Mitts gonna Mitt

 

Mitt Romney started the year off with a Washington Post hit piece on the president, with this headline:

Mitt Romney: The president shapes the public character of the nation. Trump’s character falls short.

Even Trump-haters are noticing how this isn’t going the way he hoped:

Romney’s op-ed earned praise from Morning Joe and Jeff Flake, and a tiny sliver of the tiny sliver that is NeverTrump.

It also earned the wrath, mockery and scorn of most of the left and right.

I know on a voting level what matters most is R or D.

But on a public discussion level, losing Orrin Hatch’s seat to Mitt hurts more than losing Flake’s seat to Sinema.

We trusted Romney with the 2012 nomination; admittedly because there were no good candidates. We voted for him in the general and Romney failed to win the election, and stuck us with four more lousy years of President Obama.

Romney should spend more time working humbly to reverse the damage he’s done, and less time grandstanding against the man who succeeded where he failed.

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  1. Jon1979 Inactive
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    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    rgbact (View Comment):

    Kay of MT (View Comment):

    So big deal that our POTUS occasional misuses language, and I guarantee that if Ricochet didn’t have a COC, there would be a lot more on this blog. [Redacted.]

    This isn;t about Trump misusing language. Its about him being dangerously clueless and having very little chance at winning in 2020 against any Democrat without Hillary’s massive baggage. He’s at 39% approval today. If the economy follows stocks down, he’s headed for the mid 30’s. Time to plan for other options or face another election beatdown

    That might be precisely it. I saw this and immediately thought that Romney was positioning himself to be the alternative to Trump in 2020.

    Romney may try to play the role of the sober elder statesman figure that can swoop in and save the party from itself.

    He can try, but he’d have Candy Crowley hung around his neck for the entire 2020 primary season (a very big weight to bear). That would be highly problematic in a direct challenge to Trump, less so if Trump’s problems grow to the point he simply doesn’t run for re-election in ’20, though he’d still face the wrath of the hard-core Trump supporters.

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  2. Kay of MT Inactive
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    rgbact (View Comment):
    This isn’t about Trump misusing language. Its about him being dangerously clueless

    You think he is dangerously clueless and I think he is brilliant. Did you read the link I posted in #45? Obviously not or you wouldn’t think he is clueless.

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  3. Columbo Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I’ve read Mitt’s column several times. I can’t see a sentence that is wrong with it. There, if you have a problem with anything Mitt said, please quote it and say what your problem is. Thanks.

    Thou shalt not speak ill of thy fellow Republican.

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  4. Chris Hutchinson Coolidge
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    Mendel (View Comment):

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    Mendel (View Comment):

    Chris Hutchinson (View Comment):
    I’d personally prefer a more unified party with people who have a whole lot more humility.

    I think trying to force more party unity than what naturally exists is both counterproductive from a policy standpoint, takes elected officials away from their voters, and goes against the spirit of the Founders. The US is much to heterogeneous to be represented by only two positions. And competition is always good.

    Maybe I should have said “publicly” unified. Do you believe the party should split into different factions and the US should morph into a multi-party system?

    Multi-party, no. The advantages wouldn’t outweigh the drawbacks, and in any case our electoral system seems to prevent third parties from thriving.

    And I actually would like to see the government suppression of party power be reversed. Specifically, states shouldn’t legislate or convene party primary elections, and the federal government should not impose limits on donations to parties (or candidates for that matter).

    But at the same time, we should realize that our system wasn’t designed for parties, and that the inevitable two-party system is not flexible enough to cover the incredibly wide range of ideological and interest groups among the electorate. Instead, I think parties themselves should return to their traditional roles of being more transactional than ideological in nature. Allowing more breathing room for ideological and personality differences within the coalition would make it easier to reach compromises within the party, instead of the constant intraparty gridlock that has characterized Republican federal officeholders for the last decade or so.

    Well, I have to say, other than your comment about Romney not losing “primarily because of a lack of support among conservatives” I’m on the exact same page as you.

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  5. Fred Cole Inactive
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    Jon1979 (View Comment):

    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    rgbact (View Comment):

    Kay of MT (View Comment):

    So big deal that our POTUS occasional misuses language, and I guarantee that if Ricochet didn’t have a COC, there would be a lot more on this blog. [Redacted.]

    This isn;t about Trump misusing language. Its about him being dangerously clueless and having very little chance at winning in 2020 against any Democrat without Hillary’s massive baggage. He’s at 39% approval today. If the economy follows stocks down, he’s headed for the mid 30’s. Time to plan for other options or face another election beatdown

    That might be precisely it. I saw this and immediately thought that Romney was positioning himself to be the alternative to Trump in 2020.

