The American Reverence Problem

 

Last year’s huge hit film Greatest Showman, with its highly fictionalized story of P.T. Barnum’s rise from the slums to the apex of American success and society, could be thought of as a case study in what makes American’s quintessentially themselves. There is however one scene that makes another and for the purposes of this essay, more important point about the American character: The meeting with Queen Victoria. For the three people on Ricochet who have been living under a rock and have not seen it yet, the meeting threatens to end in disaster when the Queen makes a remark about Tom Thumb’s height and gets from him the response “You ain’t exactly reachin’ the top shelf yourself, sister.”

And everyone in the room holds his/her breath waiting to see how the Queen responds to this irreverent remark concerning her person. Will she be offended at the lack of deference to her state? Will she ignore it? Or will she be able to laugh at herself? She does, they do, the audience does (it was a laugh line after all) and the film goes on. More than anything else, though, this one line of dialogue is what distinguishes Barnum’s Americans from the British subjects in the scene. Not attire, status or fame, but the attitude toward a person who is supposed to be and is accustomed to being treated with deference and even reverence by others in society. The Brits are shocked and the Americans are all kicking themselves for not having made the remark first.

Irreverence is, I would say, certainly an element in some humor and even a healthy one. In the classics of our national pieces of literature, we all enjoy seeing the Tartuffe get his comeuppance and the “Man nach der Uhr” get shafted on his own obsession with punctuality. In modern and specifically American comedies, we root for Otis Driftwood as he takes the air out of Mr. Gottlieb or Major B.F. Pierce taking down Major Frank Burns a peg or two through total disregard of or respect for the positions of the respective objects of our contempt, who are invariably authority figures in these comedic situations. This element of character, the irreverent but clever character who triumphs over the stodgy authority figure is also an element of films, books, television shows, of course, and it seems to me one typical of the culture of the United States. Americans, being born rebels with a righteous cause, seem to reflexively believe that any rebellion is justified and any authority figure, from king to president to beat cop is a suitable target just for being a figure who expects deference and respect.

In the impulse to challenge authority where the person bearing it seems undeserving, there is at the base a good motive at work: The desire to see a consonance between the reverence and respect shown to an office or station and the character of the person who holds it. The problem is: at what point did this lack of reverence become a kind of contempt that is irredeemably socially corrosive? When did it become acceptable to move on from a mild irreverence aimed, perhaps correctively, at deserving targets, to reflexive contempt for concepts or persons that ought to be revered? The ultimate end of the spectrum moving away from reverence for that which should be revered is contempt and scorn for everything and everyone. It is having effects on our society which we may not be able to stop. From my experience, reading and observation of the past three decades, give or take a bit, the Marxist turn in our culture bears the greatest culpability in warping what should be a harmless and even beneficial impulse in cultural criticism into a destructive force. That is of course, Marx’s aim, as well as that of his acolytes and generations of worshippers. Everything has to be seen as an apparatus of oppression, and reverence for concepts like patriotism, love of family, the accumulated wisdom of civilization, that reverence has to seen as a false consciousness serving the ends of oppression. Of course, once the apparatus and the false consciousness have been identified, they have to be destroyed. For the glory of the world worker’s revolution. Or the liberation of the marginalized. Or to save Gaia from the depredations of capitalism. Fill in your favorite gout of leftist cant here. The end result is: Nothing can be left to revere, nothing to hold in awe, and certainly no person may be left with a sense of inherent, deserved respect.

Nothing? Yeah, nothing. As in, not even the memorials to the victims of Auschwitz, the Normandy memorial or to the victims of the World Trade Center attacks. These locations, among others, ought to be sites we treat with real reverence, given what they represent, but have been used by young Americans of all people as sites for selfies with a decidedly not reverent character. Yes, that’s old news (2016 and before) due to rules that had to be posted banning selfies and even the possession of selfie sticks at such locations, not for reasons of safety but of propriety. Why on Earth should it be necessary to issue such a ban? Because a generation that has been taught to revere nothing will and does have contempt for everything. Recently deceased German theologian and philosopher Robert Spaemann noted that while insight into truth can only come in a state of freedom, behavior can and sometimes must be coerced. It seems to me that the more a society finds need to legislate behavior, the greater its drift away from any notion of truth that is to be accepted, honored and revered.

It would be easy, though time-consuming, to add several hundred words with examples of how the irreverent bent in American culture is entirely based on challenging or deflating authority or attacking what others revere or venerate, and were this an academic paper or a piece of paid writing, I would do exactly that. But it is neither, and instead I just want to posit the following and ask a question.

