The Hole I’m Writing This On

 

Amy and I both play World of Warcraft. As the game progressed, we had to use lower settings and had reduced frame rate as our systems aged. So, on Black Friday, we saw some Graphics cards on sale, so we bought a couple. I swapped Amy’s card out in 10 minutes. Old one out, new one in, no problem. For my computer, I had two problems — perhaps you can see one.

Old Case

If I removed the hard drive, then I might have gotten it to fit, but the power supply would not have been enough.

So I waited, and ordered a new case (that could fit a kitten, no picture) and power supply. I got all the parts last night, and was able to swap the motherboard.

At midnight, I decided that sleep would be a good thing. Coming back this morning, I got everything installed and “tidied” up.

The sharp-eyed among you might notice some unconnected cables. Well, the front panel I/O headers on the MoBo are under the Graphics Card, and there’s not clearance to plug them in. There are solutions, but I’ve spent more on this upgrade than I did on the original computer. To be fair, it was a return so it was a reduced price.

Some lessons: another computer is helpful to look up motherboard pinouts. Think about the form factor when buying hardware.

On another note, I might have to unplug the power LED indicator. I can see the light on the ceiling.

Anyone else have some holes that suck money?

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  1. TBA Coolidge
    TBA
    @RobtGilsdorf

    Amy Schley (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):

    This is why I just have someone else make my computers for me.

    Me too. I got off the do it yourself train on these a while back. Just could not keep up.

    What’s hilarious is that my computer, the one that was so easy to swap complements, goes by the name of “The PC of Theseus” because it has been nothing but replacement parts for going on 20 years. It still has a 3.5″ floppy drive!

    According to most Greek scholars, Theseus was a Mac guy. 

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  2. Stad Coolidge
    Stad
    @Stad

    Jimmy Carter (View Comment):

    Spin (View Comment):
    Every so often I think I’ll build myself a smoker.

    I want one . . .

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  3. Hank Rhody, Acting on Emotion Contributor
    Hank Rhody, Acting on Emotion
    @HankRhody

    TBA (View Comment):

    Amy Schley (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):

    This is why I just have someone else make my computers for me.

    Me too. I got off the do it yourself train on these a while back. Just could not keep up.

    What’s hilarious is that my computer, the one that was so easy to swap complements, goes by the name of “The PC of Theseus” because it has been nothing but replacement parts for going on 20 years. It still has a 3.5″ floppy drive!

    According to most Greek scholars, Theseus was a Mac guy.

    That can’t be right; Theseus was supposed to be one of the more intelligent heros.

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  4. Stad Coolidge
    Stad
    @Stad

    I used to build my own desktop computers, but then I started buying laptops.  I have two I currently use – a nine-year old Dell (which I’m using right now as I type), and an Alienware mothership with more bells and whistles than a marching band (big $$$).

    I use my old laptop for mostly word processing and older games, but the new one for modern games that require tons of memory and a high horsepower processor and graphics card.

    The only thing I don’t like about my new machine is I’m stuck with Windows 10.

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  5. Randy Webster Inactive
    Randy Webster
    @RandyWebster

    cirby (View Comment):

    You think a gaming computer is a money sink? Try pricing out a moderately high-end VR rig. It’s like buying a nice used car.

     

    I forget the guy’s name, he was the editor of PC Magazine, but he used to say that the computer you want always costs $3,500.  I guess that’s outdated now.

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  6. Randy Webster Inactive
    Randy Webster
    @RandyWebster

    She (View Comment):

    The (apathetic) King Prawn (View Comment):

    Amy Schley (View Comment):

    She (View Comment):

    ChefSly – Super Kit: Anyone else have some holes that suck money?

    Yarn.

    There are folks here who will understand immediately. The rest of you not so much, now or ever.

    Oh, Chef knows.

    The Princess Prawn has taken up knitting. It’s now a line item in her budget.

    Let me help: qiviut, bison, kid mohair, baby alpaca, angora

    Merino, cashmere, silk

    And so on.

    I have a sister in law who runs an alpaca factory (guess that’s what you call it).  They turn fur into yarn.

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  7. The (apathetic) King Prawn Inactive
    The (apathetic) King Prawn
    @TheKingPrawn

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    cirby (View Comment):

    You think a gaming computer is a money sink? Try pricing out a moderately high-end VR rig. It’s like buying a nice used car.

     

    I forget the guy’s name, he was the editor of PC Magazine, but he used to say that the computer you want always costs $3,500. I guess that’s outdated now.

    Very much so. AMD has provided a challenge to Intel on the CPU side, and hopefully between AMD and Intel there will be some competition for high end graphics against Nvidia soon. Per Tom’s Hardware, the $1500 rig would rock VR, and you can knock a couple of bones off that by going with an RTX 2070 instead of a GTX 1080Ti (which you probably can’t get anymore anyway.) 

