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  1. DrewInWisconsin Doesn't Care Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    The short term loss is that we have to put up with Biden and the Democrats. The long term gain is that we have put a wooden stake through Trumpism. I will go with the long term gain.

    Do you have any memory of what pre-Obama America was like. Do you have any understanding of what 8 years of Democrat rule did to this nation? (I don’t think a lot of people really understand just how much damage was wrought by the Democrats in just 8 years.) And they have accelerated. America cannot survive a Democrat Presidency. You will bring about the end of America. A vote for Biden is a vote for America’s destruction. That might sound alarmist. I don’t think it’s alarmist enough.

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  2. Hoyacon Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    The short term loss is that we have to put up with Biden and the Democrats. The long term gain is that we have put a wooden stake through Trumpism. I will go with the long term gain.

    “We had to destroy the village to save it”.

    I was thinking about using that too, but every attempt came out too rude…

    But what can you say about someone who views eight years, potentially,  of this Democratic Party as a “short term loss”?   That would seem to be the disconnect here.  Well, that and the fact that there is no such thing as “Trumpism.”

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  3. Kozak Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    The short term loss is that we have to put up with Biden and the Democrats. The long term gain is that we have put a wooden stake through Trumpism. I will go with the long term gain.

    “We had to destroy the village to save it”.

    I was thinking about using that too, but every attempt came out too rude…

    As has been pointed out I don’t play nice.

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  4. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… Member
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    Instugator (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Instugator (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    I think that you are incorrect about this. From what I’ve seen about the Breonna Taylor incident, her boyfriend was a suspected associate of drug dealers, or a suspected dealer himself.

    This is incorrect.

    Here are news reports that detail the relationship.

    Ms Taylor and Mr Walker were in Ms Taylor’s home. Mr Walker has a license to carry a gun.

    Ms Taylor had a previous relationship with one of the men listed in the warrant, Jamarcus Glover.

    Mr Glover had been seen by law enforcement picking up a package from Ms Taylor’s house 2 months before the raid.

    Additionally, Mr Glover was arrested on the same warrant 2 hours before the raid at Ms Taylor’s house.

    Mr Walker claimed he was the only one to fire from in the dwelling and that he only fired a single shot. He was arrested and charged with attempted murder of a police officer. That charge has been dropped.

    Can you elaborate? I saw nothing in the linked article that contradicted what I wrote.

    You wrote, “her boyfriend was a suspected associate of drug dealers, or a suspected dealer himself.”

    Present tense would indicate Mr. Walker. Mr Walker is not an associate with her previous boyfriend Mr. Glover.

    OK, I haven’t looked into this recently.

    My impression was that her prior boyfriend, Glover, was the main drug dealer involved.  I did think that Kenneth Walker, Taylor’s boyfriend, had been named on the warrant.  I haven’t seen the warrant, and I may have been mistaken about this.  I stand corrected.

    This article, from a local ABC affiliate, says that Kenneth Walker was not named in the warrant, though Glover and someone named Adrian Walker were named in the warrant.  Perhaps most notably, it turns out that Brionna Taylor was named in the warrant, according to the same article.  Again, I’d like to see the warrant itself, as news reports often turn out to be incorrect.

    This article, apparently from a local Louisville radio station, reports the dismissal of charges against Kenneth Walker for shooting one of the cops.  It says:

    During Friday’s news conference, Wine played audio from interviews with Walker and the officer shot in the incident in which each said there were knocks on the door, and enough time for Walker and Taylor to get dressed before the door was broken down. Still, Walker said he could not hear whoever was speaking on the other side, and did not know they were police.

    “When you look at it and you think what separated these two parties was a door, it’s very possible that there was no criminal activity on either side of that door because people couldn’t hear what the other party was saying,” Wine said.

    I haven’t yet listened to the audio.

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  5. Annefy Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Jon1979 (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    ST. You’ve written so, many times. Because, Trump. Because, Orange Man

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    I am the canary in the coal mine, the Cassandra who is warning of doom. It would be great if I were wrong, however I truly believe that I am not. If we are facing a wipe-out of Jimmy Carter proportions, we better get ready for it.

    That doesn’t wash. You don’t just fear it, and you don’t think it would be great if you were wrong. That’s what you WANT. It’s what you SUPPORT, and intend to, if not actually VOTE FOR, at least NOT to vote AGAINST. You’ve written so, many times. Because, Trump. Because, Orange Man Bad.

    If Gary does get his wish this November, I fully expect him by this time next year to be a non-believer in the free will of man, because he’s not going to own up to any responsibility for what the Biden Administration is doing, and instead will say Trump’s awfulness made him vote for Biden (this is especially true if Arizona goes Blue narrowly, and ends up deciding the election). As I said 100 or so posts ago on this thread, he’s better off just not voting for president, instead of voting for wacky-but-lovable Uncle Joe and then having to own everything the Democrats do from now through 1/20/25.

