Day 66: COVID-19 Numidiocy

 

I don’t know whether the word coinage “numidiocy” is unique to me. It is a contraction of number idiocy. That is, whenever numbers get so numerous that it ceases to convey clear and useful information. I am not autistic. I lack the focus (and likely the faculties) to scan tables and graphs and inerrantly sense the important from the irrelevant. I hear the arguments that people make for how to order the significance of this datum versus that. In the screengrabs above I have ordered them by “active cases,” for instance, believing that “total cases” do not necessarily best reflect the present challenge.

And then there is the time element. In the screen grabs above I show Yesterday versus Now. This Worldometer chart is updated continuously as and when information is available. The current counting restarts daily at 0:00 UTC, which is 8 p.m. EDT and 5 p.m. PDT. Imagine each column that includes “new” in the header being a bucket into which water is poured and measured throughout the day with the water coming from lots of vessels of varying sizes being dumped at various hours of the day. Then the bucket is kicked over and emptied and the filling begins again.

So screengrabs of tables at random times tells of a moment, but it doesn’t provide context. And that is why graphs can be useful. @snirtler focused my attention on 91-DIVOC that provides some outstanding graphical displays of information. (91-DIVOC reflecting COVID-19; clever, right?) It lets you slice and dice data, time, place, numbers, and trends both in linear and log form. It wonderfully juxtaposes information about countries and US states in a seemingly useful manner until I realized what it wasn’t showing me and the data noise that it was.

In each chart, there is a dashed line — straight in the log presentation, curved in the linear presentation. That line represents 1.35 daily growth:

In nearly every country in the world, when the virus reaches 100 people the number of cases begins to increase by 35% daily. (Dashed black line.)

With that dashed line in place, you can clearly see countries or US states progress through time at either greater or less than 1.35 growth. The implications are clear: Countries and states with sustained growths above 1.35 are moving into greater difficulty; countries and states below 1.35 are moving into lesser difficulty. The charts comparing countries and states by population start to add noise because what does it mean that Vatican City and San Marino are so far above the 1.35 line on a per capita basis? (Somebody really needs to work on the dataset for these small places.)

As I stared at these charts I began to ask myself what is the marginal utility of the data? Yes, countries and states above the dashed line are having more cases, more deaths than they would have if they were below the line. But where is the “existential threat” line for that country or state? Where is the line where the health system fails? Where is the line for a set of cascading events that condemns them to a season of desolation and of indeterminate length? And the placement of those lines varies by locality, not just country or state.

I think it was back in the ’90s when the concept of a “dashboard” for management came into vogue. Like driving a car there would be a limited number of data outputs — speed, temperature, battery, RPM– that could be quickly scanned to determine that things are running just fine. Yes, there could be warning lights lit when the system said some combination of events were not in order. (A “check engine” light begs inquiry, it doesn’t render a verdict.) And senior managers would gather periodically to review the color-coded dashboards that reflected algorithms fashioned within the bowels of the various departments and operations. This was considered state of the art management.

But we all know the “decision makers” were far away from the point where things went wrong. The line mechanic, if properly trained, could see where welds were failing, where lubricants through addition of grit and incessant thermal assault had lost their ability to do the job. But the mechanic did not control supply chain for needed maintenance, the budget for supplies, the credit line that secured funds when revenues were unsteady. Somewhere in the dashboard the data all came together as green, yellow or red. The check engine light lit, or it didn’t.

Crash scene investigators exist because either our dashboards are faulty, misunderstood, or ignored. Sometimes all three.

[Note: Links to all my COVID-19 posts can be found here.]

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  1. MISTER BITCOIN Inactive
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    Ed G. (View Comment):

    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

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    DonG (skeptic) (View Comment):

    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):

    3 million filed for unemployment this week.

    are we willing to accept this trade off?

    I vote no

    Jules PA (View Comment):

    DonG (skeptic) (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    her hospital now has a COVID wing and that their policy is to check into the hospital anyone who tests positive, regardless of seriousness of symptoms.

    Cha-ching!

    Except to create that wing the hospital probably stopped all elective procedures. Hospitals are going to end up broke, if they weren’t already.

    Most hospitals are “non profits” or public. Only 26% are for-profit. They are a reliable cash cow that take in $1.3T/year growing at 5.5%. Hospitals are amazing growth industry and will gladly rent you a bed for $5K/night. It is very hard to go broke with so much tax dollars being thrown around.

