Day 55: COVID-19 Pandemic

 

156 countries and territories now reporting COVID-19 cases. One case is now reported on Reunion Island. You may recall my mentioning that a crowd showed up at the port demanding that an arriving cruise ship have passengers screened before letting them disembark for their onshore excursions. Police controlled the crowd and permitted the passengers to load on to buses to begin their tour. The crowd pelted both the police and buses with rocks. No doubt the participants in that public display are now feeling justified. Of course, whether the source of contagion was the cruise ship or one of the many daily flights to Reunion will likely never be known.

In the screen grab above I want to direct your attention to Switzerland. The cases per million of population in Switzerland is 256.2. Only Italy at 349.9 is higher. Switzerland had less than 10 cases on February 28.

The stealth nature of the virus causing COVID-19 is key to the rapid spread of contagion. Although many viruses have asymptomatic contagion periods, the virus that causes COVID-19 has a much longer one ~14 days (with outliers at 27 days). This permits people without symptoms to spread the virus unknowingly for a very long time. And some of the spreaders will never know it because they will never become ill themselves. This is not unique to this virus, various flu viruses also occupy hosts without causing illness. A 2014 study of H1N1 influenza in Taiwanese school children estimated that between 56-80% of the subjects were infected without ever becoming ill (Hsieh Y, Tsai C, Lin C, et al. Asymptomatic ratio for seasonal H1N1 influenza infection among schoolchildren in Taiwan. BMC Infect Dis 2014;14: 80. doi: 10.1186/1471-2334-14-80.) A new un-peer reviewed draft study of Japanese nationals repatriated from Wuhan, China using similar methodology to the 2014 study estimates about a third of infected persons will not become ill. So within any given population some number will never be infected, another cohort will be infected without becoming ill, others will have mild illnesses and recover, fewer will become severely ill and recover, and some number will become ill and either have lasting effects (still unquantified) or die.

Given there is so much more to be known and the capacity of health care may be challenged, people are freaking out. Craig Medred, an Alaskan freelance reporter, has written about the response to the COVID-19 threat in Alaska. Those of us who have consumed various “reality” shows about rugged Alaskan individualists can be forgiven for believing that Alaska would be the last place you would find a freak out in progress. But as Medred reports, urban dwellers in Anchorage and Fairbanks have more in common with urban dwellers in the lower 48 than they do with the forest-dwellers that commute via float plane.

Worldometer news updates can be found here. I encourage you to examine the entire page today. You’ll not only get anecdotes like the Hawaii case (below) but also timeline and other information about the disease generally. You will also note that the news has gotten so great in volume that archiving is already in process.

2 new cases in Hawaii (on Maui and Oahu). Details have emerged regarding the latest 2 cases in Kauai: a couple who had traveled from Indiana arriving in Maui on March 2. Shortly after their arrival, one of the visitors developed a fever, shortness of breath and cough and went to an urgent care facility. On March 7, the second visitor also developed symptoms and went to urgent care. A day later, both of the visitors flew to Kauai, staying at the Kauai Marriott, and on March 9, one of the visitors visited again an urgent care facility. Finally, on March 12, the two informed health care workers that they had close contact with an individual who had tested positive for coronavirus. 2 health care workers in Maui and 1 in Kauai are now in self-isolation because they were not wearing protective equipment [source]

[Note: Links to all my COVID-19 posts can be found here.]

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  1. MarciN Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):
    What a shame we have not done a better job promoting flu shots. I read in WSJ that only about 50 percent of us got them this year.

    I didn’t. When I tried to explain to my doctor why I was reluctant and when my doctor continued to misrepresent my reservations back at me, I decided it wasn’t worth arguing about and just went without.

    Somewhere, a couple of days ago, I read on YouTube about a study showing that the flu shot increased your chance of getting generic coronavirus disease by 1.36 times. This wasn’t about COVID-19, because we don’t have those data, but about all coronaviruses lumped together. I remember being puzzled by that way of expressing the effect, but I now can’t find the video. Actually, I found the channel, but not the place where this was said. After seeing it I had asked Mrs R if she had her flu shot this year, and then told her about this. I’m pretty sure I didn’t imagine that part, but I wish I could find it again because I have some questions about it.

