VDH and Bul****

 

I have a great deal of respect for Victor Davis Hanson. I’ve read and listened to him extensively, and he has always impressed me with his thoughtfulness, decency, humility, breadth of knowledge, and quiet sanity.

The Bulwark, this new anti-Trump publication staffed by Charlie Sykes, Bill Kristol, and other people whose narrow-minded smug superiority I find impossible to stomach, has placed Hanson on its list of sell-outs, dupes, and traitors to the conservative cause, and set its sights on discrediting him and others who hold his, to me, quite sensible views.

It has long been true that I would like Trump a lot less if I liked his enemies more. Folks like those at the Bulwark are much of the reason I refrain from criticizing the President more than I do. I’m not much of a joiner, but I’d rather have Hanson on my team than any number of these others.


[Update: I wrote this post not knowing that Victor Davis Hanson has a new book coming out. The Case for Trump will be released this week.]

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  1. Mendel Inactive
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    Columbo (View Comment):

    Trump hasn’t been a bad president, but his presidency has been conspicuously absent of victories on the biggest policy “asks” of his voting base – specifically the wall and Obamacare repeal. And yet he’s enjoying great popularity among that same base, because they put the personal conflicts above policy battles.

    Do the names Gorsuch and Kavanaugh mean anything to you?

    Indeed they do. Hence my remark that “Trump hasn’t been a bad president”. You’re barking up the wrong tree here.

    In fact, I think Trump is better than either of his two Republican predecessors (so far at least). But I also think he is capable of much less than many of his supporters – even his lukewarm supporters – claim. That shouldn’t be too controversial.

    My original point was to respond to Henry’s comment that he has a more positive opinion of Trump than he otherwise might because he’s so mad at Trump’s opponents. I think that’s an Achilles heel of many on the right, and not only when it comes to Trump. But I think that weakness is why Trump will likely get away with wavering on many of his big ticket promises and still enjoy great enthusiasm from his core voters going into 2020.

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  2. Mendel Inactive
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    Barfly (View Comment):

    EJHill (View Comment):
    What will probably not happen is a re-emergence of the pre-Trump GOP. That, I am afraid, has been consigned to the ash heap. The GOP has experienced a bitter, bitter divorce and those hard feelings are going to be hard to overcome.

    It’s hurt, but nowhere near dead enough.

    I’d say it’s barely even scratched.

    Remember that when John Boehner stepped down in 2015, Kevin McCarthy was his heir apparent until the Freedom Caucus drummed up enough opposition to keep him from inheriting the position of Speaker. Fast forward to 2019, and a Republican House caucus that is supposedly more conservative than ever just elected that same Kevin McCarthy to be their leader. That doesn’t sound much like a wounded establishment to me.

    Add to that the fact that Mitt Romney (!) and Martha McSally are now in the Senate while Kelli Ward is left to plan yet another primary challenge, and I’d say the establishment is doing about as well as ever.

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  3. Tim McNabb Member
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    Word up, homie.

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  4. Barfly Member
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    Barfly (View Comment):

    [redacted] I wonder whether any of these squishy bath toys have ever worked, for their living so it matters, at any vocation that requires objectively measurable (vs. subjectively measured “I like his writing” feelings) results. I bet it’s “no” in all cases.

    I’d check on this myself, but I’m not yet to the point where I can look at the Bullwhat site. Maybe this evening after I switch from covfefe to beer.

    I got redacted – my fault, I was careless. Change my earlier problematic reference to “those who scurry from the light and seek to hide in warm donor darkness.”

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  5. Mark Camp Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    It has long been true that I would like Trump a lot less if I liked his enemies more.

    That’s what I’ve been trying to say.

    NO!  That’s what I’ve been trying to say.

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  6. Gary Robbins Member
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    Perhaps I am being overly naive, but I really want to vote “for” someone, instead of “against” the people I dislike.  

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  7. RufusRJones Member
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    rgbact (View Comment):
    They care.