    Romney may try to play the role of the sober elder statesman figure that can swoop in and save the party from itself.

    He can try, but he’d have Candy Crowley hung around his neck for the entire 2020 primary season (a very big weight to bear). That would be highly problematic in a direct challenge to Trump, less so if Trump’s problems grow to the point he simply doesn’t run for re-election in ’20, though he’d still face the wrath of the hard-core Trump supporters.

    By 2020, nobody is going to remember or care about Candy Crowley.  It’ll be downed out by might bigger things. 

    Also, if Trump doesn’t run in 2020, then it’s a whole different problem. 

    Short of a major medical issue or a prosecutorial agreement, I can’t envision Trump not running. 

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  6. Bob Thompson Member
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    Mendel (View Comment):
    As much as I admire Romney, his obvious and undying ambition for higher electoral office is a major Achilles heel. The average person who got drummed out of the governership after just one term, then lost a Senate election, a presidential primary, and a general election would likely take the hint and realize the voters just aren’t that into him. The fact that Mitt looked at that track record and thought “I’ll just carpetbag it to Utah!” makes me think he wouldn’t hesitate to jump at another chance for a presidential nomination, however slim.

    And if he wouldn’t stand up to Candy Crowley when needed, when and to whom will he stand up. Isn’t that a ‘character trait’?

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  7. Kay of MT Inactive
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    Gil Reich (View Comment):
    Wow. I’m sorry about all of your bad experiences. Wishing you the best.

    That was all 60 years ago, in the past. I don’t dwell on it, just an example that men and woman of any religion can be just as crappy as any other religion. The fact that they are bigwigs in a church does not give them special powers.

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  8. Fred Cole Inactive
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    Columbo (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I’ve read Mitt’s column several times. I can’t see a sentence that is wrong with it. There, if you have a problem with anything Mitt said, please quote it and say what your problem is. Thanks.

    Thou shalt not speak ill of thy fellow Republican.

    I think that train left the station back in 2015 when Trump took a swipe at McCain for being a prisoner of war  

     

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  9. Kay of MT Inactive
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    rgbact (View Comment):
    This isn’t about Trump misusing language. Its about him being dangerously clueless

    Did you read the link I posted at #45? Probably not or you would not think Trump is clueless.

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  10. ctlaw Coolidge
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    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    Columbo (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I’ve read Mitt’s column several times. I can’t see a sentence that is wrong with it. There, if you have a problem with anything Mitt said, please quote it and say what your problem is. Thanks.

    Thou shalt not speak ill of thy fellow Republican.

    I think that train left the station back in 2015 when Trump took a swipe at McCain for being a prisoner of war

     

    He took a swipe at McCain for being a piece of garbage. The prisoner of war part was a vehicle not a reason.

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  11. Jon1979 Inactive
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    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    Jon1979 (View Comment):

    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    rgbact (View Comment):

    This isn;t about Trump misusing language. Its about him being dangerously clueless and having very little chance at winning in 2020 against any Democrat without Hillary’s massive baggage. He’s at 39% approval today. If the economy follows stocks down, he’s headed for the mid 30’s. Time to plan for other options or face another election beatdown

    That might be precisely it. I saw this and immediately thought that Romney was positioning himself to be the alternative to Trump in 2020.

    Romney may try to play the role of the sober elder statesman figure that can swoop in and save the party from itself.

    He can try, but he’d have Candy Crowley hung around his neck for the entire 2020 primary season (a very big weight to bear). That would be highly problematic in a direct challenge to Trump, less so if Trump’s problems grow to the point he simply doesn’t run for re-election in ’20, though he’d still face the wrath of the hard-core Trump supporters.

    By 2020, nobody is going to remember or care about Candy Crowley. It’ll be downed out by might bigger things.

    Also, if Trump doesn’t run in 2020, then it’s a whole different problem.

    Short of a major medical issue or a prosecutorial agreement, I can’t envision Trump not running.

    It’s not Candy Crowley per se, it’s the meme that Trump fought back when the media went hard against the GOP presidential nominee in 2016, while Romney caved to Crowley when she used inaccurate information against him to help Obama at the 2012 debate. If Mitt wants to run in 2020 — even it Trump’s not seeking re-election — that’s the 800-pound gorilla he’ll have to overcome; that when push comes to shove during the 2020 general election, he’ll do the same thing he did on stage eight years earlier, in allowing the media to walk over him.