    I’ve been seeing this too. I’m wondering too if we haven’t somehow screwed up the human immune system, but I still say with every fiber in my being that a flu shot is the best defense against this bug at this moment in human history. 

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  2. Aaron Miller Inactive
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    I’m a reclusive person by nature. This year, I resolved to get out more and meet more people. Maybe next year.

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  3. Jason Obermeyer Member
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    DonG (skeptic) (View Comment):

    In the Friday presser with Trump, the lady doctor (forgot her name) said the reason the CDC didn’t use the Korean test was that it had 4% false positive. That is true and knowing that Korea has tested 100,000 people, with 8000 diagnosed it might be that half of their cases are false. The US test is supposed to better, 1%-2%. If we test 1M people that will be a lot of false positives. This might be one reason to add conditions to getting a test.

    Alternately we start by using the Korean test until we develop the more accurate test.

    Again, you don’t lose a crucial 6 weeks of containment.

    “Amesh Adalja, senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, cautioned that the public shouldn’t view the government’s response as a failure, because that could create distrust of future public health measures.

    “There is a real danger in the public believing they had failed,” Adalja said. “This is a respiratory spread virus with efficient community spread and as such it’s not containable. It is not as if the containment failed, it was never going to be successful.””

    Containment was never going to happen. 

    People: We needed to implement the containment strategies of XXXX.

    Reality: XXXX also develops a number of cases in line with everyone else.

    People: We need more pointless health security theater!

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  4. colleenb Member
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    This couple from Indiana sounds almost “Typhoid Mary”ish. Close contact with a COVID-19 person and (1) they go on their vaca, (2) upon getting off plane they have the COVID-19 symptoms but DON’T tell the health people about their close contact, (3) they get on another plane, (4) they again get COVID-19 symptoms and finally fess up the health authorities. Sheesh – and I thought people from the Midwest were saner that the coastal types. Hmmm – are they by any chance academics? Finally, @Rodin, I’m throwing out this completely (and probably wacky) idea: Could being on an airplane with its forced air push the virus deeper into a person’s lungs therefore helping them to get sick and spread the virus around? It seems like the spreading of most cases are air travel related but I assume its just our modern way. Again, thanks so much for keeping us informed and also introducing me to the Worldometer. Stay healthy @Rodin!

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  5. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    Our good neighbors to the north:

    Maybe we need a wall between us and a country that would elect Trudeau.


    update:

    Ooops. The above tweet and comment was supposed to follow this:

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  6. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):
    What a shame we have not done a better job promoting flu shots. I read in WSJ that only about 50 percent of us got them this year.

    I didn’t. When I tried to explain to my doctor why I was reluctant and when my doctor continued to misrepresent my reservations back at me, I decided it wasn’t worth arguing about and just went without.

    Somewhere, a couple of days ago, I read on YouTube about a study showing that the flu shot increased your chance of getting generic coronavirus disease by 1.36 times. This wasn’t about COVID-19, because we don’t have those data, but about all coronaviruses lumped together. I remember being puzzled by that way of expressing the effect, but I now can’t find the video. Actually, I found the channel, but not the place where this was said. After seeing it I had asked Mrs R if she had her flu shot this year, and then told her about this. I’m pretty sure I didn’t imagine that part, but I wish I could find it again because I have some questions about it.

    I linked the study here. They were investigating virus interference, the potential for a vaccine, in this case flu vaccine, to increase the likelihood of catching a different virus. A summary of the findings:

    No virus interference for most viruses. There was significant protection during the 2017-2018 flu season against flu, parainfluenza, respiratory syncytial virus, and many non-flu viral coinfections. 

    But for coronavirus (generic coronavirus, not any specific strain,) individuals who received the recommended flu vaccine were 1.36 more likely to contract a coronavirus infection than non-vaccinated individuals (odds ratio vaccinated/unvaccinated 1.36, confidence interval (1.14, 1.63), p<0.01)

    TANSTAAFL.

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  7. Aaron Miller Inactive
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    colleenb (View Comment):
    This couple from Indiana sounds almost “Typhoid Mary”ish. Close contact with a COVID-19 person and (1) they go on their vaca, (2) upon getting off plane they have the COVID-19 symptoms but DON’T tell the health people about their close contact, (3) they get on another plane, (4) they again get COVID-19 symptoms and finally fess up the health authorities. Sheesh – and I thought people from the Midwest were saner that the coastal types. [….]

