Why Do They Pound the Table?

 

A brilliant post from last year wondered why Harrison Ford was so angry about science. Discussions of science are not generally emotional events and are often perceived as boring. Math is not thrilling – it’s just math – it adds up or it does not. There’s nothing to believe in. So there’s no reason to convince anyone of anything. But those who promote climate change very often attempt to use emotions rather than simple scientific explanation.

When I saw this picture of Greta Thunberg, I was reminded of that post, and of this quote from Carl Sandberg: “If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell.”

It doesn’t bother me that the climate change promoters are wrong. I’m often wrong. What bothers me is that they clearly know they’re wrong. But they want power, so they pound the table.

Al Gore and Leonardo DiCaprio do not live like people who think that carbon emissions are important. Harrison Ford and Ms. Thunberg do not speak like someone who has the facts on their side. These are not honest mistakes. Ms. Thunberg is not an innocent kid sharing her uninformed opinions. This is being done not with innocence, but with malice. It’s not foolish, it’s vicious. This is scary stuff.

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  1. The Reticulator Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):
    I have no opinion on it as to its worth to the scientific community. I am not arguing with you. Just telling you what these scientists said on the podcast I listened to. :-)

    Sounds like something from the land of fruits and nuts. I don’t care to listen to a podcast, but I would take a look at their published paper on the subject, if there is one.

    This appears to be the paper:  https://www.pnas.org/content/116/17/8190

    But there also is some other speculation that was presented outside the publication process, or so it has been claimed.  

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  2. Jimmy Carter Member
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Jimmy Carter (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):
    Hey!! Where’d you get that?!

    Yeeeeeeears ago, She posted a link to Their cameras when They were on the porch having cocktails. I caught a frame at the absolute most perfect time and have had it ever since. Yer facepalm reminded Me of it.

    Dang, she does look distressed!

    Seriously.

    Feel Free to use it if You want.

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  3. The Reticulator Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):
    I have no opinion on it as to its worth to the scientific community. I am not arguing with you. Just telling you what these scientists said on the podcast I listened to. :-)

    Sounds like something from the land of fruits and nuts. I don’t care to listen to a podcast, but I would take a look at their published paper on the subject, if there is one.

    This appears to be the paper: https://www.pnas.org/content/116/17/8190

    But there also is some other speculation that was presented outside the publication process, or so it has been claimed.

    The paper doesn’t claim that all the extinctions happened immediately after the event. There was a lot that happened very quickly, more than we may have been aware of before this study, but this is the way the paper puts it in its concluding sentences:

    Thus, we identify a potential additional mechanism for abrupt, extensive damage to widely spaced regions and ecologies. The global extinction event, therefore, could have had a rapidly delivered precursor, both at the local and global scales, minutes after impact.

    And it seems to make rather modest claims as to the effect of the glass beads, which were smaller the farther you get from the impact.  At the Montana-North Dakota site they were about 1mm in size, some larger, some smaller.  At that distance, most of them fell during the period from 15-120 minutes after the impact. They seem to have been ingested by some filter-feeding aquatic animals, but it’s not even clear that they were the cause of death of those organisms. I would imagine they didn’t do them any good, but there were enough other things going on to cause trauma and disruption to life over the short and longer term. 

    (I scanned the paper rather quickly, but it’s reasonably readable. There were a few terms and phrases that I wasn’t familiar with and didn’t bother to look up, so I hope I didn’t miss anything that would contradict what I wrote above.)

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  4. The Reticulator Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):
    They seem to have been ingested by some filter-feeding aquatic animals, but it’s not even clear that they were the cause of death of those organisms.

    It occurs to me that by using the term “ingested” I may have been going beyond the published study and contributing to the claims made by some of the sensationalists. The paper remarked on the prevalence of beads that were caught in gills of fishes that feed on suspended particles.  Those were beads that were not ingested, but they do cause a person to wonder about the effect of beads that may have been ingested. 

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  5. Samuel Block Support
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    Jimmy Carter (View Comment):

    Samuel Block (View Comment):
    “Oh great! The white dude in booty shorts just farted…. and I’m downwind. 🤢”

    If Yer gonna go that route, You gonna quote the movie:

    I don’t want to talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper. I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.

    Love that movie!

    But my inspiration was actually Dave Chapelle’s bit about the white “Q” in booty shorts, hitchhiking until being picked up by his fellow “alphabet people,” and the regal Joseph Epstein’s line, quoting his friend, who, when honked at in Chicago traffic, rolls down his window and shouts: “blow it out your duffle bag, fart head!”

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  6. MarciN Member
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    The Scarecrow (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):
    The theory I heard in the podcast actually asserts that it happened in a 72-hour period.

    A lot happened in that 72 hours, just as it did the last time Yellowstone had a super-eruption, but it did not wipe out all life, and it did not wipe out all dinosaurs in that time. While some species nearer the impact or in more delicate balance with their environments might have died off quickly, it was the catalyst for many more changes that took place over millions of years.

    On the podcast, they assert it did happen in a 72-hour period in which glass balls formed and got inside all living things including the dinosaurs and they boiled from inside and died. (It was a gruesome event to hear described.) It encompassed the entire planet. The glass balls fell everywhere.

    I kept trying to visualize what they were saying, and in my mind, I saw a tennis ball get hit by an asteroid. The area opposite the strike would feel the effects more slowly than anything in the strike zone. And that’s been the theory. The glass balls is the new addition to the theory, and those washed over the earth in a 72-hour period.

    I’m not a geologist or a paleontologist.

    I wish someone who was a lot smarter than I am would listen to the podcast.