The proposition: America has developed a problem with reverence- we just don’t harbor it for anything or anyone- which is already producing and will continue to produce results in human behavior that are destructive to a free society.

The question: Can this be reversed?

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  1. Kevin Schulte Member
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    Al Sparks (View Comment):

    I’d like to take a moment, since it was mentioned, to comment on the U.S. Presidency and the reverence it’s held.

    This is a relatively new phenomenon starting with World War II and extending into the Cold War. A lot of the reverence is due to the president’s status as head of the military, also referred to as “Commander in Chief”. One of the modern symbols of the presidency is the airplane he flies in, which is operated by the U.S. military.

    I’ll add that when he flies in it, it disrupts domestic airline traffic. That’s not all he disrupts. Rob Long has talked about how the present incumbent disrupts New York pedestrian traffic, since he does live in New York City’s Manhattan. And his motorcades in large cities like Los Angelos can disrupt traffic for thousands of people.

    Before FDR, the presidency was respected more, with less reverence.

    The reverence that the Oval Office gets is unique to any other democracy. The UK’s Number 10 Downing Street was mentioned. I don’t know of any democracy that also treats their office as a kind of throne room.

    The presidency is an example where the reverence has gone too far. The present incumbent is starting to make the office a bit of a joke. Most people deplore that. I’m not.

    Part of this is the need to protect the office holder from getting whacked.

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  2. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Kevin Schulte (View Comment):

    Al Sparks (View Comment):

    I’d like to take a moment, since it was mentioned, to comment on the U.S. Presidency and the reverence it’s held.

    This is a relatively new phenomenon starting with World War II and extending into the Cold War. A lot of the reverence is due to the president’s status as head of the military, also referred to as “Commander in Chief”. One of the modern symbols of the presidency is the airplane he flies in, which is operated by the U.S. military.

    I’ll add that when he flies in it, it disrupts domestic airline traffic. That’s not all he disrupts. Rob Long has talked about how the present incumbent disrupts New York pedestrian traffic, since he does live in New York City’s Manhattan. And his motorcades in large cities like Los Angelos can disrupt traffic for thousands of people.

    Before FDR, the presidency was respected more, with less reverence.

    The reverence that the Oval Office gets is unique to any other democracy. The UK’s Number 10 Downing Street was mentioned. I don’t know of any democracy that also treats their office as a kind of throne room.

    The presidency is an example where the reverence has gone too far. The present incumbent is starting to make the office a bit of a joke. Most people deplore that. I’m not.

    Part of this is the need to protect the office holder from getting whacked.

    Yeah. Wacking politicians sounds like European feudal King stuff. 

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  3. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Gil Reich (View Comment):

    At its best, American irreverence has its own reverence, seriousness, respect and responsibility. Frank Sinatra saying the things one truly feels and not the words of one who kneels.

    When the irreverence is not rooted in a deeper reverence we have a problem.

    Kevin D. Williamson has a great piece on this destructive irreverence.

    Watching Carlin’s final HBO special, It’s Bad for Ya, is a useful illustration of the social power of comedy. The program runs for 67 minutes, during which Carlin never quite manages to say anything that is funny — it is not even obvious that he is trying to. He’s angry and bitter, though in a way that’s more like George Carlin doing a George Carlin impersonation than anything suggesting genuine rage. And what would he be raging about? He lived a life of privilege and ease: educated privately in Christian schools, sent to a beloved summer camp in New Hampshire (he was so fond of it that he had his ashes scattered there after his death, a strange gesture for a man who claimed to reject superstition), and sustained by a 36-year marriage that ended with the death of his first wife — all while he grew immensely wealthy mocking the bourgeois values and institutions that shaped and sheltered him. He was, in that sense, a typical product of the 1960s counterculture.

    A celebrity has high status, a person standing on a stage at the center of attention has high status, and George Carlin in performance was both. Hence his remarkable ability to say the most banal things to uproarious laughter. From It’s Bad for Ya:

    There’s just enough bullsh** to hold things together in this country. Bullsh** is the glue that binds us as a nation. Where would we be without our safe, familiar, American bullsh**. Land of the free. Home of the brave. The American dream. All men are equal. Justice is blind. The press is free. Your vote counts. Business is honest. The good guys win. The police are on your side. God is watching you. Your standard of living will never decline. And everything is going to be just fine. The official national bullsh** story. 