    They don’t in aggregate. Medicare Part D was 9 trillion instant unfunded liability. They did it so they could finish off Iraq. Everything has been like that since Ronald Reagan. That’s when the debt to GDP angles started taking off. 

    You can find all kinds of interviews with Republicans like Rep Massie from Kentucky that prove what I’m saying. Try ‘Bucking the system’ on Full Measure news. 
     

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  8. RufusRJones Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Perhaps I am being overly naive, but I really want to vote “for” someone, instead of “against” the people I dislike.

    I wish it worked that way. 

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  9. Freeven Member
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    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):
    I would dispute that he’s doing a good job of governing. He is presiding over a solid Republican team that is benefiting from recovery after eight years of regulatory asphyxiation under Obama. If the economy turns south, if he gets petulant and fires/drives off the adults in the room, we will see what kind of a governing job he can do. That is what will happen if we give him a second term anyway, when he can let his freak flag fly without his usual studious deliberation.

    This thinking baffles me. Trump picked that “solid Republican team.” Trump lifted the regulatory burdens. Yet he’s doing a bad job because of something your crystal ball says he’s going to do next term?

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  10. Freeven Member
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    While I would rather Cruz or another more traditional conservative in the Oval Office…

    I was strongly in the Anybody-but-Trump-but Hillary camp, and ended up on Cruz in the end. But I have to say that, over time, I’ve come to wonder if any other candidate would have moved the ball for conservatism as well as Trump has so far. He’s far from what I “want,” but he’s been a surprise to me.

     

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  11. Gary Robbins Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Perhaps I am being overly naive, but I really want to vote “for” someone, instead of “against” the people I dislike.

    I could be accused of morally preening.

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  12. DrewInWisconsin Member
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    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):
    Trump is a demagogue, a crook and a pathological liar that has so corroded our ability to see how he’s coarsened our perception,.

    Hyperbolic nonsense.

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  13. Freeven Member
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    Mendel (View Comment):

    Henry Racette: It has long been true that I would like Trump a lot less if I liked his enemies more

    Somewhat off-topic, but I think this sentiment is very telling of the contemporary conservative mentality, and of why conservatives nearly always lose of late: it’s because they let their opinions be defined by those whom they actually oppose.

    By placing so much importance on the views of your opponents that you’ll change your own views not for any meritorious reasons but simply because of your hatred of someone else, you place your own political goals on a subordinate level.

    This is a very unfair reading of what Henry has been saying, IMO. I don’t see where he’s changed his views. Trump is making the right people set their hair on fire. It’s possible to enjoy that without letting it redefine your positions. I know I do.

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  14. Freeven Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Perhaps I am being overly naive, but I really want to vote “for” someone, instead of “against” the people I dislike.

    I want that too. The problem is I don’t actually like that many people.

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  15. DrewInWisconsin Member
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    rgbact (View Comment):
    The deficit will be over $1T this year. Don’t pretend the Trumpers actually care about spending. 

    Don’t pretend the Trump haters actually care about conservatism. The Bulwark has made it clear that they don’t.

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  16. Eugene Kriegsmann Member
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    You can often judge a man by the enemies he gains. Both VDH and DJT have grown in my estimation based on the sub flat rock habitues who hate them. 

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  17. Phil Turmel Inactive
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    Mendel (View Comment):

    I’d say it’s barely even scratched.

    Remember that when John Boehner stepped down in 2015, Kevin McCarthy was his heir apparent until the Freedom Caucus drummed up enough opposition to keep him from inheriting the position of Speaker. Fast forward to 2019, and a Republican House caucus that is supposedly more conservative than ever just elected that same Kevin McCarthy to be their leader. That doesn’t sound much like a wounded establishment to me.

    Add to that the fact that Mitt Romney (!) and Martha McSally are now in the Senate while Kelli Ward is left to plan yet another primary challenge, and I’d say the establishment is doing about as well as ever.

