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  1. Butters Inactive
    Butters
    @CommodoreBTC

    a smart candidate will take away two important lessons from Trump

    1) Treat the media as if they hate you, that they want you to lose, that they want to humiliate you. Because they do.

    You can be combative like Trump or polite like Cruz, but you better push back, you better question their premises, and call them on their biases. Newt did this to great effect before Romney carpet bombed him with TV ads.

    Can’t let Candy Crowley manipulate debates and not call her on it.

    Go after the media without coming off as whiny (like Santorum) and you will win over the GOP voter.

    2) The base needs to believe you respect them. That you care about the issues they care about. That you are responsive to their concerns. It may well all be phony, but Trump is at least acting that way.

    Romney and Jeb look like a kid eating their vegetables when they talk to conservatives.

    Here’s a good litmus test: If you are incapable or unwilling to go on talk radio to defend your campaign (Hugh Hewitt doesn’t count), you don’t respect the base. Because talk radio is what the base listens to.

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  2. Umbra Fractus Inactive
    Umbra Fractus
    @UmbraFractus

    Douglas: ust because he’s been a schmuck and has taken the opposition position on these issues in the past, doesn’t mean that he hasn’t since looked around and went “Holy crap, things are going to hell, and we’d better do something about it”.

    That didn’t fly when Mitt Romney did it, why should Trump get a pass?

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  3. Douglas Inactive
    Douglas
    @Douglas

    Umbra Fractus:

    Douglas: ust because he’s been a schmuck and has taken the opposition position on these issues in the past, doesn’t mean that he hasn’t since looked around and went “Holy crap, things are going to hell, and we’d better do something about it”.

    That didn’t fly when Mitt Romney did it, why should Trump get a pass?

    Probably because of a Romney problem that Jonah has written about quite a bit: his cardboard-like air of insincerity (“Severe conservative”, etc). Being that Trump is a salesman, he can actually pull that off. He may be completely lying, it may all be an act… but Trump actually can appear to give a damn. When Romney tried, he was called flip-flopper because he had the acting ability of a stiff 14 year old in a dull high school play.

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  4. Ricochet Inactive
    Ricochet
    @SanJoaquinSam

    Douglas:As for why Trump has risen so fast, I think that’s bloody obvious to everyone but the candidates and the RNC (save Ted Cruz, who tends to “get it” on these things). Trump is saying out loud what most of us are thinking, and his critics are confirming, out loud, what they always thought of the base. Trump has drawn them out on that. The GOP created this void when they and their corporate-friendly funders suppressed the concerns and fears about this stuff, about illegal immigration, and the defacto support for illegal aliens by business interests that so often dictate what the GOP does. We know we’re being used; they want our votes, they promise to do something about the problem, then when they win, we’re expected to sit down and shut up. We’re not stupid, despite what some may think.

    When you get right down to it, the GOP establishment made Trump 2016. They created this huge void, and someone was going to fill it. Every time someone like a Ted Cruz tried, his own party leadership attacked, so terribly worried about what the fourth estate would say. So now you get Donald Trump. Enjoy. Keep up with the white jerk voter stuff. You only feed Trump when you do. We don’t want Bush. We don’t want Rubio. The more the GOP tries to stuff them down our throats, the more rebellious the base will be.

    This is right on the money Douglas.  Feel like writing an expanded post on this theme?

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  5. user_477123 Inactive
    user_477123
    @Wolverine

    If I recall correctly, the Perot/Bush wedding accusations started after Perot decided to run for President. I do think Podhoretz is correct that Perot hates Bush, and given that they are both from Texas I would venture it goes back many years. Regardless of the motive, Perot was correct to make a big issue of the deficit and the national debt.

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  6. SallyVee Inactive
    SallyVee
    @GirlWithAPearl

    Posting from iphone, after suffering thru 1 hr 17 min of t-rumps marvel of rambling incoherence in phoenix. It is not possible for any self respecting human with semi functional brain to asscociate with this fool in any serious way. Go ahead take the phoenix test, or cure.

    Would like to revise and extend my thanks and praise for GLoP… turns out you guys showed tremendous restraint and grace.

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  7. user_473455 Inactive
    user_473455
    @BenjaminGlaser

    In my recollection most of the Perot vote was rich white suburbanites, not “white jerks”.

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  8. Jojo Inactive
    Jojo
    @TheDowagerJojo

    Benjamin Glaser:In my recollection most of the Perot vote was rich white suburbanites, not “white jerks”.

    I’m not sure Podhoretz thinks they are mutually exclusive.

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  9. Ricochet Inactive
    Ricochet
    @MisterMagic

    I have always said that Democrats will rue the day that they hitched their wagon to one Barack Obama. The same is true of Republicans who find themselves behind a stalking horse named Donald Trump.