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  12. Miffed White Male Member
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    Mendel (View Comment):
    Instead, I think parties themselves should return to their traditional roles of being more transactional than ideological in nature.

    And what’s your proposal to make that possible?

     

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  13. Mendel Inactive
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Mendel (View Comment):
    Instead, I think parties themselves should return to their traditional roles of being more transactional than ideological in nature.

    And what’s your proposal to make that possible?

    The first two steps are for the government to stop regulating the parties.

    First, states should stop legislating and convening party primary elections. A political party is a private institution, and should determine and execute the conditions of its internal affairs on its own dime and without outside interference. Getting the government out of the primary business would allow parties to set parameters, such as the date of the primary and who gets to vote, in a manner that better suits their own interests.

    Second, there should be no limit on the amount of money citizens can donate to parties. Restricting money to parties (and candidates) while allowing unlimited donations to 501c(3) and similar organizations also drains the parties of power and shifts many of their functions to these outside groups (h/t Jonah Goldberg for introducing me to this point).

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  14. rgbact Inactive
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    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    rgbact (View Comment):

    Time to plan for other options or face another election beatdown

    Romney may try to play the role of the sober elder statesman figure that can swoop in and save the party from itself.

    He’s the only person capable. I mean, a recent election rout, a president that can’t break 40%, and a stock market coming down to Earth. The days of sucking up to Trump have got to be over. Somebody better be thinking about alternatives or its malpractice. Great news that Mitt is on it. Others will follow now.

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  15. Columbo Inactive
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    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    rgbact (View Comment):

    Kay of MT (View Comment):

    So big deal that our POTUS occasional misuses language, and I guarantee that if Ricochet didn’t have a COC, there would be a lot more on this blog. [Redacted.]

    This isn;t about Trump misusing language. Its about him being dangerously clueless and having very little chance at winning in 2020 against any Democrat without Hillary’s massive baggage. He’s at 39% approval today. If the economy follows stocks down, he’s headed for the mid 30’s. Time to plan for other options or face another election beatdown

    That might be precisely it. I saw this and immediately thought that Romney was positioning himself to be the alternative to Trump in 2020.

    Romney may try to play the role of the sober elder statesman figure that can swoop in and save the party from itself.

    Clearly this is Romney’s sole objective with this self-serving op-ed, strategically placed in the mouthpiece of the Left in the nation’s capital on the first day of the new year. And be assured that he is reaching out to democrats here. He’s beating Johnny “my dad was a postman” Kasich to the mushy middle. This time he’s really going to make his dem-lite policies appeal to the nation!

    This is all about Mitt and nothing about the GOP. Do you really believe that the Washington Post has the GOP’s best interests at heart? Do you really believe that they would reserve this prime real estate and timing of op-ed placement for this perspective if it truly was going to “save the GOP from itself?” 

    If this was about Mitt saving the Party, why didn’t he use a GOP platform rather than the Compost? 

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  16. 9thDistrictNeighbor Member
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    Clicking through Kay’s link I found this story about Romney’s niece, Ronna McDaniel, who is chair of the RNC.  I don’t actually pay attention to swamp creatures like an RNC chair, but there is food for thought in the article.

    The most likely scenario is Mitt Romney coordinated with other like-minded political allies to start the incoming congressional year with a broadside assault against the chief executive.

    [snip]

    You still think Mitt Romney’s niece, Chairwoman of the RNC, Ronna McDaniel, didn’t know her uncle was going to publish a direct attack against the President of the United States… The president of the party she is in charge of ?…  I digress.

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  17. Fred Cole Inactive
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    Columbo (View Comment):
    If this was about Mitt saving the Party, why didn’t he use a GOP platform rather than the Compost? 

    What counts as a “GOP platform”?  I mean other than amgreatness.com and Zero Hedge. 

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  18. Columbo Inactive
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    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    Columbo (View Comment):
    If this was about Mitt saving the Party, why didn’t he use a GOP platform rather than the Compost?

    What counts as a “GOP platform”? I mean other than amgreatness.com and Zero Hedge.

    I would think that the vaunted National Review would do, don’t you?

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  19. Columbo Inactive
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    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    Columbo (View Comment):
    If this was about Mitt saving the Party, why didn’t he use a GOP platform rather than the Compost?

    What counts as a “GOP platform”? I mean other than amgreatness.com and Zero Hedge.

