From the Police Blotter: Basic Info on Tasers

 

I’ve heard a lot of legal eagles offer their opinions on various political talk shows on Tasers in the Atlanta shooting.

I’ll try and clarify Taser classification as a weapon. There are two types of weapons under Oregon law. Deadly weapons and dangerous weapons.

A dangerous weapon is any item that was not designed to cause serious physical injury or death, even though it could cause serious physical injury or death. Examples would be a steak knife, chef’s knife, baseball bat, golf club, or an automobile.

A deadly weapon is designed to cause serious physical injury or death. Double-edged dagger, firearm, sword, etc.

A Taser could be defined as a deadly weapon or a dangerous weapon depending upon a state legislature, although it was designed to be a non-lethal means of incapacitating a violent subject. A Taser is capable of causing death in certain circumstances.

A police officer doesn’t have to go to the trunk of his police car and get his city-issued baseball bat if he’s being attacked by a baseball bat wielding subject. He can use his pistol to stop the attack. The same thing applies in an edged weapon attack, or if a suspect tries to Tase him. He gets to move up to the top of the Force Continuum, and use deadly physical force to defend himself.

Does that make sense? I hope so.

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  1. kedavis Coolidge
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    Doug Watt (View Comment):
    My advice to Stacy McCain would be to change his behavior, especially his driving habits. Sometimes people learn the hard way, but at a certain point it should occur to him the man isn’t holding him down. Slow learner.

    And violating probation is not just a “hassle.”  It’s actually another crime.

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  2. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):

    The UK’s Daily Mail ought to have a new masthead slogan: Reporting US news that US media won’t report.

    For example,

    Rayshard Brooks was on probation and faced going back to prison if he was charged with a DUI, DailyMail.com can reveal.
    It was the fear of incarceration that likely caused Brooks to panic in the face of imminent arrest and caused him to make a break for it.

    . . .

    The charges to which Brooks pleaded guilty and for which he was still on probation dated back to August 2014 when he was convicted on four counts – False Imprisonment, Simple Battery/Family, Battery Simple and Felony Cruelty/Cruelty to Children.
    He was tried in Clayton County and sentenced to seven years on the first count, with one year in prison and six on probation and 12 months for each of the other three counts, sentences to be served concurrently.
    His sentence was revised, and he was sent back to prison for 12 months in July 2016 when he violated the terms of his probation.
    Brooks had not been in trouble since that year until last December when he went to Ohio without informing his probation officer and a warrant was issued for his arrest.
    That warrant was revoked and the case dismissed when he returned to Georgia on January 6.

    Could that (combined with being drunk and disinhibited) explain his violent resistance to arrest?

    Stacy McCain comments:

    Have you ever been on probation? Once I got six months probation for driving on a suspended license and it was a bummer. You have to pay a monthly maintenance fee and meet with your probation officer. Talk about feeling like the man is keepin’ you down.

    Most middle-class, college-educated people have never had that kind of involvement with the criminal justice system, and can’t relate to what it’s like, but I can. And because of my habit of high-speed driving, I also know the paranoia of a traffic stop when you’re not sure if there’s a warrant out for you because of a ticket you forgot to pay. So imagine what it was like for Rayshard Brooks being on probation for six years, and having just recently gotten past a hassle over a violation for traveling out of state without informing his probation officer.

    My advice to Stacy McCain would be to change his behavior, especially his driving habits. Sometimes people learn the hard way, but at a certain point it should occur to him the man isn’t holding him down. Slow learner.

    I believe that, aside from the leadfoot, he grew up.

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    kedavis (View Comment):

    DonG (skeptic) (View Comment):

    Doug Watt: A police officer doesn’t have to go to the trunk of his police car and get his city-issued baseball bat if he’s being attacked by a baseball bat wielding subject. He can use his pistol to stop the attack. The same thing applies in an edged weapon attack, or if a suspect tries to Tase him. He gets to move up to the top of the Force Continuum, and use deadly physical force to defend himself.

