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There’s no comment section for this article, so I’ll vent here. My comments are in bold.

Why do men have a reputation for never asking for directions, even when they’re lost? Is it because they’re macho, or just don’t like maps? Why do we enjoy the hunt over finding the prize?

Technology has made that debate moot with the invention of GPS — the Global Positioning System.

The history of GPS isn’t that old, but it is fascinating.

In 1973, the U.S. Department of Defense launched the first of a fleet of 31 satellites circling 12,550 miles above the globe.

No – GPS was initially formulated in 1973. The first satellite carrying a rubidium atomic clock, NTS-1 (for Navigation Technology Satellite), was launched in 1974. The first satellite carrying a cesium atomic clock, NTS-2, was launched in 1977. GPS Block 1 (test) satellites were launched from 1978-85. The first operational, Block 2, satellite was launched in 1989.

Each satellite has a built-in atomic clock, synchronized with the ground station and the other satellites. The satellites constantly transmit data about their time and location and GPS “receivers” (in your car and phone) pick up the signals from at least four satellites to compute your location.

The GPS system was initially only for military use. But after Korean Airlines flight 007 was shot down for straying into Russian airspace, President Ronald Reagan issued an order making the system available for civilians.

No, GPS was always intended for both civilian and military use. But only the military was willing to fund the early development. TI was selling the civilian 4100 receiver beginning in 1981, two years before KAL 007 was shot down.

The MSM wonders why we don’t trust them when they can’t get the simplest facts correct.

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  1. dnewlander Inactive
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    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):
    I think you’re right. GPS, with real-time directions, seems to be dumbing people down (not those reading now, of course).

    Oh, it certainly has dumbed me down. I used to pride myself on my skill in using inadequate maps to get around by bicycle. Even more difficult was using maps and compass in the late 60s to get around in the Boundary Waters by canoe. I was one of the last holdouts who didn’t use GPS on his bicycle, because I didn’t want just directions but maps that gave me the context. I still do, but now I can get that on my 8″ tablet. I usually have my historical maps overlaid on others, and saved as georeferenced PDFs.

    When we’re driving in strange places, I sometimes wonder how we ever found our destination in the old days. I probably could re-learn how to get around by paper map, but it would be hard.

    My wife has a GPS that she drags along on trips, but I still refuse to use it. Prior to setting out for a destination, I’ll read over paper maps, plant them in my head, and off we go! Sometimes I’ll call up maps on the internet and print them out to take with me. GPS for me is a bit of a last resort. I trust my own sense of direction first.

    I was driving to Dallas two years ago and Waze told me to go way out of the direct route. There was a bad crash which shut down the main highway for a long time. It may have saved me hours; that’s where the program pays for itself.

    ‘Specially since it’s free, right?

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    blank generation member (View Comment):

    ST (View Comment):

    dnewlander (View Comment):

    ST (View Comment):

    Off topic but I’ go for it.

    We got frequency hopping radios at Light Armored Infantry in the late 80’s. I was there. How do people make these things (frequency hopping radios = dozens of radios talking to each other but all changing freqs at the same time) happen?

    I believe that they were some of the first frequency hopping radios in the USMC – maybe in all of the ground forces?

    BTW: It took us forever to figure out how to make them work.

    Whoever you are, thanks for making us less vulnerable to the enemy.

    Pretty sure the ground breaking work on this front was done by Hedy Lamar.

    Yeah, that one:

    It's The Pictures That Got Small ...: THE SATURDAY GLAMOUR 15!

    Nope. They were “singars” or something like that.

    SINCGARS?

    yep.  that was probably them.

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  3. Richard Easton Coolidge
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    False stories frequently come from journalists copying other wrong stories.  Given the effect of the internet on the number and pay of journalistic positions, people are pressured to produce material quickly.  Even well regarded people like Simon Winchester and Walter Isaacson have recently repeated the fable that GPS started as a military only system.  Then there are the people who exaggerate their importance to the creation of GPS.  I’ve found many mistakes in the writings of one prominent person who has been called the father of GPS.  But the mistakes all lie in one direction (exaggerating his importance and denigrating the work of my Dad).  

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    Richard Easton (View Comment):
    (exaggerating his importance and denigrating the work of my Dad).

    imagine my surprise?!?

     

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  5. Richard Easton Coolidge
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    ST (View Comment):

    Richard Easton (View Comment):
    (exaggerating his importance and denigrating the work of my Dad).

    imagine my surprise?!?