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  10. user_124695 Inactive
    user_124695
    @DavidWilliamson

    You just don’t understand – Mr Trump was referring to the fact that Mr Goldberg is always sitting behind a desk, so his pants remain an unknown (or unknown unknown) – he personifies the cognoscenti. I have been to AEI  – I know what they look like. Always sitting behind desks. Or smoking Cuban cigars on the roof.

    Like many of us, Mr Trump thinks that the USA is in dire straights – I don’t think it is more complicated than that  (dismissed by Mr Long in a nanosecond) – but, yeah, he (Mr Trump, not Mr Long) could be a Trojan Horse for Ms Pantsuits – and I could have the naivety of a legal immigrant (I could have just walked across the border, rather than fill out all those forms).

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  11. T-Fiks Member
    T-Fiks
    @TFiks

    If Donald Trump wants to be taken seriously by more than just enough people to screw everything up, he ought to explain the reasons behind his 180-degree turns regarding Hillary, abortion, and immigration policy over the last half dozen years.
    Until he does that (fat effing chance) I’m hoping people like Jonah Goldberg and Kevin Williamson keep exposing him for the unprincipled huckster that he is.

    I think the essential part of this trick is to nudge Trump into making  big enough mistakes to preclude what I now think is an likely jump to a third-party run.

    Finally, I thought it was a great GLoP podcast. I can understand how people who have swallowed Trump’s line–and once swallowed a similar line from Ross Perot–might squirm a little while listening.

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  12. Jojo Inactive
    Jojo
    @TheDowagerJojo

    T-Fiks:If Donald Trump wants to be taken seriously by more than just enough people to screw everything up, he ought to explain the reasons behind his 180-degree turns regarding Hillary, abortion, and immigration policy over the last half dozen years. Until he does that (fat effing chance) I’m hoping people like Jonah Goldberg and Kevin Williamson keep exposing him for the unprincipled huckster that he is.

    I think the essential part of this trick is to nudge Trump into making big enough mistakes to preclude what I now think is an likely jump to a third-party run.

    Finally, I thought it was a great GLoP podcast. I can understand how people who have swallowed Trump’s line–and once swallowed a similar line from Ross Perot–might squirm a little while listening.

    Perot’s line and situation were not similar, I doubt there is much commonality between Perot and Trump voters (if there even are any Trump voters), and “squirm” is not my reaction to being called a “White jerk.”  An understanding that somebody is indeed a jerk, and  hostile to my interests and viewpoint, is my reaction.

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  13. RPD Inactive
    RPD
    @RPD

    kylez:I was only 11 in 1992 and have never heard that thing about Bush interrupting Perot’s daughter’s wedding and Perot’s revenge. What was that?

    “white jerk voter” sounds pretty good to me now.

    I was 28 in 1992 and this is the first I’ve heard of it too. Checking around the internet, it seems that Perot ran for President, then dropped out over some imagined plot by Bush to embarrass his daughter at his wedding, then got back in the race too late to recover his momentum.  I’m not sure what really happened other than i don’t think JPod rally knows what he’s talking about.

    Going over Perot’s positions listed in the Wiki article still sound pretty good to me.

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  14. David Knights Member
    David Knights
    @DavidKnights

    Hi, I’m David and I voted for Perot in 92 (Chorus, “Hi David”)

    I did it, like many folks, due to Bush 41’s idiocy of believing the Democrats when they said, “Break your no new taxes pledge and we promise we’ll control spending.” [Insert image of Lucy once again pulling the football away.]

    That said, J-pod was uber insulting on this podcast, as was K-Will the last time.  I’ll take being governed by 435 “rubes” picked from a small town in Texas over being ruled over by the 435 politicians we have now.  Also, the “white jerk voters” are right.  Also, are we now the left and have to insert race into every conversation? J-pod would do well to move out of New York and spend a could of years living in suburban Indianapolis or Kansas City, though I suspect deep in his heart, he would rather see Hillary elected than endure such a torture.

    I do believe that Rob’s theory about Trump being a closet Hillary plot could be correct, though given Trump’s love of money I am not sure I see him willingly squandering the amount of money this will take just to get Hillary in office, unless he sees some big payoff down the road.

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  15. Ricochet Inactive
    Ricochet
    @HNoggin

    I agree. I just joined Ricochet because I believed that there would be a level of respect in the discussions, podcasts, etc. Not sure I will continue to support. However, it has been enlightening to find out who thinks people in the heartland are stupid, and who is mentally classifying some as “white jerks”. I guess that is worth something.

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  16. user_370242 Inactive
    user_370242
    @Mikescapes

    Maybe Trump is angling for an impressive appointment should the Republicans win. The top  contenders should offer him a seat at the table in exchange for him backing off. Perhaps not a cabinet post, but a special envoy for international commercial relations. China? Wow! He’s qualified given his success in business and dealings in world markets. It could be sold to the people after a Republican win. Of course you’d risk him keeping his mouth shut and not acting like secretary of state, but it might be worth the gamble if it keeps him from screwing up Rupublican chances for the presidential race.

