Movie Distractions

 

I’m sitting here watching Elizabeth, The Golden Age while the snow falls and the dogs snooze. I can see why Cate Blanchett was nominated for her starring performance and why the film won awards for costume design and art direction. But, I’m totally put off by Mary Stuart’s thick Scottish brogue. Mary Queen of Scots was raised in France (her mother’s birthplace) and was a French queen at one time. She almost certainly spoke French and, if anything, had a French accent. It’s very distracting to someone even marginally familiar with the history.

James Delingpole and Toby Young discussed the odd and unlikely appearance of a Sikh soldier in the movie 1917 portrayal of WWI and the Western Front. 

What do you find distracting in otherwise good movies?

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  1. Steve C. Member
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    Norm McDonald (View Comment):

    James Gawron (View Comment):

    Norm McDonald (View Comment):

    James Gawron (View Comment):

    Norm,

    I did a post on The Hollow Crown. Henry V is the most patriotic play Shakespeare wrote. My point was that if you didn’t want to do this kind of play then don’t. Why mutilate a great work of art because you ideologically don’t approve of its theme. This is the Great? Performances? version.

    Like a limp dishrag.

    Here is Kenny Branagh’s version.

    Like the blast of a cannon. This is what Shakespeare intended. If you don’t like the theme don’t try to do Henry V. Shakespeare wrote lots of other plays. Do one that requires less testosterone. Given the Great Performances performance, the play you choose must require a great deal less testosterone.

    Regards,

    Jim

    Well, this was the BBC and there were evident budget constraints to make them into a series, leaving aside the artistic compromises. The best part of the series was the historical documentary Jeremy Irons did on the plays themselves. The performances have fine moments as most of the principal players have extensive stage experience with the plays, but they would have been better as individual productions with the budget and gravitas that go with them.

    Norm,

    Everything you say is undoubtedly true. However, to have delivered the St. Crispins Day Speech in this nauseating manner is something like an artistic crime. No, more like an artistic felony. To do this isn’t just bad it’s sickening.

    Regards,

    Jim

    I always refer to it as the “Saint Lupens Day Speech” in casual conversation. And John Cleese did it better.

    Dennis Moore!

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  2. Stina Inactive
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    Norm McDonald (View Comment):
    Well, this was the BBC and there were evident budget constraints to make them into a series, leaving aside the artistic compromises. The best part of the series was the historical documentary Jeremy Irons did on the plays themselves. The performances have fine moments as most of the principal players have extensive stage experience with the plays, but they would have been better as individual productions with the budget and gravitas that go with them.

    I temper my expectations by budget and professionalism. My husband and I actually sat through a 1 hour production of David and Goliath that looked like it was made by a church group. Obviously low budget, but made it onto Netflix. It was entertaining in it’s lacking artistry, but it had integrity to its source material.

    If it had been made with more money and A-list actors, I’m sure they’d get more realistic costumes than cotton muslin and polyester, but the integrity would be sorely lacking…

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  3. Donwatt Inactive
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    Steve C. (View Comment):
    This is not a Tiger tank.

    Which reminds me, I hate it when a movie uses stock airline footage.  You see a DC-9 take off and somehow it turns into a 707 by the time it lands.  To quote Joe Biden, “Come on, man.”  I understand the budget constraints, but really . . .
    Also, all those war flicks that just jam in any stock footage whenever they want.  Allied and Axis planes fly interchangeably.  A navy carrier bomber shows up over Nazi Germany, never happened.  I admit to being an aviation geek but I am available to consult, y’all.

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  4. Nicegrizzly Inactive
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    Norm McDonald (View Comment):

    Nicegrizzly (View Comment):

    “What do you find distracting in otherwise good movies?”

    An actress with obvious cosmetic work appearing on screen completely takes me out of the story. It’s like a strong reminder that she’s just playing a part, because the character herself likely would not have had cosmetic procedures.

    See: Meg Ryan’s lips in “You’ve Got Mail,” plus a few others that aren’t coming readily to mind.