     

    Another prominent person, who has received many awards for GPS, didn’t understand how it worked.  He thought it worked like LORAN.  Yet I’ve heard him called the coinventor of GPS.

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    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    ST (View Comment):

    Richard Easton (View Comment):
    (exaggerating his importance and denigrating the work of my Dad).

    imagine my surprise?!?

     

    Another prominent person, who has received many awards for GPS, didn’t understand how it worked. He thought it worked like LORAN. Yet I’ve heard him called the coinventor of GPS.

    I hate to say it but will say it anyway:  Dude, find your zen.

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  7. Richard Easton Coolidge
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    ST (View Comment):

    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    ST (View Comment):

    Richard Easton (View Comment):
    (exaggerating his importance and denigrating the work of my Dad).

    imagine my surprise?!?

     

    Another prominent person, who has received many awards for GPS, didn’t understand how it worked. He thought it worked like LORAN. Yet I’ve heard him called the coinventor of GPS.

    I hate to say it but will say it anyway: Dude, find your zen.

    That’s good advice, but it’s more fun tilting at windmills.

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    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    ST (View Comment):

    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    ST (View Comment):

    Richard Easton (View Comment):
    (exaggerating his importance and denigrating the work of my Dad).

    imagine my surprise?!?

     

    Another prominent person, who has received many awards for GPS, didn’t understand how it worked. He thought it worked like LORAN. Yet I’ve heard him called the coinventor of GPS.

    I hate to say it but will say it anyway: Dude, find your zen.

    That’s good advice, but it’s more fun tilting at windmills.

    tell me, amigo mio, about it

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  9. Qoumidan Coolidge
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    DonG (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):
    And I meet a lot of people that way, too. Most people are happy to give directions.

    Enjoy it while you can. Gen Y and Z don’t know what maps are or how to get to the end of the street without turn-by-turn GPS.

    I noticed this with my much younger sisters.  One has been in this town for 2 years and still cannot get around without help.  When I moved here in 2001 I looked at maps and then drove around for hours to figure out where things were.  Now that I have gps, I make it point to be able to find things by memory, especially things I frequent.  But I will note that I suck at it.

    My husband, on the other hand, doesn’t have to ask for directions, because he actually always knows where he is.  It probably helped that as he was growing up his mother delivered tons of papers and phone books, thus drilling in the need for both paying attention and memorizing locations.

    Also, when I was young, there wasn’t much to do in the car and I got carsick so I had to pay attention to the road, whereas both my young sisters look at the phones, even the one that gets carsick, even on a one minute drive and so they never can memorize the drive because they are never paying attention.  

     

    Boy, did that become a Back in MY Day!

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  10. TBA Coolidge
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    Richard Easton:

    There’s no comment section for this article, so I’ll vent here. 

    They got the important facts right, though; men are jerks, the military keep all the good stuff for themselves and would have gone on doing so but Reagan was forced to allow civilian use after a plane was shot down. 

     

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    TBA (View Comment):
    the military keep all

    Certainly true at the higher echelons but not at the “ground pounder” level.  We (USMC grunts) were not pampered.

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  12. Kozak Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I don’t know about others, but when the title of an article or post have the term “fake news” in it, I don’t read the article or post. Just sayin’.

    Thanks for sharing.

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  13. Flicker Coolidge
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    That left turn things is a bugaboo. I do less and less of those these days, unless I have a light.

    GPS aside, I’ll do three right turns before I do one left.  But that’s because I’m conservative, I guess.

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  14. Kozak Member
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    ST (View Comment):
    We got frequency hopping radios at Light Armored Infantry in the late 80’s. I was there. How do people make these things (frequency hopping radios = dozens of radios talking to each other but all changing freqs at the same time) happen? 

    Yeah. we had “Have Quick” radio frequency changing radios in our F-4’s when I was int the AF in the late 80’s.  So when they didn’t sinc up we were deaf and dumb, reduced to hand signals for com.  Nice when it worked…

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  15. Matt Balzer, Straw Bootlegger Member
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    dnewlander (View Comment):
    I don’t need to be told three times that I need to get ready to turn, to prepare to turn, and to turn

    What’s with the preparing? You’re always preparing to do stuff! 

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  16. dnewlander Inactive
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    Matt Balzer, Straw Bootlegger (View Comment):

    dnewlander (View Comment):
    I don’t need to be told three times that I need to get ready to turn, to prepare to turn, and to turn

    What’s with the preparing? You’re always preparing to do stuff!