    That sounds like just human nature. Wishful thinking can stubbornly override cold hard logic. They probably assumed the symptoms indicated a more common and milder condition. Then they refused to report themselves because they believed it would be much ado about nothing, unnecessarily interrupting their lives. 

    I know people who justifiably distrust the news media and continue to believe the common flu is a greater threat than COV-19. There are still many conflicting reports, as can be expected with any new disease before extensive testing.

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  8. Roderic Coolidge
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    Subsequent to the 2013 Avian Flu outbreak in China US officials reviewed our national pandemic response plan.  Their conclusions were in part that in the event of an outbreak in the US with 30% of people infected and a 0.24 to 0.5% case fatality rate that between 35,000 to 60,500 additional ventilators, supplies, and the people trained to used them will be needed to prevent death due to shortages.  

    We don’t know how many people will eventually be infected.  Hopefully, it will be a great deal less than the above scenario.

    A bit of good news is that the growth of numbers of infected people in the US dropped a bit over the weekend leading me to think that perhaps measures being taken to slow down the virus are taking effect. 

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  9. The Reticulator Member
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    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):
    I linked the study here. They were investigating virus interference, the potential for a vaccine, in this case flu vaccine, to increase the likelihood of catching a different virus. A summary of the findings:

    Ah, that was it. Thanks.

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  10. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    Hmmm:

    French authorities have warned that widely used over-the-counter anti-inflammatory drugs may worsen the coronavirus.

    The country’s health minister, Olivier Véran, who is a qualified doctor and neurologist, tweeted on Saturday: “The taking of anti-inflammatories [ibuprofen, cortisone … ] could be a factor in aggravating the infection. In case of fever, take paracetamol [acetaminophen to us ‘Murkins]. If you are already taking anti-inflammatory drugs, ask your doctor’s advice.”

    This isn’t the first time this has been a concern:

    Salicylates and Pandemic Influenza Mortality, 1918–1919 Pharmacology, Pathology, and Historic Evidence

    The high case-fatality rate—especially among young adults—during the 1918–1919 influenza pandemic is incompletely understood. Although late deaths showed bacterial pneumonia, early deaths exhibited extremely “wet,” sometimes hemorrhagic lungs. The hypothesis presented herein is that aspirin contributed to the incidence and severity of viral pathology, bacterial infection, and death, because physicians of the day were unaware that the regimens (8.0–31.2 g per day) produce levels associated with hyperventilation and pulmonary edema in 33% and 3% of recipients, respectively. Recently, pulmonary edema was found at autopsy in 46% of 26 salicylate-intoxicated adults. Experimentally, salicylates increase lung fluid and protein levels and impair mucociliary clearance. In 1918, the US Surgeon General, the US Navy, and the Journal of the American Medical Association recommended use of aspirin just before the October death spike. If these recommendations were followed, and if pulmonary edema occurred in 3% of persons, a significant proportion of the deaths may be attributable to aspirin.

     

    There are many reports from this epidemic of people on the “really sick” end of the spectrum reporting that they are having so much trouble breathing that they feel like they are “drowning.”

    Could some of the differences in death rate be explained by local preferences in what OTC meds to take for fever?

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  11. colleenb Member
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    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):

    Hmmm:

    French authorities have warned that widely used over-the-counter anti-inflammatory drugs may worsen the coronavirus.

    The country’s health minister, Olivier Véran, who is a qualified doctor and neurologist, tweeted on Saturday: “The taking of anti-inflammatories [ibuprofen, cortisone … ] could be a factor in aggravating the infection. In case of fever, take paracetamol [acetaminophen to us ‘Murkins]. If you are already taking anti-inflammatory drugs, ask your doctor’s advice.”