    I think we can do better than that. The typical person can run about 15 seconds before they get tired quit. Cops should know that. There are two officers and if they stay back 30 feet there is zero risk of the perp getting to a holster. If the cops can’t run for 15 seconds, then go get they car and follow him. How far can he run? And if they lose him, they know where he lives and they have his car.

    There used to be saying in police work, “you can’t outrun Motorola”. The meaning of that is that police communication (speed of light) and coordination are overwhelming enough of an advantage to prevent escape of almost everyone. Patience, communication, coordination should be chosen over shooting people in a chase. Training can overcome the animal emotion and frustration of seeing someone run off, when you have a gun in your hand.

    You can’t stay 30 feet from someone while arresting/handcuffing them.

    And letting an armed person run loose in a neighborhood while the police use their Motorolas…. well, I’m not a fan of that either.

    There should be K-9 units.  No human can outrun a dog and they are really good at “wrestling” with bad guys. 

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    DonG (skeptic) (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    DonG (skeptic) (View Comment):

    Doug Watt: A police officer doesn’t have to go to the trunk of his police car and get his city-issued baseball bat if he’s being attacked by a baseball bat wielding subject. He can use his pistol to stop the attack. The same thing applies in an edged weapon attack, or if a suspect tries to Tase him. He gets to move up to the top of the Force Continuum, and use deadly physical force to defend himself.

    I think we can do better than that. The typical person can run about 15 seconds before they get tired quit. Cops should know that. There are two officers and if they stay back 30 feet there is zero risk of the perp getting to a holster. If the cops can’t run for 15 seconds, then go get they car and follow him. How far can he run? And if they lose him, they know where he lives and they have his car.

    There used to be saying in police work, “you can’t outrun Motorola”. The meaning of that is that police communication (speed of light) and coordination are overwhelming enough of an advantage to prevent escape of almost everyone. Patience, communication, coordination should be chosen over shooting people in a chase. Training can overcome the animal emotion and frustration of seeing someone run off, when you have a gun in your hand.

    You can’t stay 30 feet from someone while arresting/handcuffing them.

    And letting an armed person run loose in a neighborhood while the police use their Motorolas…. well, I’m not a fan of that either.

    There should be K-9 units. No human can outrun a dog and they are really good at “wrestling” with bad guys.

    You mean police dogs?  Like Bull Connor used?

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    kedavis (View Comment):

    DonG (skeptic) (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    DonG (skeptic) (View Comment):

    Doug Watt: A police officer doesn’t have to go to the trunk of his police car and get his city-issued baseball bat if he’s being attacked by a baseball bat wielding subject. He can use his pistol to stop the attack. The same thing applies in an edged weapon attack, or if a suspect tries to Tase him. He gets to move up to the top of the Force Continuum, and use deadly physical force to defend himself.

    I think we can do better than that. The typical person can run about 15 seconds before they get tired quit. Cops should know that. There are two officers and if they stay back 30 feet there is zero risk of the perp getting to a holster. If the cops can’t run for 15 seconds, then go get they car and follow him. How far can he run? And if they lose him, they know where he lives and they have his car.

    There used to be saying in police work, “you can’t outrun Motorola”. The meaning of that is that police communication (speed of light) and coordination are overwhelming enough of an advantage to prevent escape of almost everyone. Patience, communication, coordination should be chosen over shooting people in a chase. Training can overcome the animal emotion and frustration of seeing someone run off, when you have a gun in your hand.

    You can’t stay 30 feet from someone while arresting/handcuffing them.

    And letting an armed person run loose in a neighborhood while the police use their Motorolas…. well, I’m not a fan of that either.

    There should be K-9 units. No human can outrun a dog and they are really good at “wrestling” with bad guys.

    You mean police dogs? Like Bull Connor used?

    That’s an interesting point. Firehoses remain evil but police dogs not so much. 

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