    Also, modern-day makeup in movies set in the past. Completely distracting and shows poor attention to detail. After the first few seasons, Downton Abbey started doing this. Women of class back then would have worn very little, if any, makeup, not the “I just visited the Mac counter” amount and style seen on later seasons.

    I was going to say something relatively smart ass and then I saw the handle “Nice Grizzly” and that you know how to use a needle and thought better of it.

    Oh, c’mon go for it. 

     

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  5. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Steve C. (View Comment):
    This is not a Tiger tank.

    M-47, isn’t it?

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  6. CarolJoy, Above Top Secret Coolidge
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    I hate slang anachronisms. There were a couple of Vietnam movies where the soldiers were using expressions that came about in the late 1970’s, when the war  ended in 1975.

    I also notice weird things, like the scene in Raiders of The Lost Ark, where Karen Allen’s character has been held hostage by the Nazis in a tent in the desert. And then Harrison comes to her  rescue. Inside the tent, he holds out  a flask of water and some bread and she reaches for the bread and devours it.

    Really? In the  heat of the desert, you’re gonna go for bread over water?

    I also notice big huge holes in continuity. Where say for example,  something meaningful to one of the characters has  been lost for good. Only then it appears in a scene taking place several days later, with no explanation of how or why it is back. It’s like the director forgot the item was lost. And since he forgot it was lost, he doesn’t explain it now being  found. (This probably happens because often the movie is shot with scenes  out of sequence.)

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  7. Judge Mental Member
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    CarolJoy, Above Top Secret (View Comment):

    I also notice big huge holes in continuity. Where say for example, something meaningful to one of the characters has been lost for good. Only then it appears in a scene taking place several days later, with no explanation of how or why it is back. It’s like the director forgot the item was lost. And since he forgot it was lost, he doesn’t explain it now being found. (This probably happens because often the movie is shot with scenes out of sequence.)

    Deleted scenes and re-shoots are causing a lot of that these days.

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  8. Chris Hutchinson Coolidge
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    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Almost any movie that has a character with a southern accent. No actor can do a southern accent. New York accent? No problem. Boston? British? Perfect. Australian? Pretty good.

    But southern? It’s always spectacularly bad.

    I’m not sure why.

    YES! I’m on record stating the best show of all time is Burn Notice. The one and only thing that bugs me is when Jeffrey Donovan tries to do a Southern accent.

    To answer the question what I find distracting in an otherwise good movie… guys who served while watching military and police movies. I always have to remind my buddies I’m not their wife and they don’t need to try to impress me… HaHaHa! Seriously, I don’t get too bothered ny much. I heard them talking about that on London Calling. It seemed a bit minor to get bothered over. Even as a fan of history, I’m usually OK with some artistic license. It has to be really bad for me to get upset, e.g. The Two Popes.

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  9. Steve C. Member
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Steve C. (View Comment):
    This is not a Tiger tank.

    M-47, isn’t it?

    Yes. 

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  10. Steve C. Member
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    Chris Hutchinson (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Almost any movie that has a character with a southern accent. No actor can do a southern accent. New York accent? No problem. Boston? British? Perfect. Australian? Pretty good.

    But southern? It’s always spectacularly bad.

    I’m not sure why.

    YES! I’m on record stating the best show of all time is Burn Notice. The one and only thing that bugs me is when Jeffrey Donovan tries to do a Southern accent.

    To answer the question what I find distracting in an otherwise good movie… guys who served while watching military and police movies. I always have to remind my buddies I’m not their wife and they don’t need to try to impress me… HaHaHa! Seriously, I don’t get too bothered ny much. I heard them talking about that on London Calling. It seemed a bit minor to get bothered over. Even as a fan of history, I’m usually OK with some artistic license. It has to be really bad for me to get upset, e.g. The Two Popes.

    Scott Bakula…worst New Orleans accent ever.  

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  11. Western Chauvinist Member
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    CarolJoy, Above Top Secret (View Comment):
    I hate slang anachronisms.

    I remember that from Titanic!  Totally out of place and unbelievable. Took me right out of the story. I don’t remember the specifics, but I’m not re-watching it to find out. . .

    Sometimes it works if the movie intends it, though. I’m thinking A Knight’s Tale.