    I’ve obviously been looking at these things too much lately, but it’s where I’ve put all my disposable income (and some not so disposable income) lately. Thanks to this topic I’ve had to talk myself out of a new monitor and added debt twice already today. Funny thing is I haven’t even fired up a game at all today.

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  8. The (apathetic) King Prawn Inactive
    The (apathetic) King Prawn
    @TheKingPrawn

    Also, I’ll vouch for the parts in this build. I’ve got the R5 2600X in my rig and it is quite underutilized because I only have an RX 580 for my GPU. Honestly, unless you’re into content creation and need 2 more cores the 2600X (or 2600 if you don’t mind overclocking, which is now super simple) is more than enough for any gaming rig. You don’t even really need to spend the extra money on the X470 motherboard. The B450 (especially the MSI Tomahawk) is more than capable even for a bit of overclocking.

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  9. The (apathetic) King Prawn Inactive
    The (apathetic) King Prawn
    @TheKingPrawn

    If I were building a solid 1080p gaming rig right now I’d put this together. If I were building a decent 1080p budget rig it would be this

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  10. :thinking: Member
    :thinking:
    @TheRoyalFamily

    Stad (View Comment):
    The only thing I don’t like about my new machine is I’m stuck with Windows 10.

    This is why I haven’t gotten a new laptop, or updated my desktop HD. My desktop has W7, and I’m perfectly happy with that. I was a fool and upgraded my laptop from 8.1 to 10, and I really hate it – my system can’t really handle all the stuff Windows wants to constantly do, especially in the first hour or so after it wakes up for the day (which is my most productive computer time, of course…). That, in addition to the forced updates, spying, etc. I wouldn’t mind the Pro version, but I certainly mind paying for it.

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  11. She Member
    She
    @She

    Knotwise the Poet (View Comment):

    She (View Comment):

    Aaron Miller (View Comment):

    Amy Schley (View Comment):
    It still has a 3.5″ floppy drive!

    Don’t worry. You will complete King’s Quest one day.

    My favorite ever (the original, real one, of course). Especially episode three or four. The Perils of Rubella, or something like that, IIRC.

    I’ve only played I, VI, VII, and VIII. My siblings and I played VI and VII together when we were kids and those two games have a special place in my heart. They’ve actually made a new King’s Quest Game (set as a prequel before the original series, I think) that you can buy and download from Steam. I think some day I’m going to have to try it out.

    I hope you do.

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  12. Chris B Member
    Chris B
    @ChrisB

    The (apathetic) King Prawn (View Comment):

    If I were building a solid 1080p gaming rig right now I’d put this together. If I were building a decent 1080p budget rig it would be this.

    A few months back, I decided to replace my ancient 1080p monitor with a new 2K screen. I found that my GTX 960 SSE graphics card simply could not handle textures at that resolution. Even quite aged games would simply choke as the 2 GB of RAM were maxed out. I got frame rates in the teens.

    Fortunately, one of my co-workers decided to upgrade to the latest and greatest, and was willing to let his barely 6 month old GTX 1070 with go for $200.

    The long and short of it, don’t even consider going over 1080p if you don’t have at least 3 GB of RAM in your graphics card, and 8 GB if you’re doing 4K.

    • #42
  13. Clavius Thatcher
    Clavius
    @Clavius

    How do I find the memory on my memory card other than an exhausstive Google search?  

    I do lots of photo editing and I have one 4K and one 1080P and performance is fine.

    • #43
  14. Stina Member
    Stina
    @CM

    She (View Comment):

    ChefSly – Super Kit: Anyone else have some holes that suck money?

    Yarn.

    There are folks here who will understand immediately. The rest of you not so much, now or ever.

    How much you use vs what is stashed for that future dream project that you don’t know what it is but you just know that yarn will be perfect.

    Fabric is my hole.

    • #44
  15. Chris B Member
    Chris B
    @ChrisB

    Clavius (View Comment):

    How do I find the memory on my memory card other than an exhausstive Google search?

    I do lots of photo editing and I have one 4K and one 1080P and performance is fine.

    Sorry, I could have been a bit clearer. My statement applies to gaming, 3D rendering, or CAD.

    Photo editing and general productivity apps use a much different process than 3D rendering since there are only 2 dimensions to work with, and are much less graphics memory intensive because of this. Gaming, 3D rendering, and CAD are usually dependent on complete 3 dimensional redraws of everything  on the screen 60-120 times a second. Textures in a 3D space tend to be the big RAM hog.

    If you’re using Windows 10, your graphics card memory can be found by opening Task Manager and going to the Performance tab. GPU is a should be an option on the left side. There are details if you click on it.