    Avoiding the point as well? With a sly little dig on conservative platforms. Not as well played as you think.

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  20. ctlaw Coolidge
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    Mitt, like JPod, Bill Kristol, and McCain, is the son of a greater man. This appears to cause a narcissistic seeking of cheap grace.

    He would not go after Obama and the left, even though they tell big lies with malevolent intent and no excuse. He does not want to pay the price.

    Instead, he goes after Trump for what are at most small lies, more often mistakes, often truths, and usually excusable because Trump is having to extemporaneously fight a battle alone while being backstabbed by the likes of Romney.

    Consider Romney’s attempt at a point:

    and the president’s thoughtless claim that America has long been a “sucker” in world affairs all defined his presidency down.

    Is that claim true or false? It’s clearly true. But it does not make Romney feel good.

    To Romney, I say: “You are why Trump!”

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  21. DrewInWisconsin Member
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  22. Hang On Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I’ve read Mitt’s column several times. I can’t see a sentence that is wrong with it. There, if you have a problem with anything Mitt said, please quote it and say what your problem is. Thanks.

     

    “America is strongest when our arms are linked with other nations. We want a unified and strong Europe, not a disintegrating union. “

    Europe is led by the likes of Macron, Merkel and Junckers – arrogant, obnoxious, out-of-touch, i.e., kind of like those who make stupid comments about the 47% – who are facing existential crises of their own due to their own stupidity. I can understand why Mitt would want to be closer to them.

    “Several former Soviet satellite states are rethinking their commitment to democracy.”

    Who exactly is doing that? Several former Soviet satellite states are rethinking their commitment to the EU. But then the EU is anything but democratic. These former Soviet satellite countries are exactly following democracy because their people do not like the hectoring and bullying of the other EU members. 

    “The alternative to U.S. world leadership offered by China and Russia is autocratic, corrupt and brutal.”

    So Mitt wants to continue with the old Cold War paradigm where we supply security and our open markets ad infinitum to European and Asian exports while abandoning American industry and American workers. If that’s what he really thinks, I am totally opposed. Trump is trying a renegotiation and he is right, we have been played for suckers since the end of the Cold War.

     

     

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  23. Fred Cole Inactive
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    Columbo (View Comment):

    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    Columbo (View Comment):
    If this was about Mitt saving the Party, why didn’t he use a GOP platform rather than the Compost?

    What counts as a “GOP platform”? I mean other than amgreatness.com and Zero Hedge.

    Avoiding the point as well? With a sly little dig on conservative platforms. Not as well played as you think.

    I didn’t miss your point. I understood it.

    You buy into that false notion that the Washington Post is just a Democratic propaganda mouthpiece, not a newspaper.  

    I didn’t avoid your point. You’re just wrong. The Washington Post is the leading newspaper in the nation’s capital.  That’s why he published it there. 

     

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  24. She Member
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    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    She (View Comment):

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    Glory be, Fred. I should think the Founding Fathers are rolling over in their respective graves. The President is not the Monarch.

    I think Fred just means that the president is both head of government and head of state, a point Churchill made.

    I daresay Fred did. I think he’d made it though, when he said that the President is the head of state (which in no way implies monarchical equivalence). There is no monarchical equivalence. Which was my point.

    The Queen is the head of state. That was precisely my point. In many (probably a majority) of Republican systems, head of government and head of state are not embodied in one person. So in several countries you have a president and a PM.

    But it would be confusing for me to say that on the US, the president is both PM and president. So I used a monarchical term to unambiguously explain my point.

    Thanks for the explanation. Unfortunately, even the Queen isn’t much of a Queen any more, as the most casual acquaintance with the state of her country would make clear.

    Still, in spite of the fact that the US President “serves as both the head of the Executive branch of government and as the head of state, all wrapped into one” (the most unambiguous and un-confusing way of putting it that I can think of), the fact remains that neither I, nor many people, look to the occupant of the White House for moral guidance and direction.  Just as most Brits no longer expect upstanding moral rectitude from members of the Royal Family, nor model themselves upon it.  Those days are long over.  And not because of anything Donald Trump has done or not done, I assure you.

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  25. CB Toder aka Mama Toad Member
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    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    That tweet from Mollie is quite funny. She is a gem.

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  26. DrewInWisconsin Member
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    Mitt Romney is like the brick-and-mortar specialty retailer that refuses to adjust to the world of online shopping, stubbornly sticking to a business model from a previous century and then complaining as their customer base dwindles to nothing.