    This isn’t the first time this has been a concern:

    Salicylates and Pandemic Influenza Mortality, 1918–1919 Pharmacology, Pathology, and Historic Evidence

    The high case-fatality rate—especially among young adults—during the 1918–1919 influenza pandemic is incompletely understood. Although late deaths showed bacterial pneumonia, early deaths exhibited extremely “wet,” sometimes hemorrhagic lungs. The hypothesis presented herein is that aspirin contributed to the incidence and severity of viral pathology, bacterial infection, and death, because physicians of the day were unaware that the regimens (8.0–31.2 g per day) produce levels associated with hyperventilation and pulmonary edema in 33% and 3% of recipients, respectively. Recently, pulmonary edema was found at autopsy in 46% of 26 salicylate-intoxicated adults. Experimentally, salicylates increase lung fluid and protein levels and impair mucociliary clearance. In 1918, the US Surgeon General, the US Navy, and the Journal of the American Medical Association recommended use of aspirin just before the October death spike. If these recommendations were followed, and if pulmonary edema occurred in 3% of persons, a significant proportion of the deaths may be attributable to aspirin.

    There are many reports from this epidemic of people on the “really sick” end of the spectrum reporting that they are having so much trouble breathing that they feel like they are “drowning.”

    Could some of the differences in death rate be explained by local preferences in what OTC meds to take for fever?

    Thanks for this info.

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  12. colleenb Member
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    Aaron Miller (View Comment):

    colleenb (View Comment):
    This couple from Indiana sounds almost “Typhoid Mary”ish. Close contact with a COVID-19 person and (1) they go on their vaca, (2) upon getting off plane they have the COVID-19 symptoms but DON’T tell the health people about their close contact, (3) they get on another plane, (4) they again get COVID-19 symptoms and finally fess up the health authorities. Sheesh – and I thought people from the Midwest were saner that the coastal types. [….]

    That sounds like just human nature. Wishful thinking can stubbornly override cold hard logic. They probably assumed the symptoms indicated a more common and milder condition. Then they refused to report themselves because they believed it would be much ado about nothing, unnecessarily interrupting their lives.

    I know people who justifiably distrust the news media and continue to believe the common flu is a greater threat than COV-19. There are still many conflicting reports, as can be expected with any new disease before extensive testing.

    I supposed you are right @aaronmiller. They wanted to go on their Hawaiian vacation and they just assumed, a number of times, that everything was ok or no big deal. Still if I get a fever at this point I’m self-isolating and certainly not getting a plane. I suppose this also means that human nature will kill us all for sure.

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  13. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    YES!

    President Trump says 1.4 million tests for the novel coronavirus will become available this week. That’s welcome news. But officials are about to make a mistake. The president said testing will be limited to people who believe they may be infected. “We don’t want everybody taking this test, it’s totally unnecessary,” he said.

    This would make sense if there were a cure. Without one, this strategy won’t curtail either the epidemic or the anxiety associated with it. We will continue to bleed billions of dollars in economic costs from disruption of normal life.

    Testing has two purposes apart from diagnosing individual cases. The first is to obtain accurate information on the virus’s infectivity and mortality rates. If the true rates for the coronavirus are similar to those of the flu, then it isn’t necessary to shut down the global economy and lose trillions of dollars. But if they’re much higher, drastic measures are imperative.

    Testing only sick or symptomatic patients will not get us to the truth. To see why who we test matters, consider the flu. Its mortality rate is around 0.1%—meaning that of everyone infected with the flu, tested or not, 1 in 1,000 die of it. If we only tested people who are hospitalized with flu-like symptoms, the mortality rate jumps 75-fold. Similarly with the coronavirus, testing only sick and symptomatic people will result in an overestimate of mortality, which would heighten fear and anxiety and worsen their economic effects.

    The second purpose of testing is to avert spread by isolating those who are infected.

    A good strategy would be to combine drive-thru tests with targeted testing of high-risk populations to try to catch people who are unwittingly spreading coronavirus.