    Not me. That’s the stupid Google Navigation garbage. I hate how it tells you basic stuff multiple times for no reason, but forgets to tell you useful stuff, like, oh, “When you take the next exit in Amarillo, the place you’re trying to get to is on the far side of the three-lane frontage road, so you should really get off at the exit before the one I’m going to tell you to get off at, because there’s no way you’re crossing three lanes of lunchtime traffic in a hundred yards.”

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  17. Matt Balzer, Straw Bootlegger Member
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    dnewlander (View Comment):

    Matt Balzer, Straw Bootlegger (View Comment):

    dnewlander (View Comment):
    I don’t need to be told three times that I need to get ready to turn, to prepare to turn, and to turn

    What’s with the preparing? You’re always preparing to do stuff!

    Not me. That’s the stupid Google Navigation garbage. I hate how it tells you basic stuff multiple times for no reason, but forgets to tell you useful stuff, like, oh, “When you take the next exit in Amarillo, the place you’re trying to get to is on the far ride of the three-lane frontage road, so you should really get off at the exit before the one I’m going to tell you to get off at, because there’s no way you’re crossing three lanes of lunchtime traffic in a hundred yards.”

    I know. I was quoting or at least paraphrasing Spaceballs.

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  18. dnewlander Inactive
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    Matt Balzer, Straw Bootlegger (View Comment):

    dnewlander (View Comment):

    Matt Balzer, Straw Bootlegger (View Comment):

    dnewlander (View Comment):
    I don’t need to be told three times that I need to get ready to turn, to prepare to turn, and to turn

    What’s with the preparing? You’re always preparing to do stuff!

    Not me. That’s the stupid Google Navigation garbage. I hate how it tells you basic stuff multiple times for no reason, but forgets to tell you useful stuff, like, oh, “When you take the next exit in Amarillo, the place you’re trying to get to is on the far ride of the three-lane frontage road, so you should really get off at the exit before the one I’m going to tell you to get off at, because there’s no way you’re crossing three lanes of lunchtime traffic in a hundred yards.”

    I know. I was quoting or at least paraphrasing Spaceballs.

    Ah. Not my favorite movie. I think I’ve seen it 1.5 times.

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  19. Paul Erickson Inactive
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    That left turn things is a bugaboo. I do less and less of those these days, unless I have a light.

    GPS aside, I’ll do three right turns before I do one left. But that’s because I’m conservative, I guess.

    @flicker, are you my father-in-law?!?

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  20. Flicker Coolidge
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    dnewlander (View Comment):

    Ah. Not my favorite movie. I think I’ve seen it 1.5 times.

    Same here.  I used to believe that Space Balls was the worst movie ever made (for its pedigree).  But my opinion started to change when I watched footage of Chinese opening bottles of fresh air.

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  21. Flicker Coolidge
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    Paul Erickson (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    That left turn things is a bugaboo. I do less and less of those these days, unless I have a light.

    GPS aside, I’ll do three right turns before I do one left. But that’s because I’m conservative, I guess.

    @flicker, are you my father-in-law?!?

    Possibly.  My father once told me maternity is provable, paternity is conjecture.

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  22. Old Buckeye Inactive
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    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):
    Prior to setting out for a destination, I’ll read over paper maps, plant them in my head, and off we go!

    This is how I operate too. By looking at the map, I have a clear visual picture in my head and even if I don’t know all the finer points of the trip, I’ll know which directions I need to go, the major roads to take, what towns I’ll pass before I get to the destination, etc. I need that visual in my head to make sense of any other directions such as a turn-by-turn on Google maps so that I know which parts of those are basically N/A–like how to get from my house to the interstate. 

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  23. Old Buckeye Inactive
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    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):
    Well, . . . Dallas highways are so insane you should always choose to avoid them. ; )

    AMEN!!

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  24. TBA Coolidge
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    Moderator Note:

    Folks, the point has been made. Please focus on the OP and the relevant discussions, because continuing the derail the thread by responding to an off-topic comment is just as rude as the original off-topic comment.

    Kozak (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I don’t know about others, but when the title of an article or post have the term “fake news” in it, I don’t read the article or post. Just sayin’.

    Thanks for sharing.

    How can we be sure that Gary isn’t reading this thread? 

