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This week, we take on one of the most debated topics on the site: gay marriage, religious freedom, and what the issues mean for the future of the Republican Party. We do it with two guests from opposite sides of the issue: Rod Dreher is an author (read his new book How Dante Can Save Your Life: The Life-Changing Wisdom of History’s Greatest Poem) columnist, and one of the brightest thinkers in social conservative media. On the other side, Ricochet member Jonathan Gilbert, a gay conservative writer from Los Angeles. What follows is a passionate, intelligent, and (most importantly) respectful discussion on gay marriage, religious freedom, and how the two might coexist. In other words, it’s a shining example of what we mean when we say Ricochet is the home of civil conversation. We hope you’ll tune in.
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In the immortal words of COL Sherman Potter, “Horse hockey!”
Nothing Bryan has said remotely suggests his happiness is dependent on either your actions or opinions. Although, the inflated importance you attach to both is illuminating.
I see. So libertarians are fine with mob pressure, just not government pressure.
Cato has shown contempt for Christians and disdain for someone’s close held beliefs that don’t hurt him in anyway other than in disappointment the person does not come to a ceremony. And for that, Cato calls them immoral, and say they deserve opprobrium.
But to him, I’m the bad guy. Interesting.
Excessive harassment would be immoral. Telling someone your opinion is permitted, but can become inconsiderate the same way not acknowledging someone’s prefered gender can be inconsiderate.
So forcing someone to bake a cake is not OK?
How about firing me for not going to someone’s wedding?
Taking away tax exempt status?
Bryan- Do you recognize the distinction between state mandate and social pressure?
Of course, I doubt anyone that’s a member of Ricochet thinks it’s OK.
I’d put this under inconsiderate but permissible. What kind of jackass would do that, though?
Well, I think taxes are immoral in general, so it would be bad in that respect. I don’t particularly care for the way tax-exempt status is doled out so I don’t know how much sleep I would lose over a particular entity losing it.
Non-violent mob pressure, precisely.
You know nothing of me or what “my side” is, but thanks for taking off the mask of tolerance. I am over 50 years old and I can’t remember a time when merely being gay excluded one from polite society. My parents were fans of Liberace and Paul Lind. One of their best friends was a somewhat effeminate “bachelor” who was nevertheless a wonderful person and companion. When gay people were victimized, even murdered, for being gay, the most traditional people I know were outraged. Will they get the same consideration from you when they are discriminated against for an opinion that does not actually harm anyone?
I too am over 50 years old and I remember the days of social ostracism exceptionally well. If you take a survey of 50+ y/o homosexuals, you will find that my experience in that regard predominates. Obviously I can’t speak to your parents or their effeminate bachelor friend, but I’m confident that if you inquire more broadly, you will find that 30-40 years ago, most homosexuals were in hiding (unless they were being dragged from the closet by the horror of AIDS). The closet didn’t exist because of the widespread welcome homosexuals received in polite society.