    Emphasis added

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  14. MarciN Member
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    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):

    This isn’t the first time this has been a concern:

    Salicylates and Pandemic Influenza Mortality, 1918–1919 Pharmacology, Pathology, and Historic Evidence

    The high case-fatality rate—especially among young adults—during the 1918–1919 influenza pandemic is incompletely understood. Although late deaths showed bacterial pneumonia, early deaths exhibited extremely “wet,” sometimes hemorrhagic lungs. The hypothesis presented herein is that aspirin contributed to the incidence and severity of viral pathology, bacterial infection, and death, because physicians of the day were unaware that the regimens (8.0–31.2 g per day) produce levels associated with hyperventilation and pulmonary edema in 33% and 3% of recipients, respectively. Recently, pulmonary edema was found at autopsy in 46% of 26 salicylate-intoxicated adults. Experimentally, salicylates increase lung fluid and protein levels and impair mucociliary clearance. In 1918, the US Surgeon General, the US Navy, and the Journal of the American Medical Association recommended use of aspirin just before the October death spike. If these recommendations were followed, and if pulmonary edema occurred in 3% of persons, a significant proportion of the deaths may be attributable to aspirin.

    There are many reports from this epidemic of people on the “really sick” end of the spectrum reporting that they are having so much trouble breathing that they feel like they are “drowning.”

    Could some of the differences in death rate be explained by local preferences in what OTC meds to take for fever?

    That is interesting. It will take a lot of research to pin down. I say that because I just had a case of gastritis which was discovered through an endoscopy to be only inflammation caused by some unknown virus or bacteria. I, as did the ER doctor, thought I had ulcers.

    It’s too expensive to culture tissue for everything. Labs look for only specific possible pathogens. The gastroenterologist who performed my endoscopy biopsied the lining to my stomach and ordered a test only for H. pylori, which is the bacteria that usually causes ulcers. The test came back negative.

    But before we got the test results and immediately after the endoscopy, my gastroenterologist told me to take the anti-inflammatory Ibuprofen. I laughed at him. “You’re not serious? Isn’t that what caused the problem in the first place?” “Nope. You don’t have ulcers and you don’t have cancer. You have an inflammation, and the best drug for that is Ibuprofen.” I went home and took two. My gosh, in twenty minutes I felt like a different person.

    Everything I’ve read says Covid-19 is causing lungs to be inflamed. That suggests to me that Ibuprofen would help.

    There’s so much we will have learned by the time this is over.

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  15. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    But before we got the test results and immediately after the endoscopy, my gastroenterologist told me to take the anti-inflammatory Ibuprofen. I laughed at him. “You’re not serious? Isn’t that what caused the problem in the first place?” “Nope. You don’t have ulcers and you don’t have cancer. You have an inflammation, and the best drug for that is Ibuprofen.” I went home and took two. My gosh, in twenty minutes I felt like a different person.

    Everything I’ve read says Covid-19 is causing lungs to be inflamed. That suggests to me that Ibuprofen would help.

    There’s so much we will have learned by the time this is over.

    With your doctor’s caveats in mind, NSAIDs can be great short term. Long term, maybe not so much.

    Previous studies have suggested that the use of nonsteroidal antiinflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) is associated with an increased risk of stress fractures due to their inhibitory effect on bone formation. The current study evaluated the relative risk of stress fractures in active duty service members with and without previous receipt of NSAIDs. A total of 7,036 cases of stress fracture and 28,141 matched controls were identified between June 2014 and December 2018 and included in the analysis. A subset of cases were evaluated for delayed healing diagnoses within 90 days following incident case diagnosis using International Classification of Diseases, 10th Revision (ICD-10) diagnosis codes. Prior receipt of NSAIDs was associated with an increased incidence of stress fractures (adjusted incidence rate ratio=1.70; 95% confidence interval [CI]:1.58-1.82; p<.0001). Among stress fracture cases, prior receipt of NSAIDs was associated with increased diagnosis of delayed healing (adjusted odds ratio=1.41; 95% CI: 1.12-1.77; p=.004). These findings may have significant implications for military readiness because NSAIDs are used extensively and stress fractures are already a major contributor to the burden of healthcare encounters and lost duty time.

    Long term, Boswellia seems to modulate the inflammatory process in a way less likely to interfere with repair. It tends to take a week or two to ramp up, though.

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  16. Snirtler Inactive
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):
    What a shame we have not done a better job promoting flu shots. I read in WSJ that only about 50 percent of us got them this year.

    I didn’t. When I tried to explain to my doctor why I was reluctant and when my doctor continued to misrepresent my reservations back at me, I decided it wasn’t worth arguing about and just went without.

    Somewhere, a couple of days ago, I read on YouTube about a study showing that the flu shot increased your chance of getting generic coronavirus disease by 1.36 times. This wasn’t about COVID-19, because we don’t have those data, but about all coronaviruses lumped together.