     

    Most hospitals are poorly managed. Too much overhead. Far too reliant on Medicare and Medicaid reimbursements.

     

    Agreed. It’s also more difficult to pull off than specialized components like ASC’s, imaging centers, etc. On the other hand they have some things going for them too: they get favorable reimbursement rates over other types of providers (even for the same services). Plus they have more political and economic clout than other healthcare providers.

     

    why is there a hospital shortage if hospitals are cash cows?

    hospitals are not cash cows or profit centers.

     

    I didn’t say that, and I dont know that there is a shortage of hospitals. I do know that many states and localities have some king community need standards before they ok any medical facilities (like ASC’s).

     

    in california, you have to demonstrate a ‘certificate of need’, which makes it impossible to build new hospitals

     

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  2. MISTER BITCOIN Inactive
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

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    I took the only known sample I know of where they tested random people instead of just sick people, in Iceland. They are finding that about 1/2 of all people coming up positive for the virus are not exhibiting any symptoms. The other half are.

    I believe the incidence of asymptomatic infection on the Diamond Princess was also approximately 50% (51% of 619 individuals). If I read the most recent analysis of that population correctly, the likelihood of a false negative test appears to be significantly greater for asymptomatic individuals, suggesting that the asymptomatic or very mildly symptomatic population could be larger than the numbers suggest.

    i believe the number infected was slightly above 700

     

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  3. MISTER BITCOIN Inactive
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    I took the only known sample I know of where they tested random people instead of just sick people, in Iceland. They are finding that about 1/2 of all people coming up positive for the virus are not exhibiting any symptoms. The other half are.

    I believe the incidence of asymptomatic infection on the Diamond Princess was also approximately 50% (51% of 619 individuals). If I read the most recent analysis of that population correctly, the likelihood of a false negative test appears to be significantly greater for asymptomatic individuals, suggesting that the asymptomatic or very mildly symptomatic population could be larger than the numbers suggest.

    Or does it mean that it is not a novel virus after all? That’s what I keep wondering. It seems possible to me that that is the error the biologists may be making and that the immune system in some people is recognizing this virus.

    south korea changed its pandemic strategy after the sars ‘pandemic’ in 2003.

    sars is a type of corona virus.

    covid-19 is also a type of corona virus.

    i agree it is different but not ‘novel’.

    or its novelty is being overstated.

     

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    DonG (skeptic) (View Comment):

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    3 million filed for unemployment this week.

    are we willing to accept this trade off?

    I vote no

    Jules PA (View Comment):

    DonG (skeptic) (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    her hospital now has a COVID wing and that their policy is to check into the hospital anyone who tests positive, regardless of seriousness of symptoms.

    Cha-ching!

    Except to create that wing the hospital probably stopped all elective procedures. Hospitals are going to end up broke, if they weren’t already.

    Most hospitals are “non profits” or public. Only 26% are for-profit. They are a reliable cash cow that take in $1.3T/year growing at 5.5%. Hospitals are amazing growth industry and will gladly rent you a bed for $5K/night. It is very hard to go broke with so much tax dollars being thrown around.

     

    Most hospitals are poorly managed. Too much overhead. Far too reliant on Medicare and Medicaid reimbursements.

     

    Agreed. It’s also more difficult to pull off than specialized components like ASC’s, imaging centers, etc. On the other hand they have some things going for them too: they get favorable reimbursement rates over other types of providers (even for the same services). Plus they have more political and economic clout than other healthcare providers.

     

    why is there a hospital shortage if hospitals are cash cows?

    hospitals are not cash cows or profit centers.

     

    I didn’t say that, and I dont know that there is a shortage of hospitals. I do know that many states and localities have some king community need standards before they ok any medical facilities (like ASC’s).

    There are a lot of ways in which medicine is prevented from responding to market forces. Hyper-regulated industries that derive a lot of their revenue from government sources are generally poor examples of the invisible hand in action.

     

    regulation = visible hand

    regulation distorts the market, sometimes slightly, usually a lot, and not in a good way.

    regulation reduces competition by increasing the barrier to entry.

    regulation chops off the invisible hand.

     

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  5. Gazpacho Grande' Coolidge
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    DonG (skeptic) (View Comment):

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    3 million filed for unemployment this week.

    are we willing to accept this trade off?