    I think people who don’t vote FOR Trump STILL have to own everything the Democrats do from now through 1/20/25. If they win.

    The short term loss is that we have to put up with Biden and the Democrats. The long term gain is that we have put a wooden stake through Trumpism. I will go with the long term gain.

    “Put up with” Biden and the Democrats? Your phrasing implies that that will be no big deal. An inconvenience that we should all just power through.  Considering the fact that some of us barely survived the Obama Administration (Obamacare alone had a horrible affect on my family, as did over regulation), I’m hard pressed to imagine that another four/eight years of the same – and quite possibly worse – is even survivable.

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  6. Matt Balzer, Imperialist Claw Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Matt Balzer, Imperialist Claw (View Comment):

    This post is still going on?

    You are invited to not read it.

    Who said I did?

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  7. kedavis Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin Doesn't C… (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    The short term loss is that we have to put up with Biden and the Democrats. The long term gain is that we have put a wooden stake through Trumpism. I will go with the long term gain.

    Do you have any memory of what pre-Obama America was like. Do you have any understanding of what 8 years of Democrat rule did to this nation? (I don’t think a lot of people really understand just how much damage was wrought by the Democrats in just 8 years.) And they have accelerated. America cannot survive a Democrat Presidency. You will bring about the end of America. A vote for Biden is a vote for America’s destruction. That might sound alarmist. I don’t think it’s alarmist enough.

    So is not voting at all.  That point needs to be emphasized too.

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  8. kedavis Coolidge
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    The short term loss is that we have to put up with Biden and the Democrats. The long term gain is that we have put a wooden stake through Trumpism. I will go with the long term gain.

    “We had to destroy the village to save it”.

    I was thinking about using that too, but every attempt came out too rude…

    As has been pointed out I don’t play nice.

    Oh but I was going to be much saltier than just quoting that line.  I wouldn’t have been able to resist it.

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  9. kedavis Coolidge
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    The short term loss is that we have to put up with Biden and the Democrats. The long term gain is that we have put a wooden stake through Trumpism. I will go with the long term gain.

    “We had to destroy the village to save it”.

    I was thinking about using that too, but every attempt came out too rude…

    But what can you say about someone who views eight years, potentially, of this Democratic Party as a “short term loss”? That would seem to be the disconnect here. Well, that and the fact that there is no such thing as “Trumpism.”

    Gary also doesn’t seem to remember that Reagan’s first election was at least almost as much, if not more, of a fluke than Trump’s.  And for similar reasons.  And he doesn’t seem to realize that his “long-term gain” is rather theoretical and may never happen at all, while his “short-term loss” could easily last for decades or even be permanent.

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  10. kedavis Coolidge
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Instugator (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Instugator (View Comment):

    This is incorrect.

    Here are news reports that detail the relationship.

    Ms Taylor and Mr Walker were in Ms Taylor’s home. Mr Walker has a license to carry a gun.

    Ms Taylor had a previous relationship with one of the men listed in the warrant, Jamarcus Glover.

    Mr Glover had been seen by law enforcement picking up a package from Ms Taylor’s house 2 months before the raid.

    Additionally, Mr Glover was arrested on the same warrant 2 hours before the raid at Ms Taylor’s house.

    Mr Walker claimed he was the only one to fire from in the dwelling and that he only fired a single shot. He was arrested and charged with attempted murder of a police officer. That charge has been dropped.

    Can you elaborate? I saw nothing in the linked article that contradicted what I wrote.

    You wrote, “her boyfriend was a suspected associate of drug dealers, or a suspected dealer himself.”

    Present tense would indicate Mr. Walker. Mr Walker is not an associate with her previous boyfriend Mr. Glover.

    OK, I haven’t looked into this recently.

    My impression was that her prior boyfriend, Glover, was the main drug dealer involved. I did think that Kenneth Walker, Taylor’s boyfriend, had been named on the warrant. I haven’t seen the warrant, and I may have been mistaken about this. I stand corrected.

    This article, from a local ABC affiliate, says that Kenneth Walker was not named in the warrant, though Glover and someone named Adrian Walker were named in the warrant. Perhaps most notably, it turns out that Brionna Taylor was named in the warrant, according to the same article. Again, I’d like to see the warrant itself, as news reports often turn out to be incorrect.