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  16. The (apathetic) King Prawn Inactive
    The (apathetic) King Prawn
    @TheKingPrawn

    Chris B (View Comment):

    The (apathetic) King Prawn (View Comment):

    If I were building a solid 1080p gaming rig right now I’d put this together. If I were building a decent 1080p budget rig it would be this.

    A few months back, I decided to replace my ancient 1080p monitor with a new 2K screen. I found that my GTX 960 SSE graphics card simply could not handle textures at that resolution. Even quite aged games would simply choke as the 2 GB of RAM were maxed out. I got frame rates in the teens.

    Fortunately, one of my co-workers decided to upgrade to the latest and greatest, and was willing to let his barely 6 month old GTX 1070 with go for $200.

    The long and short of it, don’t even consider going over 1080p if you don’t have at least 3 GB of RAM in your graphics card, and 8 GB if you’re doing 4K.

    Lucky. I want to upgrade to that level of GPU, but budgets, desire to stay married, etc.

    • #46
  17. Chris B Member
    Chris B
    @ChrisB

    Stina (View Comment):

    She (View Comment):

    ChefSly – Super Kit: Anyone else have some holes that suck money?

    Yarn.

    There are folks here who will understand immediately. The rest of you not so much, now or ever.

    How much you use vs what is stashed for that future dream project that you don’t know what it is but you just know that yarn will be perfect.

    Fabric is my hole.

    My mother could sympathize with this. I think she has about 500 sq. feet of space dedicated to storing sewing materials, fabric, yarn, ribbon, batting, etc. I’ve lost count of the various machines, though one of these days she’s going to want me to come get the computer to interface with the embroidery machine she bought . . .

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  18. ChefSly - Super Kit Inactive
    ChefSly - Super Kit
    @MrAmy

    The (apathetic) King Prawn (View Comment):
    but budgets, desire to stay married

    Note that we both got one.

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  19. TGR9898 Inactive
    TGR9898
    @TedRudolph

    ChefSly – Super Kit:

    Anyone else have some holes that suck money?

    Yes, but my money holes are all mechanical.

    I build/rebuild my own computers, but since I’m not a gamer mine are much more utilitarian in nature. I just added two 4TB drives to my main house server.  . There are 12 drives in that rackmount chassis, each set up as Raid1 (11TB useable).  One volume dedicated to OS, 1 for playing with Hyper-V, 1 for all my personal docs, 1 one for all my digitized CDs, one for Movies & TV shows & the last volume for the 10,000+ of car pictures my friends have taken. I have other machines in the rack – One is a PVR with a dual-tuner card. Another is a dedicated ESXi machine with a bunch of single-purpose Debian machines on it. And a RPi cluster I put in an old Compaq chassis

    Spin (View Comment):

    However, last year I began dabbling in building ARs. Mainly, as I’ve posted on before, because I wanted each of my kids to have one. I’m still just dabbling, mind you, but these are “holes”, nonetheless. The options for spending money are limitless.

    ARs are fun.  It’s basically adult Lego. I only have one AR now… and just 80% of the other two ;)

    (c.f 80% Lower )

    cirby (View Comment):

    You think a gaming computer is a money sink? Try pricing out a moderately high-end VR rig. It’s like buying a nice used car.

    Still cheaper – and more socially acceptable – than actual cars.  The data collection systems I have in my 5 serious vehicles range in price from $1K to $5K… and they just collect data to tell me how to improve performance. They don’t even contribute directly to the car’s performance: The data they record tells me where to spend the real money.

    Belt (View Comment):

    It used to be that kids and adults would tinker on cars and obsess over the mechanical ins-and-outs of getting the best performance, or the coolest ride, or whatnot. In the 80s and 90s it shifted over to computer hardware, then to websites and blogs. It’s shifting again, but to what? Social media platforms? I wonder…

    There’s still a decent number of kids still playing with cars…. and given the number of computers onboard, it’s a bit of a combination of the old & new hobbies you list. The modern car kids are much more exclusively blue collar than in the past, and given the way that the woke crowd has indoctrinated the “educated” kids against automobiles, the blue collar car kids are definitely shunned. It used to be the High School QB with the fast car was the cool kid…. now it’s the woke pajama boy with the Tesla.

    As far as the modern electronic hobbies, look at the Arduino/Raspberry Pi realm. The Maker crowd does lots of interesting things.

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  20. cirby Inactive
    cirby
    @cirby

    Aaron Miller (View Comment):

    cirby (View Comment):

    You think a gaming computer is a money sink? Try pricing out a moderately high-end VR rig. It’s like buying a nice used car.

     

    Soon there will be a dedicated VR console.

    The consensus seems to be that it’s probably going to suck. The maker has a habit of overpromising and underdelivering.