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  17. Miffed White Male Member
    Miffed White Male
    @MiffedWhiteMale

    JPod made a reference early in the podcast to the President “running the country”.

    The President runs the GOVERNMENT, not the country, and I like to think (at least until Obama gets through with things) that there’s a difference.

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  18. Majestyk Member
    Majestyk
    @Majestyk

    Jojo:

    Perot’s line and situation were not similar, I doubt there is much commonality between Perot and Trump voters (if there even are any Trump voters), and “squirm” is not my reaction to being called a “White jerk.” An understanding that somebody is indeed a jerk, and hostile to my interests and viewpoint, is my reaction.

    Well, I guess I know who to thank for Bill Clinton’s Presidency, then.  Twice.

    Just sayin’…

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  19. Jojo Inactive
    Jojo
    @TheDowagerJojo

    Majestyk:

    Jojo:

    Perot’s line and situation were not similar, I doubt there is much commonality between Perot and Trump voters (if there even are any Trump voters), and “squirm” is not my reaction to being called a “White jerk.” An understanding that somebody is indeed a jerk, and hostile to my interests and viewpoint, is my reaction.

    Well, I guess I know who to thank for Bill Clinton’s Presidency, then. Twice.

    Just sayin’…

    Just sayin’ it’s worse to have voted for Perot than to call several million voters white jerks?

    I did vote for Dole, and blaming me for both Clinton terms is pushing it since Bush 41 could not have run in 1996.  Well, I was a sucker for a guy who made like he was going to deal with problems that needed to be dealt with, and annoyed by a guy who made like the economy was rosy when my house had lost a quarter of its value in two years.  I might vote differently if I had it to do over, or I might not.

    On the problem-fixing end, Perot supposedly was going to phase out Social Security.  At the time the oldest baby boomers were in their early forties, which made it at least conceivably possible.  That window is gone.

    The Clinton years did not seem that bad to me, due in large part to Gingrich and the Contract with America, probably partially inspired by Perot’s 1992 showing.

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  20. Miffed White Male Member
    Miffed White Male
    @MiffedWhiteMale

    Jojo:

    Well, I was a sucker for a guy who made like he was going to deal with problems that needed to be dealt with,

    This.  I was fairly excited by Perot when he first started flirting with running in 1992.  But it also became clear long before election day that the guy was nuts, so the excitement wore off.

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  21. MarciN Member
    MarciN
    @MarciN

    There are no similarities between Mitt Romney and Donald Trump. None. Zip. Nada.

    Otherwise, I enjoyed the podcast. :)

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  22. user_1050 Member
    user_1050
    @MattBartle

    Wait a minutes, did some say Podhoretz doesn’t get enough speaking time!??

    Or was that irony and I missed it?

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  23. user_28714 Thatcher
    user_28714
    @BarbaraDuran

    I am so fond of the GloP podcasts that I hoard them for when I get a chance to take a walk on a beautiful day and make the event even more pleasurable with the engaging voices of Goldberg, Long and Podhoretz enlightening and amusing me as I stride.  This one was the exception.  Ruined my outing today.  Yes, Trump is a blowhard, a clown and certainly not a conservative.  And yes, I would not vote for him.  Nonetheless, do you realize how inside the Beltway the three of you sounded with your condescension to those of us “Ideocracites” and stupid jerks who cheer his willingness to say what needs to be said? Whether it’s genuine, accidental or feigned, he at least gives voice to us who have none and perhaps encourages other politicians to examine their we-are-all-immigrants banalities and eventual capitulation to the other side. Victor Davis Hansen assesses the loss of his state and the Southwest more elegantly, but not much differently from Trump.  Are his admirers cranky old jerks too?

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  24. Indaba Member
    Indaba
    @

    Matt Bartle:Wait a minutes, did some say Podhoretz doesn’t get enough speaking time!??

    Or was that irony and I missed it?

    actually enjoy Podhoretz and am glad he is enjoying Harry’s razor blades. GLOP is great. When is the next one happening?

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  25. Blue Yeti Admin
    Blue Yeti
    @BlueYeti

    Indaba:

    actually enjoy Podhoretz and am glad he is enjoying Harry’s razor blades. GLOP is great. When is the next one happening?

    Next week.

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  26. Jojo Inactive
    Jojo
    @TheDowagerJojo

    Here’s a fellow who says Mr. Podhoretz’s “white jerk” Perot voters were mostly Democrats.  Or at least, that Perot pulled the majority of his votes from Clinton who would have won bigger without him.

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  27. Indaba Member
    Indaba
    @

    Blue Yeti:

    Indaba:

    actually enjoy Podhoretz and am glad he is enjoying Harry’s razor blades. GLOP is great. When is the next one happening?

    Next week.

    Will be waiting anxiously. Love Mr. P. and his stories.

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  28. Indaba Member
    Indaba
    @

    I also appreciate Mr. P.’s ability to quickly describe the cultural reference being discussed as i do not know them but gan youtube them. Thanks, GLOP.

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