A Fistful of Tush

This week, a Minnesotan’s view on Franken and Keillor, we get handsy with our old pal David Limbaugh (would he vote for Roy Moore — tune it to find out), and a chat with an actual southerner about the south (that’s Weekly Standard writer Barton Swaim). Also, a bit about Flynn, and some turkey and tax talk.

Music from this week’s episode:  Stars Fell On Alabama by Ella Fitzgerald & Louis Armstrong

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  1. Blue Yeti Admin
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    Mrs. Ink (View Comment):
    If the woman is credible, why didn’t she come forward when Moore was running for AL supreme court, which would seem more influential in AL than who their senator is. How did WaPo find her? Did they pay her?

    Because no one asked her and she is not politically motivated.

    The WaPo found her because they have resources (Bezos $$) available to them that local AL papers do not.  And no, the WaPo did not pay her.

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  2. Mrs. Ink Inactive
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Mrs. Ink (View Comment):
    Why would a WaPo hit job not be well researched and credible? They are, after all, not Rolling Stone. If the woman is credible, why didn’t she come forward when Moore was running for AL supreme court, which would seem more influential in AL than who their senator is. How did WaPo find her? Did they pay her?

    I’m not sure what your point is. If you’re trying to say the timing on the story seems to have been calculated to help the Democrat win, well, the sun rises in east. If you’re promoting Roy Moore as an innocent saint of the South, why bother? We believe in human nature, don’t we? We believe people can sin and repent and grow? If these accusations were from yesterday or the day before, rather than before the man started what seems to be a successful 30+ year marriage, we would have reason to be seriously concerned.

    The true, non-conspiracy theory is that this is going away because Roy Moore’s conduct pales in comparison to the conduct of John Conyers, Al Franken, Bill Clinton, and about a million more Democrats.

    M point is that WaPo is a large, well-funded outfit, so if they were going to do a hit job, they would make it as plausible as they could.

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  3. Mrs. Ink Inactive
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    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Mrs. Ink (View Comment):
    If the woman is credible, why didn’t she come forward when Moore was running for AL supreme court, which would seem more influential in AL than who their senator is. How did WaPo find her? Did they pay her?

    Because no one asked her and she is not politically motivated.

    The WaPo found her because they have resources (Bezos $$) available to them that local AL papers do not. And no, the WaPo did not pay her.

    How do we know?

    How can you say she isn’t politically motivated when her allegations are timed to do maximum damage?

     

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  4. Arahant Member
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    Mrs. Ink (View Comment):
    My point is that WaPo is a large, well-funded outfit, so if they were going to do a hit job, they would make it as plausible as they could.

    What is your definition of “hit job”? Is it a hit job if they are reporting facts, but timed to do the most possible damage to the candidate they don’t like? Or are you someone who believes they must be lying? When you say, “they would make it as plausible as they could,” it implies you think there are lies involved. Are you accusing the WaPo? Are you accusing specific women whom they interviewed? Exactly who is lying? What proof do you have? Why do you need the lying on top of the obvious timing?

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  5. Arahant Member
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    Mrs. Ink (View Comment):
    How can you say she isn’t politically motivated when her allegations are timed to do maximum damage?

    When did the WaPo interview her? Did she choose the timing? Or did they? I don’t think she had much control over the timing. On the other hand, the WaPo did, and obviously, they used that. They should have held their shot for about another week or two, according to all indications, but they were the ones who chose the timing.

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  6. Blue Yeti Admin
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    Mrs. Ink (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Mrs. Ink (View Comment):
    If the woman is credible, why didn’t she come forward when Moore was running for AL supreme court, which would seem more influential in AL than who their senator is. How did WaPo find her? Did they pay her?

    Because no one asked her and she is not politically motivated.

    The WaPo found her because they have resources (Bezos $$) available to them that local AL papers do not. And no, the WaPo did not pay her.

    How do we know?

    How can you say she isn’t politically motivated when her allegations are timed to do maximum damage?

    The WaPo sought her out (because there’s an election going on), not the other way around. That’s how we know.