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  12. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Chris Hutchinson (View Comment):
    It seemed a bit minor to get bothered over. Even as a fan of history, I’m usually OK with some artistic license. It has to be really bad for me to get upset, e.g. The Two Popes.

    Well, I’m not bothered as in “find out where the producer and director live and burn their houses down.” Just distracted from the story. 

    I saw a trailer for The Two Popes and I’m not going anywhere near that thing! What a mess.

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    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Almost any movie that has a character with a southern accent. No actor can do a southern accent. New York accent? No problem. Boston? British? Perfect. Australian? Pretty good.

    But southern? It’s always spectacularly bad.

    I’m not sure why.

    Robert Duvall, a California native (I think), pretty well nailed the East Texas accent in The Apostle. But other than him, the only actors that seem to get the various Texas accents right (and there are more than one) seem to be native Texans (Tommy Lee Jones, for example). 

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    Stina (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Almost any movie that has a character with a southern accent. No actor can do a southern accent. New York accent? No problem. Boston? British? Perfect. Australian? Pretty good.

    But southern? It’s always spectacularly bad.

    I’m not sure why.

    Isn’t Matthew McCoughnahay ACTUALLY southern?

    He’s a Texan.  That’s different than Southern.

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  15. Ben Sears Member
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    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Almost any movie that has a character with a southern accent. No actor can do a southern accent. New York accent? No problem. Boston? British? Perfect. Australian? Pretty good.

    But southern? It’s always spectacularly bad.

    I’m not sure why.

    So true. So amazingly true.

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  16. Ben Sears Member
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    The Spanish are praying the Rosary in Spanish. They almost certainly would have prayed it in Latin. Oof.

    This is going in the opposite direction, but there is a great moment in Master and Commander where they are holding a funeral. The British crew says The Lords Prayer and the lone Irishman, a Catholic, stops as the Protestants continue with the “For Thine is the…” line. It was a fantastic little detail. 

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    Nicegrizzly (View Comment):

    Norm McDonald (View Comment):

    Nicegrizzly (View Comment):

    “What do you find distracting in otherwise good movies?”

    An actress with obvious cosmetic work appearing on screen completely takes me out of the story. It’s like a strong reminder that she’s just playing a part, because the character herself likely would not have had cosmetic procedures.

    See: Meg Ryan’s lips in “You’ve Got Mail,” plus a few others that aren’t coming readily to mind.

    Also, modern-day makeup in movies set in the past. Completely distracting and shows poor attention to detail. After the first few seasons, Downton Abbey started doing this. Women of class back then would have worn very little, if any, makeup, not the “I just visited the Mac counter” amount and style seen on later seasons.

    I was going to say something relatively smart ass and then I saw the handle “Nice Grizzly” and that you know how to use a needle and thought better of it.

    Oh, c’mon go for it.

    I’ll need to put on more makeup first.

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  18. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Ben Sears (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    The Spanish are praying the Rosary in Spanish. They almost certainly would have prayed it in Latin. Oof.

    This is going in the opposite direction, but there is a great moment in Master and Commander where they are holding a funeral. The British crew says The Lords Prayer and the lone Irishman, a Catholic, stops as the Protestants continue with the “For Thine is the…” line. It was a fantastic little detail.

    Nice.

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  19. Mate De Inactive
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    I do find the affirmative action casting to be incredibly distracting. They did A Christmas Story live a couple of years ago, and they had a black neighbor and an Asian neighbor. I found that to be SOOOO distracting because this was Indiana in the 1950’s, the likelihood of that much diversity is about zero. Also, we have a movie to reference and it wasn’t like that.

    They do this so often right now. I am always taken out of the movie once I see it, especially since you never see it the other way. I just want to be entertained, I don’t want to be propagandized. At least back in the day they were more subtle about it, but now they have to beat you over the head with it.

    Oh also the Bad a** chick roles are annoying too. They are so unrealistic. Like Charlize Theron could beat the crap out of 4 guys at once and walk away without a scratch. PLEASE I can’t take it.