    I remember reading something similar. Can’t remember where.

    One other reason for getting the flu shot is, if people report having a flu-like illness but have had the shot, it helps the people collecting disease surveillance data to rule out which type of virus was responsible for the illness. Helpful research data.

     

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  17. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):

    Our good neighbors to the north:

    Maybe we need a wall between us and a country that would elect Trudeau.


    update:

    Ooops. The above tweet and comment was supposed to follow this:

     

    That was quick:

    Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced on Monday that Canada will be closing its borders to foreign travellers in an attempt to limit the spread of the novel coronavirus.

    Speaking to reporters from Rideau Cottage in Ottawa, Trudeau said Canada is taking “increasingly aggressive steps” and will be closing its borders to people who are not Canadian citizens or permanent residents of Canada.

     

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  18. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):

    This isn’t the first time this has been a concern:

    Salicylates and Pandemic Influenza Mortality, 1918–1919 Pharmacology, Pathology, and Historic Evidence

    The high case-fatality rate—especially among young adults—during the 1918–1919 influenza pandemic is incompletely understood. Although late deaths showed bacterial pneumonia, early deaths exhibited extremely “wet,” sometimes hemorrhagic lungs. The hypothesis presented herein is that aspirin contributed to the incidence and severity of viral pathology, bacterial infection, and death, because physicians of the day were unaware that the regimens (8.0–31.2 g per day) produce levels associated with hyperventilation and pulmonary edema in 33% and 3% of recipients, respectively. Recently, pulmonary edema was found at autopsy in 46% of 26 salicylate-intoxicated adults. Experimentally, salicylates increase lung fluid and protein levels and impair mucociliary clearance. In 1918, the US Surgeon General, the US Navy, and the Journal of the American Medical Association recommended use of aspirin just before the October death spike. If these recommendations were followed, and if pulmonary edema occurred in 3% of persons, a significant proportion of the deaths may be attributable to aspirin.

    There are many reports from this epidemic of people on the “really sick” end of the spectrum reporting that they are having so much trouble breathing that they feel like they are “drowning.”

    Could some of the differences in death rate be explained by local preferences in what OTC meds to take for fever?

    That is interesting. It will take a lot of research to pin down. I say that because I just had a case of gastritis which was discovered through an endoscopy to be only inflammation caused by some unknown virus or bacteria. I, as did the ER doctor, thought I had ulcers.

    It’s too expensive to culture tissue for everything. Labs look for only specific possible pathogens. The gastroenterologist who performed my endoscopy biopsied the lining to my stomach and ordered a test only for H. pylori, which is the bacteria that usually causes ulcers. The test came back negative.

    But before we got the test results and immediately after the endoscopy, my gastroenterologist told me to take the anti-inflammatory Ibuprofen. I laughed at him. “You’re not serious? Isn’t that what caused the problem in the first place?” “Nope. You don’t have ulcers and you don’t have cancer. You have an inflammation, and the best drug for that is Ibuprofen.” I went home and took two. My gosh, in twenty minutes I felt like a different person.

    Everything I’ve read says Covid-19 is causing lungs to be inflamed. That suggests to me that Ibuprofen would help.

    There’s so much we will have learned by the time this is over.

    If you want a very good discussion of the immune responses in question, an overview of this epidemic, plus a deep but not too technical epidemiology rabbit hole plus lifestyle recommendations for managing your health, click here.

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  19. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    Snirtler (View Comment):
    One other reason for getting the flu shot is, if people report having a flu-like illness but have had the shot, it helps the people collecting disease surveillance data to rule out which type of virus was responsible for the illness. Helpful research data.

    Perhaps not the greatest data. In a typical year the vaccine is about 50% effective, give or take. Meaning that there’s a decent chance that a person who got the vaccine and has cold-like or mild flu-like or few to no symptoms actually does have the flu.

    The goals of the flu vaccine campaign include keeping from overwhelming the hospitals (where have I heard that before. . .)  and keeping people at work and keeping kids in school. Useful research data depends more on actually testing people for flu infections and as we’re seeing with COVID-19, it’s not enough to test the symptomatic people.

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