    You bubble-bursting fiend!

    Sigh.  Oh, so true.

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  18. Rodin Member
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    @henryracette: You had me at “Bill Kristol.”

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  19. Seawriter Contributor
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Perhaps I am being overly naive, but I really want to vote “for” someone, instead of “against” the people I dislike.

    So do I. But I will always choose the lesser of the two evils with the two most electable candidates because that is preferable to the greater of two evils. As did most reluctant Trump voters.

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    I could be accused of morally preening.

    True, that.

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  20. Sweezle Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Perhaps I am being overly naive, but I really want to vote “for” someone, instead of “against” the people I dislike.

    I could be accused of morally preening.

    I’ll bite Gary. Stop morally preening!

     

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  21. RufusRJones Member
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    Read Kevin Williamson’s The End is Near.

    Everything moves left all of the time. O’Sullivan’s law. Google it.

    This is why. None of you care.

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  22. Valiuth Member
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    Eugene Kriegsmann (View Comment):

    You can often judge a man by the enemies he gains. Both VDH and DJT have grown in my estimation based on the sub flat rock habitues who hate them.

    And you can also judge a man by the friends he keeps. Just look at all the shady criminals in Trumps life who now are going to jail. And while a total stranger may choose to hate you for random reasons the people you place around you in positions of trust clearly reflect your own values and judgement. 

    But whatever. Trump is garbage, and some people like garbage, or at least feel an need to defend it against trash. I don’t. 

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  23. lowtech redneck Coolidge
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    DonG (View Comment):

    I think I’ve figured it out. The Bulwark and Weekly Standard and Neocon crowd really want to defend Bushism. They don’t like that Trump speaks badly of their Bush policies:

    • war in Iraq
    • Chinese mercantilism
    • funding Planned Parenthood
    • boosting illegal immigration

    Rather than directly defending those policies, they attack Trump as Redneck and attack anyone, like VDH, that supports Trump over their policies.

    I adopted my internet name a long time ago in response to progressives calling me and mine ‘Redneck’ (with the worst possible connotations, not the positive ones).  Its been no real surprise at all that those ‘conservatives’ who jumped on that bandwagon over the years since then have become what they are now, I’ve been anticipating it for years.  Trump is merely the lightning rod for what already was present within the Conservative ‘community’, otherwise they would restrict their moral criticisms to Trump’s personal failings, not the things that logically apply to large numbers of Republicans as well.  Even for the ones who started out sincere, culture and peer pressure ‘Trump’ ideological principles, they really do think Progressives are better people than the Republican base.

    Speaking of which, Erick Erickson now seems to oppose withdrawing federal funding to Universities that don’t allow free speech.  

     

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  24. Mark Camp Member
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    rgbact (View Comment):

    The deficit will be over $1T this year. Don’t pretend the Trumpers actually care about spending.

    You’re confounding deficit and spending.  They are not the same thing. 

    • It is spending that ultimately matters to citizens trying to protect themselves from enslavement by their government through purely fiscal/monetary means (no regulation required).
    • There are three methods of financing spending–different ways of distributing the burden of government spending between different people and different years.
      • tax
      • deficit
      • sovereign money creation (money printing by Treasury Dept., until now  illegal in the US and the other advanced countries.)
    • Spending is directly reported; spending can be directly controlled–it only occurs if the laws permit it.
      • Therefore, to speak of spending, to measure spending, and to control spending does not require one to speak of, measure, or control any of the three possible methods of financing spending in a given year.
    • Since tax, deficit, and money creation, individually, are not spending
      • it is not only unnecessary, but dangerous to speak of any one or two of them as if they were spending.
      • It is not dangerous to speak of the combination of all three, since they are arithmetically equal to spending, but it is an unnecessary complication; a tactical weak point that the progressive or ordinary non-ideological opponents of republican government will instantly exploit.
    • In summary, if you want lower spending
      • you can do it by lowering spending
      • you can’t do it any other way:
        • not by lowering taxes in a given year (despots will immediately fight back by increasing current year deficits or money creation).
        • not by lowering deficits in a given year (despots will increase future taxes, future deficits, or current year money creation)
        • not by lowering sovereign money creation (Modern Monetary Theory). (Despots don’t need to anything with tax or deficit: once AOC’s or Sanders’s MMT wins the political/academic debate, all that despots have to do is print and spend at will.
      • Controlling spending is the only way: It is irrational to aim for different ways of financing of spending.  It only creates openings for would-be despots to exploit in their campaign to gain power.