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  20. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Mate De (View Comment):
    Oh also the Bad a** chick roles are annoying too. They are so unrealistic. Like Charlize Theron could beat the crap out of 4 guys at once and walk away without a scratch. PLEASE I can’t take it.

    I like Black Widow, though, and I think the character works because Marvel doesn’t take itself so serious.

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  21. Mate De Inactive
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Mate De (View Comment):
    Oh also the Bad a** chick roles are annoying too. They are so unrealistic. Like Charlize Theron could beat the crap out of 4 guys at once and walk away without a scratch. PLEASE I can’t take it.

    I like Black Widow, though, and I think the character works because Marvel doesn’t take itself so serious.

    Also, I can forgive a super hero who is given special powers (although that is being WAY overplayed these days) . But some superspy chick. Who is super bada** and can kick anyone’s butt. Also they weigh 110 lbs soaking wet, with skinny little arms and legs and no weapon. Whatever!!!

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  22. Judge Mental Member
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    Mate De (View Comment):
    At least back in the day they were more subtle about it, but now they have to beat you over the head with it.

    This is really it.  

    “We have to do this obviously awkward, illogical and ahistorical diversity casting, fully conscious of what we do and with full intent to do so, so that we can teach you racists to not think about race.”

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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Mate De (View Comment):
    Oh also the Bad a** chick roles are annoying too. They are so unrealistic. Like Charlize Theron could beat the crap out of 4 guys at once and walk away without a scratch. PLEASE I can’t take it.

    I like Black Widow, though, and I think the character works because Marvel doesn’t take itself so serious.

    It also helps that she doesn’t fight fair. No average woman is going to punch out an average man. The suspension of disbelief isn’t destroyed when a trained woman incapacitates goons with tasers, pepper spray, groin attacks, flash bombs, garrotes, tripping them and kicking them when they’re down, and even using guns. All fight scenes are choreographed, after all; real fights don’t film well. 

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  24. Steve C. Member
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    Ben Sears (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    The Spanish are praying the Rosary in Spanish. They almost certainly would have prayed it in Latin. Oof.

    This is going in the opposite direction, but there is a great moment in Master and Commander where they are holding a funeral. The British crew says The Lords Prayer and the lone Irishman, a Catholic, stops as the Protestants continue with the “For Thine is the…” line. It was a fantastic little detail.

    I noticed that too.

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  25. Michael Brehm Lincoln
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    Knitted chainmail. I couldn’t even get into Brother Cadfael because the first character introduced was wearing a suit of  it.

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  26. Steve C. Member
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    You spend $20 million dollars on a military movie and can’t spare a few bucks to hire an expert to ensure the weapons, uniforms, insignia and decorations are period correct. 

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  27. C. U. Douglas Coolidge
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Oop! Mary just lost her head. Distraction over.

    Spoilers!

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  28. C. U. Douglas Coolidge
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    In general, shots that are clearly made to accomodate 3D. We’ve started to get an eye for them and it’s soon clear that rather than shoot a situation organically, we’re given a concocted scene or action sequence that’s geared for 3D.

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  29. Steve C. Member
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    C. U. Douglas (View Comment):

    In general, shots that are clearly made to accomodate 3D. We’ve started to get an eye for them and it’s soon clear that rather than shoot a situation organically, we’re given a concocted scene or action sequence that’s geared for 3D.

    Millennials: This 3D stuff is gonna be great.

    Boomers: We’ve seen this movie before.

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    Mate De (View Comment):
    I do find the affirmative action casting to be incredibly distracting. They did A Christmas Story live a couple of years ago, and they had a black neighbor and an Asian neighbor. I found that to be SOOOO distracting because this was Indiana in the 1950’s, the likelihood of that much diversity is about zero. Also, we have a movie to reference and it wasn’t like that.

    Because that was essentially a theater production, staged for TV, those particular choices were probably as much due to the theater concept of color-blind casting.  Theoretically, anybody can play any race.  Interestingly though – this concept seems to only work one direction.  We have yet to see Asians or whites cast in A Raison in the Sun, Porgy & Bess, or Hamilton.  I agree with you that the result can be visually jarring.

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