    I vote no

    Jules PA (View Comment):

    DonG (skeptic) (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    her hospital now has a COVID wing and that their policy is to check into the hospital anyone who tests positive, regardless of seriousness of symptoms.

    Cha-ching!

    Except to create that wing the hospital probably stopped all elective procedures. Hospitals are going to end up broke, if they weren’t already.

    Most hospitals are “non profits” or public. Only 26% are for-profit. They are a reliable cash cow that take in $1.3T/year growing at 5.5%. Hospitals are amazing growth industry and will gladly rent you a bed for $5K/night. It is very hard to go broke with so much tax dollars being thrown around.

    The hospital I worked at (a non profit) had a mandated/target ROI of 3.4% – meaning during the annual budgeting cycle, the budgets were set to meet that estimated margin.

    Depending on the hospital, these aren’t big pools of Monopoly cash they’re swimming in, ready to throw down 100 million to fund a new wing so they can increase bed and charging availability.  Note that the regulatory environment for hospitals varies from state to state, so your mileage may vary.

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    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):

    DonG (skeptic) (View Comment):

    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):

    3 million filed for unemployment this week.

    are we willing to accept this trade off?

    I vote no

    Jules PA (View Comment):

    DonG (skeptic) (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    her hospital now has a COVID wing and that their policy is to check into the hospital anyone who tests positive, regardless of seriousness of symptoms.

    Cha-ching!

    Except to create that wing the hospital probably stopped all elective procedures. Hospitals are going to end up broke, if they weren’t already.

    Most hospitals are “non profits” or public. Only 26% are for-profit. They are a reliable cash cow that take in $1.3T/year growing at 5.5%. Hospitals are amazing growth industry and will gladly rent you a bed for $5K/night. It is very hard to go broke with so much tax dollars being thrown around.

     

    Most hospitals are poorly managed. Too much overhead. Far too reliant on Medicare and Medicaid reimbursements.

     

    Agreed. It’s also more difficult to pull off than specialized components like ASC’s, imaging centers, etc. On the other hand they have some things going for them too: they get favorable reimbursement rates over other types of providers (even for the same services). Plus they have more political and economic clout than other healthcare providers.

    Medicaid reimbursements are low.

    Medicare is getting lower every year.

    Much depends on the zip code.

    poor zip codes get lower reimbursements which exacerbates the financial strain.

     

    Yeah, I don’t get the “reimbursements” thing.  They reimburse below cost, which is why private insurance rates go up so much, annually – it’s to cover the shortfall, as most hospitals are a mix of patients on different types of insurance.  

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  7. Ed G. Member
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    Gazpacho Grande' (View Comment):

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    Ed G. (View Comment):

    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):

    DonG (skeptic) (View Comment):

    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):

    3 million filed for unemployment this week.

    are we willing to accept this trade off?

    I vote no

    Jules PA (View Comment):

    DonG (skeptic) (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    her hospital now has a COVID wing and that their policy is to check into the hospital anyone who tests positive, regardless of seriousness of symptoms.

    Cha-ching!

    Except to create that wing the hospital probably stopped all elective procedures. Hospitals are going to end up broke, if they weren’t already.

    Most hospitals are “non profits” or public. Only 26% are for-profit. They are a reliable cash cow that take in $1.3T/year growing at 5.5%. Hospitals are amazing growth industry and will gladly rent you a bed for $5K/night. It is very hard to go broke with so much tax dollars being thrown around.

     

    Most hospitals are poorly managed. Too much overhead. Far too reliant on Medicare and Medicaid reimbursements.

     

    Agreed. It’s also more difficult to pull off than specialized components like ASC’s, imaging centers, etc. On the other hand they have some things going for them too: they get favorable reimbursement rates over other types of providers (even for the same services). Plus they have more political and economic clout than other healthcare providers.

    Medicaid reimbursements are low.

    Medicare is getting lower every year.

    Much depends on the zip code.

    poor zip codes get lower reimbursements which exacerbates the financial strain.

     

    Yeah, I don’t get the “reimbursements” thing. They reimburse below cost, which is why private insurance rates go up so much, annually – it’s to cover the shortfall, as most hospitals are a mix of patients on different types of insurance.

    Who reimburses below cost? Medicare and Medicaid? Yes that’s often true. It depends on the specific procedure, the cost structure, the quality of management, etc. 