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  25. Richard Easton Coolidge
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    ST (View Comment):

    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    ST (View Comment):

    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    ST (View Comment):

    Richard Easton (View Comment):
    (exaggerating his importance and denigrating the work of my Dad).

    imagine my surprise?!?

     

    Another prominent person, who has received many awards for GPS, didn’t understand how it worked. He thought it worked like LORAN. Yet I’ve heard him called the coinventor of GPS.

    I hate to say it but will say it anyway: Dude, find your zen.

    That’s good advice, but it’s more fun tilting at windmills.

    tell me, amigo mio, about it

    One advantage I have in tilting at windmills is that I’m an author.  Thus, Annie Jacobsen, author of The Pentagon’s Brain: An Uncensored History of DARPA, America’s Top-Secret Military Research Agency, appeared on Spycast and asserted that DARPA invented GPS.  She states this about 27:30 into the video.  The funny thing is that DARPA doesn’t claim that it invented GPS.  It had nothing to do with the creation of GPS in 1973 out of my Dad’s Timation system and the AF/Aerospace’s Project 621B.  Ten years later it worked on miniaturizing receivers.  I contacted the Spy Museum historian who does the Spycast interviews and seven months later appeared on his podcast.  That wouldn’t have happened if I hadn’t written the book.  I also contacted Jacobsen.  Her initial response was that we would have to agree to disagree.  I then sent her two DOD documents and two Aviation Week articles from 1973 about what became GPS.  DARPA was not mentioned anywhere in these critical documents because it did not participate in the invention of GPS.  She agreed to change the second edition.

     

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  26. Hugh Inactive
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    Moderator Note:

    On the contrary; after having been publicly called out and privately explained to that his behavior was out of line, Gary has not commented further on this post. All you are doing is continuing to be rude to Richard Easton and the other members actually engaging on the topic.

    TBA (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I don’t know about others, but when the title of an article or post have the term “fake news” in it, I don’t read the article or post. Just sayin’.

    Thanks for sharing.

    How can we be sure that Gary isn’t reading this thread?

     

    I think that trolls need to be confronted otherwise they will never change their behavior.  The moderators certainly haven’t had any success doing that.

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  27. Caryn Thatcher
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    Old Buckeye (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):
    Prior to setting out for a destination, I’ll read over paper maps, plant them in my head, and off we go!

    This is how I operate too. By looking at the map, I have a clear visual picture in my head and even if I don’t know all the finer points of the trip, I’ll know which directions I need to go, the major roads to take, what towns I’ll pass before I get to the destination, etc. I need that visual in my head to make sense of any other directions such as a turn-by-turn on Google maps so that I know which parts of those are basically N/A–like how to get from my house to the interstate.

    This is what I like about the Google Maps app–I can look at the big picture map and then expand to the street by street map and back and forth.  Navigating is such fun!  I’ll turn on the location finder for info on car crashes and other delays ahead, as it’s remarkably accurate at predicting length of delay and such (and, honestly, I love watching the little blue indicator move down the road–it’s also handy to show when we’ve missed a turn).  If there’s a problem ahead, I use the map to find alternatives.  It’s fun!  And I do tend to carry the map around in my head.  I’m actually better at knowing north/south/east/west than I am right and left.  I always hesitate on those.  They’re relative, you know.

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  28. DrewInWisconsin Member
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    Caryn (View Comment):
    I’m actually better at knowing north/south/east/west than I am right and left. I always hesitate on those. They’re relative, you know.

    Same here.

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    I have been told that the ‘danger close’ indirect fire missions are a bit less stressful now that those guys calling them in have GPS.  So thanks for that also.

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  30. Old Buckeye Inactive
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    Caryn (View Comment):
    I’ll turn on the location finder for info on car crashes and other delays ahead, as it’s remarkably accurate at predicting length of delay and such (and, honestly, I love watching the little blue indicator move down the road–it’s also handy to show when we’ve missed a turn). If there’s a problem ahead, I use the map to find alternatives. It’s fun! And I do tend to carry the map around in my head. I’m actually better at knowing north/south/east/west than I am right and left

    That does sound like fun, Caryn. I’ll have to try it. And same thing on NSEW. Also, if I’ve been somewhere before, I can usually find my way again because I remember landmarks and street signs. Got thrown for a loop when I visited the town where we had lived 25 years previous and couldn’t find any of the old landmarks, though. They’d bulldozed and rebuilt and even reconfigured streets. 

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