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  7. Miffed White Male Member
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Mrs. Ink (View Comment):
    My point is that WaPo is a large, well-funded outfit, so if they were going to do a hit job, they would make it as plausible as they could.

    What is your definition of “hit job”? Is it a hit job if they are reporting facts, but timed to do the most possible damage to the candidate they don’t like?

    Yes.

    Note, I’m not necessarily referring to this specific report.  I have no idea if the WaPo knew about this story months ago and sat on it, or if they got it and reported it the same week.

    If they got it last summer and sat on it, then it’s a hit job.  Best example I can come up with is the George W. Bush drunk driving story, which as far as I know was purposely held back until the weekend before the 2000 election when it would do the most damage due to the limited time available to respond.

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  8. filmklassik Inactive
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    Rightfromthestart (View Comment):
    I’ll have to strongly disagree that a one time, semi-nauseous, emergency, we need the seat, support for Moore somehow cancels out the Democrats and media’s 40 year enthusiastic love affairs with Clinton and Kennedy. You go to war with the troops you have. The very fact that we’re beating ourselves up about it shows the difference.

    Nah, there’s no “one time” emergency anymore.  They no longer exist on either side.  Now it seems to be, “I’m going to hold my nose and support this no good so-and-so from our side because it’s the practical course of action, and I’ll worry about regret and self-recrimination later.”

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  9. Mrs. Ink Inactive
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    What is your definition of “hit job”? Is it a hit job if they are reporting facts, but timed to do the most possible damage to the candidate they don’t like? Or are you someone who believes they must be lying? When you say, “they would make it as plausible as they could,” it implies you think there are lies involved. Are you accusing the WaPo? Are you accusing specific women whom they interviewed? Exactly who is lying? What proof do you have? Why do you need the lying on top of the obvious timing.

    I don’t have any proof-I don’t live in Alabama, and I don’t know any of the people involved. I do know that the Proggies mean to win this long war by any means necessary, and that they have no scruples about lying or shading the truth when it suits them.  I think the timing and the fact that the woman waited for forty years to say any thing are pretty darned suspicious. I find it fascinating that some out of town reporters found out things that local Alabama reporters didn’t.

    I don’t know if they are lying. In light of the GWB National Guard hoax, the Rolling Stone fake frat rape case, and the Duke lacrosse case, I think it might be possible, and maybe even likely that Prog reporters would make things up.

     

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  10. Pugshot Inactive
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    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):
    In answer to James’s question (yes, rhetorical, we know), does one burn a Picasso because the guy was a slime, two artists here shouted out in unison, “YES”!

    Hah! But how much if that has to do with thinking he’s drastically overrated?

    Guernica is a masterpiece. You’d be hard-pressed to capture the same chaos and horror using representational art.

    Respectfully disagree. To appreciate Guernica, you have to be told what it represents. And even when you are told, your fascination with the work is based on your efforts to relate the figures in the painting to what you interpret they are meant to represent. Goya, for example, in his masterpiece The Shootings of May Third, managed to convey the same sense of chaos and horror using representational art:

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  11. EB Thatcher
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    Great podcast!

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  12. Painter Jean Moderator
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    dicentra (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):
    In answer to James’s question (yes, rhetorical, we know), does one burn a Picasso because the guy was a slime, two artists here shouted out in unison, “YES”!

    Hah! But how much if that has to do with thinking he’s drastically overrated?

    Guernica is a masterpiece. You’d be hard-pressed to capture the same chaos and horror using representational art.

    But Guernica is representational! You can clearly see what is depicted: humans, cattle, a horse — they’re represented intelligibly enough so we recognize them, but distorted. Beats having to do the hard work….and unless one knows what the picture is about, you can’t figure it our on your own.

    Picasso may have been competent enough, but when you look at his early work and compare it with the masters of those times (or just before his times), he’s no genius. He was capable, but that’s all. He wasn’t going to go anywhere at his level. So he very shrewdly just went for novelty and shock value.

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  13. Arahant Member
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    Painter Jean (View Comment):
    So he very shrewdly just went for novelty and shock value.

    Now known as “the only thing contemporary art has left.”

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