Quote of the Day: Farewell, TWS

 

In honor of the departed Weekly Standard, I wanted to share a favorite quote from one of their finest writers, Matt Labash. He wrote this during the 2008 Democratic Presidential Primary.

“As one who was never terribly enamored of Hillary Clinton’s personality to start with, I grudgingly admit to enjoying her recent near-tears transformation. Plenty of critics concede her rarely seen emotion was heartfelt, but also that it was due to the 20-hour-day rigors of the campaign trail, making her perhaps the only candidate ever to win the New Hampshire primary because she needed a nap. Still, it was refreshing to watch her punch through the icy crust of her own phoniness, so that the molten core of artificiality could gush forth.”

Every magazine of any persuasion should be in a bidding war for his prose.

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  1. Gary Robbins Member
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    I hope that someone starts “The New Weekly Standard” magazine.  

    I also hope that the “Daily Standard” continues at Ricochet.  How much does it cost to have the Daily Standard?  Is it something that members of Ricochet can contribute to?  I really like “The Three Martini Lunch,” but I love “The Daily Standard.”

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  2. Mendel Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Simply a case of the marketplace determining the worth of a platform.

    Actually no. Magazines like that often lose money, but find patrons. However, instead of allowing the Weekly Standard to find a buyer, the parent company decided to kill it, hoping to reap its mailing list. The Weekly Standard did not die, it was murdered.

    Gary, did you read any of the 10 or so comments after the one you quoted? We hashed this out pretty much to death.

    In any case, if DC Media did in fact liquidate TWS in order to transfer its subscriber list to the Examiner, that would be a perfectly normal marketplace maneuver. Big corporations kill off one of their branches – even profitable branches – and transfer those resources to another of their branches every single day without us calling it murder.

    Of course, if you believe John Podhoretz (a male drama queen if there ever was one), this had nothing to do with business motives and everything to do with personal spite between unnamed individuals on both sides.

    But even if that was the case: so what? If your salary depends on having a billionaire be willing to part with millions of his dollars every year to prop your organization up, then your number 1 priority is to keep that billionaire’s good graces. TWS obviously failed at that.

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  3. Brian Watt Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Roderic Fabian (View Comment):

    Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering orange whale; to the last I grapple with thee; from hell’s heart I stab at thee; for hate’s sake I spit my last breath at thee. Since victory cannot be mine let me go to pieces while still attacking thee, though tied to thee, thou damned orange whale! Thus, I give up the spear!

    The barbed prose was published and the stricken orange whale flew, dragging Kristol and all down with it.

    (With apologies)

    If I am not wrong, the whale dies in Moby Dick.

    No, you’re wrong. Melville never says Moby Dick dies at the end of the story. He just disappears into the depths with Ahab strapped to him and after he has destroyed the Pequod.

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  4. RufusRJones Member
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    It was a big mistake for them to not be non-profit. That’s what it comes down to.

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  5. RufusRJones Member
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    Mendel (View Comment):
    In any case, if DC Media did in fact liquidate TWS in order to transfer its subscriber list to the Examiner, that would be a perfectly normal marketplace maneuver.

    They will grab some writers, too. The editor hates Trump, and is pretty sympathetic to their views on government.

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  6. RufusRJones Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    I hope that someone starts “The New Weekly Standard” magazine.

    They could start a go fund me. Kristol is reportedly a multimillionaire. The guy that funds the Free Beacon hates Trump and he’s worth zillions.

    Making money off of creativity is really a bitch though.

    Rick Wilson.

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  7. Gary Robbins Member
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    Mendel (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Simply a case of the marketplace determining the worth of a platform.

    Actually no. Magazines like that often lose money, but find patrons. However, instead of allowing the Weekly Standard to find a buyer, the parent company decided to kill it, hoping to reap its mailing list. The Weekly Standard did not die, it was murdered.

    Gary, did you read any of the 10 or so comments after the one you quoted? We hashed this out pretty much to death.

    Thanks for asking.  I have a pretty linear brain.  A couple of years ago, I would read all the comments and then would comment on all of them.  I found it better to respond sequentially.  Historically that works best.  

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  8. Bob Thompson Member
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    Mendel (View Comment):

    Indeed, we all seem to be in violent agreement.

    Mendel (View Comment):
    Then again, I also think it’s worthwhile to constantly remind people that – in a similar vein – Facebook’s users are not its customers.

    We are again in violent agreement. We’ve had much recent to do about the actions of Facebook, Twitter, Google, and Apple management reserving their platforms for those with whom their politics agree. Dangerous, particularly when the media and the Department of Justice join in that approach. 