    If you want to go cheap, get a PS4 VR setup. The resolution isn’t that great, and it’s a sit-down system, but there are some nice games for it (including the currently-exclusive VR version of Borderlands 2).

    • #50
  21. cirby Inactive
    cirby
    @cirby

    TGR9898 (View Comment):
    As far as the modern electronic hobbies, look at the Arduino/Raspberry Pi realm. The Maker crowd does lots of interesting things.

    Arduinos are pretty damned spiffy. I have a bunch of them, and have been doing things like controlling stepper motors and such.

    There’s also a really neat Arduino variation called the M5Stack, which is basically a fast Arduino in a tiny little 2″ x 2″ case, modular, with a battery and an LCD built in.

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  22. The (apathetic) King Prawn Inactive
    The (apathetic) King Prawn
    @TheKingPrawn

    ChefSly – Super Kit (View Comment):

    The (apathetic) King Prawn (View Comment):
    but budgets, desire to stay married

    Note that we both got one.

    She got a Sapphire RX 580 for Christmas because Amazon is evil and sold it to me for $160 on a daily deal…

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  23. Chris B Member
    Chris B
    @ChrisB

    The (apathetic) King Prawn (View Comment):

    Chris B (View Comment):

    The (apathetic) King Prawn (View Comment):

    If I were building a solid 1080p gaming rig right now I’d put this together. If I were building a decent 1080p budget rig it would be this.

    A few months back, I decided to replace my ancient 1080p monitor with a new 2K screen. I found that my GTX 960 SSE graphics card simply could not handle textures at that resolution. Even quite aged games would simply choke as the 2 GB of RAM were maxed out. I got frame rates in the teens.

    Fortunately, one of my co-workers decided to upgrade to the latest and greatest, and was willing to let his barely 6 month old GTX 1070 with go for $200.

    The long and short of it, don’t even consider going over 1080p if you don’t have at least 3 GB of RAM in your graphics card, and 8 GB if you’re doing 4K.

    Lucky. I want to upgrade to that level of GPU, but budgets, desire to stay married, etc.

    If another one wanders my way at a reasonable price, I’ll let you know. A few of my other coworkers are talking about splurging on the RTX 2080 Ti to match the guy that sold me his “old” card.

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  24. She Member
    She
    @She

    Chris B (View Comment):

    My mother could sympathize with this. I think she has about 500 sq. feet of space *that I know of* dedicated to storing sewing materials, fabric, yarn, ribbon, batting, etc. I’ve lost count of the various machines, though one of these days she’s going to want me to come get the computer to interface with the embroidery machine she bought . . .

    FIFY.  Craft stashes such as this are like icebergs.  You only see the ten percent the stash-holder wants you to see.  The really good stuff is private and below the surface.  As for how much space it occupies, or its actual value, you really don’t want to know.

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  25. TBA Coolidge
    TBA
    @RobtGilsdorf

    She (View Comment):

    Chris B (View Comment):

    My mother could sympathize with this. I think she has about 500 sq. feet of space *that I know of* dedicated to storing sewing materials, fabric, yarn, ribbon, batting, etc. I’ve lost count of the various machines, though one of these days she’s going to want me to come get the computer to interface with the embroidery machine she bought . . .

    FIFY. Craft stashes such as this are like icebergs. You only see the ten percent the stash-holder wants you to see. The really good stuff is private and below the surface. As for how much space it occupies, or its actual value, you really don’t want to know.

    Translation: Better men than you have been turned into newts. 

    • #55
  26. ChefSly - Super Kit Inactive
    ChefSly - Super Kit
    @MrAmy

    She (View Comment):
    As for how much space it occupies

    It fits in a box.

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  27. ChefSly - Super Kit Inactive
    ChefSly - Super Kit
    @MrAmy

    Spin (View Comment):
    Every so often I think I’ll build myself a smoker.

    I worry some about what I would get if I had a house and yard.

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  28. ChefSly - Super Kit Inactive
    ChefSly - Super Kit
    @MrAmy

    The (apathetic) King Prawn (View Comment):
    how old is that mobo that it assumes a single slot GPU?

    It’s an Acer inspire tc-120, so at least 3 years old. It was just a smaller form factor. The next upgrade will be Amy’s her board is tenish(I think) years old.

    The (apathetic) King Prawn (View Comment):
    Were you able to at least get the power and reset buttons hooked up?

    Barely. 

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  29. WillowSpring Member
    WillowSpring
    @WillowSpring

    Stad (View Comment):
    The only thing I don’t like about my new machine is I’m stuck with Windows 10.

    Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?

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  30. She Member
    She
    @She

    ChefSly – Super Kit (View Comment):

    She (View Comment):
    As for how much space it occupies

    It fits in a box.

    Sure it does.

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