witness them.

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  22. Manny Coolidge
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    Scott Wilmot:

    Manny: You might want to read William Kilpatrick’s article in Crises, “The Problem with Multicultural Footwashing.”

    I’ll have to wait until later for that one – reading that looks like it needs to be accompanied by a stiff drink or two.

    Have fun with the baseball – I was happy to see my Astros beat the Yankees on opening day.

    I was happy to see that too.  I was thrilled that my Orioles won their first game in the bottom of the ninth.  :)

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  23. Doug Watt Member
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    I would suggest Father FC Copleston’s S.J. A History of Philosophy. Originally written for seminarians and consists of about 11 volumes. It might be too advanced for most high school students. Although the first four volumes if outlined by a good teacher could be a good start for juniors or seniors in high school.

    As far as faith and reason are concerned about science I would suggest this:

    Georges Henri Joseph Édouard Lemaître 17 July 1894 – 20 June 1966) was a Belgian priest, astronomer and professor of physics at the Catholic University of Leuven. He proposed the theory of the expansion of the universe, widely misattributed to Edwin Hubble. He was the first to derive what is now known as Hubble’s law and made the first estimation of what is now called the Hubble constant, which he published in 1927, two years before Hubble’s article. Lemaître also proposed what became known as the Big Bang theory of the origin of the Universe, which he called his “hypothesis of the primeval atom” or the “Cosmic Egg”.

    There is also the Vatican’s partnership with the University of Arizona.

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  24. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Manny:I saw that retrospective too Scott, and had thought about posting it here. I’ve just been too busy for stuff like this, and plus baseball season has started up and there are priorities. ;)

    Pope Francis, God bless him though, has shifted direction from Pope BXVI and is sending the wrong signals. You might want to read William Kilpatrick’s article in Crises, “The Problem with Multicultural Footwashing.”

    I disagree with Trump on most things, but he is correct in shutting down Islamic immigration.

    I read that too, Manny. Highly recommend it. In fact, I have so many tabs up with articles from Crises I thought about starting a Catholic reading thread, but I’m too busy reading. ;-)

    On faith and reason, I like Bishop Barron’s short reflection:

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  25. genferei Member
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    While we’re handing out reading assignments, don’t forget Alasdair Macintyre’s God, philosophy, universities: A Selective History of the Catholic Philosophical Tradition. On similar ground: https://vimeo.com/8361474

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