     

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  9. Bob Thompson Member
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    Mendel (View Comment):
    TWS obviously failed at that.

    And that was likely a function of their message failing.

    EDIT: Failing to be effective in the marketplace, not necessarily in disagreement with the benefactor.

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  10. Gary Robbins Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Mendel (View Comment):
    TWS obviously failed at that.

    And that was likely a function of their message failing.

    EDIT: Failing to be effective in the marketplace, not necessarily in disagreement with the benefactor.

    But the Washington Examiner refused to allow the Weekly Standard to be bought out.  Instead they killed it seeking to use its mailing list.  

    Heck, I would have been all for the creation of “The Weekly Standard, Inc.” with a stock offering of, say, $10 million.  Just as many people of Wisconsin own stock in the Green Bay Packers, I would have been thrilled to buy $1,000 worth of stock in “The Weekly Standard, Inc.”  I would have framed my stock certificate, and the personalized note from Bill Kristol and Steve Hayes.

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  11. John Hendrix Thatcher
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    Mendel (View Comment):
    John Podhoretz (a male drama queen if there ever was one)

    LOL!

    That’s a good one. That said, some time ago in another comment on Ricochet, I had characterized jpod and the others on the Commentary podcast as “some of the biggest old ladies in America”.   

    I think your wizbang is better than mine. 

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  12. RufusRJones Member
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    Gary, Philip Anschutz owned it lock, stock, and barrel. It’s his property. I suppose it would’ve been risky to turn it into a nonprofit, but that’s the way these things work.

    I’m not going to name which one, but there is a conservative anti-Trump magazine that pays their writers / managers mind boggling amounts of money. I’m pretty sure that one is a nonprofit.

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  13. RufusRJones Member
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    Hell, I suppose one of the factors was, if you turn it into a nonprofit, everyone knows what your salary is.

    #RulingClass 

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  14. Bob Thompson Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Mendel (View Comment):
    TWS obviously failed at that.

    And that was likely a function of their message failing.

    EDIT: Failing to be effective in the marketplace, not necessarily in disagreement with the benefactor.

    But the Washington Examiner refused to allow the Weekly Standard to be bought out. Instead they killed it seeking to use its mailing list.

    Heck, I would have been all for the creation of “The Weekly Standard, Inc.” with a stock offering of, say, $10 million. Just as many people of Wisconsin own stock in the Green Bay Packers, I would have been thrilled to buy $1,000 worth of stock in “The Weekly Standard, Inc.” I would have framed my stock certificate, and the personalized note from Bill Kristol and Steve Hayes.

    The point I am making is that the message delivered to the public by TWS was not effective. Moving that same message to another publisher, as seems to be your desire, makes little sense. After all, TWS was for many years effective until many readers began to see through the message, then it died.

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  15. Gary Robbins Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Gary, Philip Anschutz owned it lock, stock, and barrel. It’s his property. I suppose it would’ve been risky to turn it into a nonprofit, but that’s the way these things work.

    I’m not going to name which one, but there is a conservative anti-Trump magazine that pays their writers / managers mind boggling amounts of money. I’m pretty sure that one is a nonprofit.

    So why won’t he sell it?

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  16. Gary Robbins Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Mendel (View Comment):
    TWS obviously failed at that.

    And that was likely a function of their message failing.

    EDIT: Failing to be effective in the marketplace, not necessarily in disagreement with the benefactor.

    But the Washington Examiner refused to allow the Weekly Standard to be bought out. Instead they killed it seeking to use its mailing list.

    Heck, I would have been all for the creation of “The Weekly Standard, Inc.” with a stock offering of, say, $10 million. Just as many people of Wisconsin own stock in the Green Bay Packers, I would have been thrilled to buy $1,000 worth of stock in “The Weekly Standard, Inc.” I would have framed my stock certificate, and the personalized note from Bill Kristol and Steve Hayes.

    The point I am making is that the message delivered to the public by TWS was not effective. Moving that same message to another publisher, as seems to be your desire, makes little sense. After all, TWS was for many years effective until many readers began to see through the message, then it died.

    I would assert that TWS didn’t die, it was murdered for its mailing list.  Here is one subscriber who won’t agree to that.

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  17. Roderic Fabian Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    If I am not wrong, the whale dies in Moby Dick.

    Melville doesn’t say what happened to Moby Dick.  The whale already had several harpoons in it when first encountered, so it’s ability to survive being pierced with harpoons is already established.

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  18. RufusRJones Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Gary, Philip Anschutz owned it lock, stock, and barrel. It’s his property. I suppose it would’ve been risky to turn it into a nonprofit, but that’s the way these things work.