    This article, apparently from a local Louisville radio station, reports the dismissal of charges against Kenneth Walker for shooting one of the cops. It says:

    During Friday’s news conference, Wine played audio from interviews with Walker and the officer shot in the incident in which each said there were knocks on the door, and enough time for Walker and Taylor to get dressed before the door was broken down. Still, Walker said he could not hear whoever was speaking on the other side, and did not know they were police.

    “When you look at it and you think what separated these two parties was a door, it’s very possible that there was no criminal activity on either side of that door because people couldn’t hear what the other party was saying,” Wine said.

    I haven’t yet listened to the audio.

    Next up:  government-mandated “Ring” video doorbells with chatting.

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  11. kedavis Coolidge
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    Annefy (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Jon1979 (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    ST. You’ve written so, many times. Because, Trump. Because, Orange Man

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    I am the canary in the coal mine, the Cassandra who is warning of doom. It would be great if I were wrong, however I truly believe that I am not. If we are facing a wipe-out of Jimmy Carter proportions, we better get ready for it.

    That doesn’t wash. You don’t just fear it, and you don’t think it would be great if you were wrong. That’s what you WANT. It’s what you SUPPORT, and intend to, if not actually VOTE FOR, at least NOT to vote AGAINST. You’ve written so, many times. Because, Trump. Because, Orange Man Bad.

    If Gary does get his wish this November, I fully expect him by this time next year to be a non-believer in the free will of man, because he’s not going to own up to any responsibility for what the Biden Administration is doing, and instead will say Trump’s awfulness made him vote for Biden (this is especially true if Arizona goes Blue narrowly, and ends up deciding the election). As I said 100 or so posts ago on this thread, he’s better off just not voting for president, instead of voting for wacky-but-lovable Uncle Joe and then having to own everything the Democrats do from now through 1/20/25.

    I think people who don’t vote FOR Trump STILL have to own everything the Democrats do from now through 1/20/25. If they win.

    The short term loss is that we have to put up with Biden and the Democrats. The long term gain is that we have put a wooden stake through Trumpism. I will go with the long term gain.

    “Put up with” Biden and the Democrats? Your phrasing implies that that will be no big deal. An inconvenience that we should all just power through. Considering the fact that some of us barely survived the Obama Administration (Obamacare alone had a horrible affect on my family, as did over regulation), I’m hard pressed to imagine that another four/eight years of the same – and quite possibly worse – is even survivable.

    Gary is a lawyer.  He’ll survive.  Unless maybe he gets sent out to mediate those “domestic dispute” calls that the police will no longer be handling.

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  12. DrewInWisconsin Doesn't Care Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    Gary also doesn’t seem to remember that Reagan’s first election was at least almost as much, if not more, of a fluke than Trump’s.

    Or how strongly the establishment (e.g., the Bushies) opposed Reagan.

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  13. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    As usual, @garyrobbins refuses to face challenges and answer them. He cuts and pastes and ignores things he does not want to respond too. 

    It is not in the spirit of debate, but in fact, just bomb throwing. Bomb Throwing rewarded, it seems, by Ricochet. 

     

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  14. philo Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    As usual, @garyrobbins refuses to face challenges and answer them. He cuts and pastes and ignores things he does not want to respond too.

    It is not in the spirit of debate, but in fact, just bomb throwing. Bomb Throwing rewarded, it seems, by Ricochet.

     

    But, presume good faith, you must.

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  15. Franco Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    The short term loss is that we have to put up with Biden and the Democrats. The long term gain is that we have put a wooden stake through Trumpism. I will go with the long term gain.

    This is where Gary and his cohorts are, once again, spectacularly wrong. “Trumpism” is here to stay – at least until certain essential things are resolved. This is beyond one man. This will be more of an issue – not less of one – if Trump loses in 2020 ( as of now I don’t think that will happen).

    It’s this kind of analysis and approach that got us here. After 2012 loss, they said we just need to capitulate on immigration to get the Hispanic vote. Idiots all. 

     

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  16. DrewInWisconsin Doesn't Care Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    It is not in the spirit of debate, but in fact, just bomb throwing. Bomb Throwing rewarded, it seems, by Ricochet.

    Ricochet is in the comment business.

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  17. Columbo Inactive
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    As usual, @garyrobbins refuses to face challenges and answer them. He cuts and pastes and ignores things he does not want to respond too.

    It is not in the spirit of debate, but in fact, just bomb throwing. Bomb Throwing rewarded, it seems, by Ricochet.

     

    Post of the Week!

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  18. Gary Robbins Member
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    I note that a couple of people have chastised me for not responding to them.  Three hours ago I took my leave writing in Comment #323: 

    We have long ago left the purpose and theme of this post and have degenerated into “Anti-Anti-Trump” and “Orange Man Bad Bad.” It is time for me to take my leave.