    It’s also true that private insurers tend to key reimbursement rates off of Medicare reimbursement rates (usually some multiple of the Medicare rate) with carve outs for particular procedures as negotiated between the provider and the carrier. I’m not so sure that there’s a direct link between Medicare reimbursement rates to providers and insurance carrier premium rates to patients. It’s all indirectly related, but there are so many factors involved.

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    Where is the data of CV-19 deaths by location – people in their homes…people in nursing homes…people in hospitals…people in ICUs – by age and whether they had other underlying or active medical conditions – like cancer, respiratory conditions, diabetes, heart disease, kidney issues (on dialysis) or other health- or immune-compromising issues?

    Unless that specific data starts to become published, then universal numbers that treat all segments equally only serves to propagate a panic narrative.

    There is a reason that Italy has been adversely affected and why the virus ran rampant in a nursing home in Seattle – because nearly all of the victims were elderly with other underlying conditions and in a facility where the virus could easily and quickly propagate amongst the staff and introduced by visitors who were relatively resistant to the effects of the virus.

    There…I feel better now.

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  9. Kozak Member
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    As of 5pm Monday North Carolina on lockdown thru April 29.

     

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    Rodin (View Comment):

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    Rodin: The charts comparing countries and states by population start to add noise because what does it mean that Vatican City and San Marino are so far above the 1.35 line on a per capita basis?

    Doesn’t it simply mean that they are extremely small populations with high population density? Vatican City is a city and thus could be compared statistically to other cities. How does it compare to Rome, Milan, or New York City?

    Even I didn’t realize just how small Vatican City’s population is. The CIA World Factbook estimates it at about 1,000 people. Even for a city, that’s tiny.

    Also, the CIA doesn’t offer its usual statistic of median age, but Vatican City is mostly populated by old men (clergy).

    That considered, I thank the Lord it hasn’t been hit harder by disease.

    There is a problem with Worldometer calculation of Total Cases/1 Million population for places under 1 million in population. Vatican city has ~1,000 occupants and 4 cases. This should be .004 per million not “4,994”. And since 91-COVID is drawing on Worldometer tables, this error is injected into their graphs as well.

    Nope 4 casses  in 1000= 4000 in 1/million.

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    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):

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    I took the only known sample I know of where they tested random people instead of just sick people, in Iceland. They are finding that about 1/2 of all people coming up positive for the virus are not exhibiting any symptoms. The other half are.

    I believe the incidence of asymptomatic infection on the Diamond Princess was also approximately 50% (51% of 619 individuals). If I read the most recent analysis of that population correctly, the likelihood of a false negative test appears to be significantly greater for asymptomatic individuals, suggesting that the asymptomatic or very mildly symptomatic population could be larger than the numbers suggest.

    Or does it mean that it is not a novel virus after all? That’s what I keep wondering. It seems possible to me that that is the error the biologists may be making and that the immune system in some people is recognizing this virus.

    south korea changed its pandemic strategy after the sars ‘pandemic’ in 2003.

    sars is a type of corona virus.

    covid-19 is also a type of corona virus.

    i agree it is different but not ‘novel’.

    or its novelty is being overstated.

     

    It’s novel in that “this particular RNA sequence in the genome” has never been seen before.

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    Shouldn’t lockdown be determined by county vs state? 
    New York State seems fine outside of New York City 

    100 percent quarantine is overkill. Not everyone should stay home. I bet 50 percent would achieve the same benefit. Maybe people could rotate by day or week. I was joking this morning let Democrats stay home while Republicans can go out. Let’s see what happens 

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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

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    Not only that, but commonsense tells you that if half of the entire British population were sick, somebody would have noticed by now.

    50% infection doesn’t mean half the population is sick.

    Even assuming that 1/2 of people do not show symptoms, then surely a sickness affecting 1/4 of the population would not be missed.

    What evidence do you have for your assumption that only 1/2 of people infected do not show symptoms?

    Many people are arguing that not all people who are infected are showing symptoms or sickness, so I took the only known sample I know of where they tested random people instead of just sick people, in Iceland. They are finding that about 1/2 of all people coming up positive for the virus are not exhibiting any symptoms. The other half are.

    https://english.alarabiya.net/en/features/2020/03/25/Coronavirus-Iceland-s-mass-testing-finds-half-of-carriers-show-no-symptoms

    https://www.dailysabah.com/world/europe/icelands-mass-testing-shows-half-of-covid-19-carriers-have-no-symptoms

     

    Steven,

    Thanks, good info.

    Mark

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