     

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  25. RufusRJones Member
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    Excessive spending is popular. 

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  26. DonG Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    With unemployment this low, We should be running with a surplus and then the Fed should be raising rates like crazy.

    Nope.  The Fed. should be managing interest rates to target a growth target (NGDPLT).  Raising rates does not “bank” growth for a rainy day.   It is like driving with the brakes on in case you want to improve your fuel economy later.  Paying down debt is OK though.  Quantitative Tapering is OK too.  But, the US economy is not that strong as the global economy is weak.

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  27. The Reticulator Member
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    cdor (View Comment):
    I suppose you are suggesting that Trump shut down the government until he got a spending bill that was in balance. What I hate about NT’s is their belief that Trump is the source of all that is wrong with our country.

    Are you suggesting that NTs are people who are indulging their self-hate?  

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  28. RufusRJones Member
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    DonG (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    With unemployment this low, We should be running with a surplus and then the Fed should be raising rates like crazy.

    Nope. The Fed. should be managing interest rates to target a growth target (NGDPLT). Raising rates does not “bank” growth for a rainy day. It is like driving with the brakes on in case you want to improve your fuel economy later. Paying down debt is OK though. Quantitative Tapering is OK too. But, the US economy is not that strong as the global economy is weak.

    Central planning is proven nonsense. All it does is grow government and screw savers of fiat money. It’s unworkable. 

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  29. EJHill Podcaster
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    Barfly: The pre-Trump (establishment, Rockefeller, call it what you want) GOP was a diseased husk.

    When I mean it’s dead, it’s dead at the presidential level. As @garyrobbins likes to point out, Trump won the nomination with a plurality. His ceiling, or floor depending on your vantage, may have been 37% within the party. 

    So, let’s play out this hypothetical: The Democrats don’t nominate the crazy in 2020 and Trump loses reelection. That 37% then abandons the GOP for good, especially if they perceive Trump was internally wounded/sabotaged by his own party. That could leave you with a Republican Party unable to crack 30M national votes for the White House. They will have achieved their purity and also permanent rump status. And all because, in their mind, they could not make a temporary strategic alliance with Trump.

    As I alluded to in my first comment in this thread, men like Churchill and FDR could ally themselves with a man responsible for 43M deaths, but for people like Bill Kristol and others, Donald Trump is a step too far. And that says more about the pathetic state of American politics than Trump’s presence in the Oval Office.

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  30. Rodin Member
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    Valiuth (View Comment):

    Eugene Kriegsmann (View Comment):

    You can often judge a man by the enemies he gains. Both VDH and DJT have grown in my estimation based on the sub flat rock habitues who hate them.

    And you can also judge a man by the friends he keeps. Just look at all the shady criminals in Trumps life who now are going to jail. And while a total stranger may choose to hate you for random reasons the people you place around you in positions of trust clearly reflect your own values and judgement.

    But whatever. Trump is garbage, and some people like garbage, or at least feel an need to defend it against trash. I don’t.

    @valiuth, these are fair points but not necessarily relevant. Many presidents have been “blessed” with shady associates. Certainly Clinton (both Bill and Hillary) had (and has) shady associates. The shady associations are frequently not widely known until after the election. So the real question is: Who aspires to be president isn’t garbage and how do you know for sure?

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