    A cursory glance at the last 24 comments reaffirm that I made the right decision.  

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  19. kedavis Coolidge
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    Columbo (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    As usual, @garyrobbins refuses to face challenges and answer them. He cuts and pastes and ignores things he does not want to respond too.

    It is not in the spirit of debate, but in fact, just bomb throwing. Bomb Throwing rewarded, it seems, by Ricochet.

     

    Post of the Week!

    But that’s a comment, not a post.

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  20. DrewInWisconsin Doesn't Care Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I note that a couple of people have chastised me for not responding to them. Three hours ago I took my leave writing in Comment #323:

    We have long ago left the purpose and theme of this post and have degenerated into “Anti-Anti-Trump” and “Orange Man Bad Bad.” It is time for me to take my leave.

    A cursory glance at the last 24 comments reaffirm that I made the right decision.

    Er . . . I’m confused. Did you flounce or nah?

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  21. Miffed White Male Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    As usual, @garyrobbins refuses to face challenges and answer them. He cuts and pastes and ignores things he does not want to respond too.

    It is not in the spirit of debate, but in fact, just bomb throwing. Bomb Throwing rewarded, it seems, by Ricochet.

     

    And then he bails out because it’s too contentious.

     

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  22. DrewInWisconsin Doesn't Care Member
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    And then he bails out because it’s too contentious.

    It was contentious from the very first post. He posted it for the purposes of riling people up. This is known as trolling.

    A troll post was the Post of the Week. So now you know how to get Post of the Week on Ricochet: TROLL

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  23. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    DrewInWisconsin Doesn't C… (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    It is not in the spirit of debate, but in fact, just bomb throwing. Bomb Throwing rewarded, it seems, by Ricochet.

    Ricochet is in the comment business.

    Ricochet is in the destroy the Republic so it can suck up to Conservative Inc. Business. 

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  24. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I note that a couple of people have chastised me for not responding to them. Three hours ago I took my leave writing in Comment #323:

    We have long ago left the purpose and theme of this post and have degenerated into “Anti-Anti-Trump” and “Orange Man Bad Bad.” It is time for me to take my leave.

    A cursory glance at the last 24 comments reaffirm that I made the right decision.

    You never respond to the things that will make you look bad. Never. 

    It is your way, Gary. I think much less of you because of it. 

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  25. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    philo (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    As usual, @garyrobbins refuses to face challenges and answer them. He cuts and pastes and ignores things he does not want to respond too.

    It is not in the spirit of debate, but in fact, just bomb throwing. Bomb Throwing rewarded, it seems, by Ricochet.

    But, presume good faith, you must.

    I Will Not because it is clear it is misplaced. Good Faith debate would mean that @garyrobbins would respond. He does not.

    Maybe what Scott and Rob want is lots of comments. Maybe that is what James wants too. I guess we give it to them.

    I think that is sick.

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  26. DrewInWisconsin Doesn't Care Member
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    People just need to avoid the temptation to respond to him.

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  27. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    DrewInWisconsin Doesn't C… (View Comment):

    People just need to avoid the temptation to respond to him.

    Never. His crap cannot stand. Especially if promoted to the main feed. People have to see him for what he is. If he is on the main feed all the more reason to counter him.

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  28. DrewInWisconsin Doesn't Care Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin Doesn’t C… (View Comment):

    People just need to avoid the temptation to respond to him.

    Never. His crap cannot stand. Especially if promoted to the main feed. People have to see him for what he is. If he is on the main feed all the more reason to counter him.

    Definitely if he’s on the main feed. But otherwise, . . . yeah, best ignored. And I include myself in that call to ignore.

    Ricochet really does have a NeverTrump reputation on the right. Every time a Ricochet post ends up on Instapundit, the commenters immediately tag us as NeverTrumpers. No matter what the post is about.

    So Ricochet is going to have to do a lot of work to overcome that reputation. Promoting this post is not the way to do it. Highlighting Bill Kristol or Jonah Goldberg is not the way to do it.  But it’s quite possible that Ricochet encourages this reputation. Even though the people who keep the comments flowing tend to be supporters of the President.

    And especially in the current climate, who wants to be on the side of Democrats, eh?

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  29. Jdetente Member
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    DrewInWisconsin Doesn't C… (View Comment):

    People just need to avoid the temptation to respond to him.

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  30. lowtech redneck Coolidge
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    Jdetente (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin Doesn’t C… (View Comment):

    People just need to avoid the temptation to respond to him.

    Meh, ‘boomer’ conservatives may be clueless about certain things compared to younger conservatives (for example, how many saw this coming before it was too late?), but the younger generations are much less conservative overall, so I don’t think we have any particular room to criticize.

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