    The old model for electoral politics in the United States is dead. Romney is the guy pining for the olden days and complaining about the kids and their newfangled ideas! Romney got elected to the Senate in the only place in the United States where he could. But he had to be as much of a carpet-bagger as Senator Hillary Clinton From New York.

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    I’ve read Mitt’s column several times. I can’t see a sentence that is wrong with it. There, if you have a problem with anything Mitt said, please quote it and say what your problem is. Thanks.

    Thou shalt not speak ill of thy fellow Republican.

    I think that train left the station back in 2015 when Trump took a swipe at McCain for being a prisoner of war

    He took a swipe at McCain for being a piece of garbage. The prisoner of war part was a vehicle not a reason.

    Yeah. I mean, if there’s anyone who is equipped to judge another man’s Vietnam War service, it’s Donald Trump. After all, he had his own personal Vietnam.

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  28. Columbo Inactive
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    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    Columbo (View Comment):

    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    Columbo (View Comment):
    If this was about Mitt saving the Party, why didn’t he use a GOP platform rather than the Compost?

    What counts as a “GOP platform”? I mean other than amgreatness.com and Zero Hedge.

    Avoiding the point as well? With a sly little dig on conservative platforms. Not as well played as you think.

    I didn’t miss your point. I understood it.

    You buy into that false notion that the Washington Post is just a Democratic propaganda mouthpiece, not a newspaper.

    I didn’t avoid your point. You’re just wrong. The Washington Post is the leading newspaper in the nation’s capital. That’s why he published it there.

     

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  29. DrewInWisconsin Member
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    CB Toder aka Mama Toad (View Comment):

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    That tweet from Mollie is quite funny. She is a gem.

    Mollie is brilliant and once again I mourn her absence from Ricochet.

    In the Washington Examiner’s “What Does it Mean to be a Conservative Today?” I think she nails it.

    While others are content to tut-tut, Romney-like, about lack of decorum and crap like that, Mollie gets to the heart of the matter:

    One of the ways that Vladimir Putin retains power in Russia is to permit a systemic, yet insincere opposition in the legislature. Technically, these individuals are in an opposing party, but they are generally fine with Putin’s government. Putin uses them to monitor his opposition and to create an illusion that there’s an outlet for contrary opinions.

    For too long, the conservative movement in Washington, D.C., functioned as the systemic opposition to progressivism’s march through American institutions, public and private. Technically, they were opposed, and they’d make some sounds about opposing the growth of the administrative state and the cultural rot. But they were never terribly successful at returning the country to its first principles or constitutional order, despite the millions of supporters who put them in power and expected not just rhetoric but results.

    Conservatism now is about rejecting this rigged system and taking the risk of working outside of it to advance its principles and policy objectives. The fact that conservatism had become a checklist of watered-down progressive policy prescriptions only served to hasten the demise of the old system.

    What was conservatism’s last great accomplishment? The expansion of Medicare Part D? The failed efforts to spread democracy by force through the Middle East? Wasted years talking about the repeal and replacement of Obamacare? Sitting idly by while Silicon Valley tech oligarchs took control of our discourse and set the parameters for acceptable thoughts and speech?

    There is a limit to how long people could ride the high of the Reagan years without successive accomplishments.

    Conservatism today is properly understood as constitutionalism and a revisiting of first principles about securing the blessings of liberty. It’s a movement that demands meaningful free-trade agreements instead of just agreements based on the hope that someday China will play fair. It seeks hearty discussions about national sovereignty and meaningful borders. It acknowledges the limits, and costs, of military action. It recognizes that crouching cowardice in the face of cultural losses led the country to its current precipice, where people are terrified to speak freely and speak the truth.

    And it doesn’t care one whit if it has to completely upset the existing political order.

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  30. ctlaw Coolidge
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    Fred Cole (View Comment):


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    I’ve read Mitt’s column several times. I can’t see a sentence that is wrong with it. There, if you have a problem with anything Mitt said, please quote it and say what your problem is. Thanks.

    Thou shalt not speak ill of thy fellow Republican.

    I think that train left the station back in 2015 when Trump took a swipe at McCain for being a prisoner of war

    He took a swipe at McCain for being a piece of garbage. The prisoner of war part was a vehicle not a reason.

    Yeah. I mean, if there’s anyone who is equipped to judge another man’s Vietnam War service, it’s Donald Trump. After all, he had his own personal Vietnam.

    He was judging things like McCain’s backstabbing of the base and throwing the election to Obama. He has proven decently equipped to do so.

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