    I have no opinion on it as to its worth to the scientific community. I am not arguing with you. Just telling you what these scientists said on the podcast I listened to. :-)

     

    Trying to remember, but I thought that the super-tiny glass shards were ejected high into the atmosphere and spread all around the world. Then as they fell, they disintegrated, giving off heat. The collective heat from all of them raised the surface temerature of the entire Earth to approx. 1300 degrees F, scorching everything like William Kristol nighttime dreams about Mar a Lago.

    The lucky creatures who happened to be protected from that (and I’m sure Trump would have had it wired) survived, and we are all descended from those guys.

    I am totally not doing it justice – it’s worth a listen.

    That sounds right. Thank you. Perfect. It is worth a listen. It was fascinating. :-)

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  7. Stad Coolidge
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    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    This STEM scholar making his case to a policeman while simultaneously blocking traffic (you can just make out the wings of the dancer in a bumblebee costume to the right of the policeman who assisted in this well-crafted evidence-based presentation for the benefit of fossil fuel burning commuters) pretty much sums it up.

    WASHINGTON, DC – SEPTEMBER 23: A climate change protester blocks traffic during a protest to shut down D.C. on September 23, 2019 in Washington, DC. The protesters are urging climate action and want the reallocation of the budget away from the military to fund a Green New Deal. (Photo by Mark Wilson/Getty Images) [Source: WTOP News web site]

     

    Caption contest! What is going through this policeman’s mind at this moment?

    “I wonder how far he’ll fly if I pop his suspenders.”

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  8. Mark Camp Member
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat: Ms. Thunberg is not an innocent kid sharing her uninformed opinions.

    This is the one statement I have to disagree with. This is a mentally ill child who is being used, because children get more sympathy. How were your mental faculties at i know it’s not willie it’s a joke sixteen? And you were probably smarter and much more stable than she is. How were your emotions at sixteen? I know mine were overwhelmed by hormones, and I did some really stupid stuff. She is a child being used for emotional manipulation.

    Look for the puppet-master behind her. The puppet master’s intentions are not innocent.

    Wie findet ihr Greta Thunberg? (Seite 10) - Allmystery

    Great pix. “The Gambler” is a great song.

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  9. MarciN Member
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    All last night I was worried that I had left a negative impression of my son-in-law and daughter in Vermont. I hope I did not. I could not ask for a better son-in-law. He is a wonderful father to his son (my perfect grandson) and husband to my daughter. He has good sense of humor, he’s really smart, and we are good friends. :-) 

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  10. TBA Coolidge
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    MarciN (View Comment):
    …the disappearance of the dinosaurs, which happened–someone has posited–in a matter of one or two days ten million years ago when an asteroid or meteor hit the earth.

    According to my flawless computer model the meteor hit at 7:35 on a Tuesday and the last dinosaur was pronounced dead at 10:57 the following morning and buried without autopsy due to recent staff reductions. 

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  11. TBA Coolidge
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    Samuel Block (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):
    This is the one statement I have to disagree with. This is a mentally ill child who is being used, because children get more sympathy.

    This part is fair. I have no first hand knowledge, but it is my understanding that she has a long history of psychiatric problems. If that is true, that should be considered. Still, at some point, she should take at least some responsibility for her actions. And her actions are scary.

    If the girl actually has mental problems, what does that say about the UN for letting her speak?

    I don’t think I want to know. Doesn’t the UN have a major child-sex abuse issue? I think it was Ben Shapiro who called their headquarters Mos Eisley.

    Huh. So you can fly there from Alderaan, California in five and a half hours give-or-take a parsec. 

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  12. MACHO GRANDE' (aka - Chris Cam… Coolidge
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    Juliana (View Comment):

    We discussed the dinosaur die-off in a presentation I gave to 18-21 year olds (with disabilities). We talked about how dinosaurs are related to birds. We also talked about the four theories of how the larger dinosaurs died (disease, starvation due to food chain imbalance, volcanic activity, and meteors). One of the kids asked about the present danger from meteors. Unfortunately one of the educational paraprofessionals who work with us – who is at least 50 years old and college educated – made this comment / asked this question: “You know, now that we have holes in our atmosphere from all the engines, we may be more vulnerable to meteors. Could it be that something like that happened millions of years ago from the volcanoes and that put holes in the atmosphere so the meteors got through?”

    Yeah. There’s that.

    More evidence to support my theory that if people shut up more, I’d be happier.

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  13. MACHO GRANDE' (aka - Chris Cam… Coolidge
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    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):
    I see very little to be gained intellectually by growing attached to any current theory about anything.

    Exactly. Think of all the science that you know to be true. Part of it is wrong. The trick is, you don’t know which part. So we should approach any scientific topic with some humility.

    I teach medical students that they will not make big mistakes when they are uncertain about things. Really horrendous mistakes require certainty.

    Greta Thunberg and her supporters should bear this in mind…

    I’m certain this is true.

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  14. Arahant Member
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    MACHO GRANDE' (aka – Chri… (View Comment):
    More evidence to support my theory that if people shut up more, I’d be happier.

    Not going to happen.

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  15. Dr. Bastiat Member
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    MACHO GRANDE’ (aka – Chri… (View Comment):
    More evidence to support my theory that if people shut up more, I’d be happier.

    Not going to happen.

    Says the man with 100,000 comments on Ricochet…

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  16. Old Bathos Member
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    A polar bear drowned, 251 birds dropped from the skies and 2.5 future hurricanes became inevitable because of the fossil fuels used to power the computers used to bring this denier thread into existence. St. Greta, pray for us.

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  17. Arahant Member
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    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    MACHO GRANDE’ (aka – Chri… (View Comment):
    More evidence to support my theory that if people shut up more, I’d be happier.

    Not going to happen.

    Says the man with 100,000 comments on Ricochet…

    I prove my point. 😜

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