    Can you find the funny part? You would not laugh without a reasonably skilled (and preferably famous) comedian showing you where you are supposed to laugh. Comedy, like tragedy, has its origin in ritual. Stand-up comedy is simply comedy post–Vatican II: The officiant faces the congregation rather than the altar.

    Without meaning, without reverence, something bad takes it place. George Carlin, because he can’t believe in anything good, only sees the bad stuff. I wrote a pretty dark essay about this. People need to be reminded to see the good. 

     

     

     

     

     

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  4. The Reticulator Member
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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):
    Kevin D. Williamson has a great piece on this destructive irreverence.

    Thx. I’ve often said that the purpose of the hate media, such as page 1 of the WSJ, is to teach us who to hate. Williamson is more nuanced.

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  5. Al Sparks Coolidge
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    Kevin Schulte (View Comment):
    Part of this is the need to protect the office holder from getting whacked.

    Yet, prime ministers and presidents of other democracies don’t walk around with near the troupe of people and the disruptions that implies, including security.

    There wouldn’t be as much interest in assasinating whoever holds the office if it embued it with this overly done deference.

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  6. Chris Campion Coolidge
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    I’m not sure I agree.

    I think there is reverence for the expectation that government will fix our problems for us.  There’s an expectation (for roughly half the population) that the job of government is to provide.  That idea is sacrosanct to some degree on the left, and it’s not something lightly questioned.  For example, be a politician and question Medicare.  See how that works for you.

    When we have people like Bernie Sanders living in public office for decades, literally leeching off the people who work for a living, and someone asks me why I don’t revere people in public office, I really feel like I should just be able to point to Sanders, a freakshow socialist dangerclown, and if the person asking the question doesn’t understand what I mean, they are the problem.

    I also think irreverence is what birthed the revolution.  Why should someone, living 1,000 miles from a king, hacking their living out of the wilderness, kneel to someone who does literally nothing for them, except demand the knee and a tax?

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  7. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Chris Campion (View Comment):
    I think there is reverence for the expectation that government will fix our problems for us. There’s an expectation (for roughly half the population) that the job of government is to provide.

    I, too, began thinking of the expectations problem while reading this. I really don’t want to turn this into another Trump/anti-Trump thread, but I’ve often thought — as a matter of principle — a big part of the anti-Trump reaction is the expectation of deference (if not reverence) for the office-holder. But, why? Why should the president be a role model for our kids or even someone we can admire — as long as he’s leaving us the hell alone??! I think that kind of deference for the office is a set-up for unhappiness and places too much importance on the nature of the occupant. It’s nice when we get a Reagan, but if we’re lucky to have one like him in a lifetime, maybe we should be satisfied and move on.

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  8. She Member
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    Hartmann von Aue: Last year’s huge hit film Greatest Showman, with its highly fictionalized story of P.T. Barnum’s rise from the slums to the apex of American success and society, could be thought of as a case study in what makes American’s quintessentially themselves. There is however one scene that makes another and for the purposes of this essay, more important point about the American character: The meeting with Queen Victoria. For the three people on Ricochet who have been living under a rock and have not seen it yet, the meeting threatens to end in disaster when the Queen makes a remark about Tom Thumb’s height and gets from him the response “You ain’t exactly reachin’ the top shelf yourself, sister.”

    I think your math’s a bit off, given the responses on the first page of comments.  A few more than three, maybe.

    I’m one of them.  I started to watch it on a rather long plane trip earlier this year, and lost interest very quickly.  Perhaps I should give it another go.

    Your story about the scene with Queen Victoria, though, reminds me of one that my Dad used to tell about his meeting with the Pope the day the Americans marched into Rome.  Dad was there with a couple of Army buddies, the Pope and a few of his hangers-on were there, and there were some American officers there for a photo opportunity.  Enabling the photo opportunity was a press cameraman Dad use to swear was named Hyman Gluckbein.  And when things were suitably arranged, after much fussing about, and Mr. Gluckbein had everything lined up to his satisfaction, he shouted out to the Pope, who’d begun to lose some patience with the proceedings,  in an unmistakable New York brogue, “Hold it, Pope!  Dat’s fine.”

    The Pope smiled weakly, held it, and Mr. Gluckbein got his shot.

    As for reverence, I think it starts with the family, at a very young age, probably with learning to respect your elders, and, as they used to be called before many went wobbly, “your betters.”  Nothing like the idea of being taught, right from the start, that you haven’t swallowed the book on everything, and that there are actually people on earth who know more than you do about stuff.  Once one’s mastered that, the idea that there’s a higher power, and a few more things in life that we’re not the boss of, isn’t such a stretch.

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