    I’m not going to name which one, but there is a conservative anti-Trump magazine that pays their writers / managers mind boggling amounts of money. I’m pretty sure that one is a nonprofit.

    So why won’t he sell it?

    Kristol was the one that needed the foresight here, to turn it into a non-profit so it would literally have “stakeholders” or whatever, but this is a gigantic pain because you have to beg for money or die. A sugar daddy is way easier. I remember Kristol used to say that he would talk to Murdoch once a  year and basically all he did was promise to lose less money. 

    Anschutz has all of the money and brains, so it’s likely canabalizing is his best move for his equity stake. 

    To be clear, I never fully understood this stuff until I read that article.

    It’s also really clear to me why nonprofits have rigid rules compared to businesses. 

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  19. Flicker Coolidge
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    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):

    I figured the magazine was pretty much done when they used the inside of their front cover for a pro-abortion ad by Catholics for a Free Choice.

    Is that even true?  Seriously?  Wow, I hope is was just a joke.

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  20. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    It is not too late for the Washinton Examiner to release the Weekly Standard, and its name so that it can be reborn. But if they don’t, the Washington Examiner is dead to me.

    Haha! To the pain!!

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  21. Gary Robbins Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Gary, Philip Anschutz owned it lock, stock, and barrel. It’s his property. I suppose it would’ve been risky to turn it into a nonprofit, but that’s the way these things work.

    I’m not going to name which one, but there is a conservative anti-Trump magazine that pays their writers / managers mind boggling amounts of money. I’m pretty sure that one is a nonprofit.

    So why won’t he sell it?

    Kristol was the one that needed the foresight here, to turn it into a non-profit so it would literally have “stakeholders” or whatever, but this is a gigantic pain because you have to beg for money or die. A sugar daddy is way easier. I remember Kristol used to say that he would talk to Murdoch once a year and basically all he did was promise to lose less money.

    Anschutz has all of the money and brains, so it’s likely canabalizing is his best move for his equity stake.

    To be clear, I never fully understood this stuff until I read that article.

    It’s also really clear to me why nonprofits have rigid rules compared to businesses.

    My suggestion is for The New Weekly Standard to be a for-profit company with stock being offered, but no realistic expectation of any profit, not unlike the stock owned in The Green Bay Packers.

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  22. Doug Kimball Thatcher
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    The Cloaked Gaijin (View Comment):

    I think John Podhoretz wants the Weekly Standard writers to join him at Commentary magazine.

    “I heard that Commentary and Dissent had merged and formed Dysentery.” — Woody Allen in Annie Hall, 1977

    Well, if Weekly Standard and Commentary merge, what would be the name of magazine be?

    Weak Tory?

    Stan Lee Men?

    Lee’s Stand and Comment?

    Stand Comment Enter?

    Weak Tan Dark Men Tory?

    Weakly Common

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  23. RufusRJones Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    My suggestion is for The New Weekly Standard to be a for-profit company with stock being offered, but no realistic expectation of any profit, not unlike the stock owned in The Green Bay Packers.

    Anschutz thinks he can do better by canabalizing it, instead of selling it. Someone with some power or money needs to step in right now or it’s a done deal.

    Was Kristol making bad decisions about the structure of it? I have no idea. 

     

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  24. Flicker Coolidge
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    Mendel (View Comment):
    Which shows that there are many people who can write nearly as well as paid pundits for a much, much lower fee – a fact that the Federalist leveraged to its advantage (and Ricochet’s detriment) for quite a while.

    Wait a minute.  You’re saying I have to pay to write here, comment here, and even read most of the articles (actually, I would say the best ones).  I think that’s a pretty good deal.

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  25. Doug Kimball Thatcher
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Roderic Fabian (View Comment):

    Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering orange whale; to the last I grapple with thee; from hell’s heart I stab at thee; for hate’s sake I spit my last breath at thee. Since victory cannot be mine let me go to pieces while still attacking thee, though tied to thee, thou damned orange whale! Thus, I give up the spear!

    The barbed prose was published and the stricken orange whale flew, dragging Kristol and all down with it.

    (With apologies)

    If I am not wrong, the whale dies in Moby Dick.

    Once again, you are wrong.  The whale destroys the Pequod with Ahab tangled in the cordage on its back.  Moby, you see, is immortal.  The Standard, not so much.

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  26. DonG Coolidge
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    It was a pretty good run for media entity that tied it fortunes to promoting endless wars in the Middle East.  I guess they sit back and enjoy the fruits of their labor… the millions of dead and the doubled national debt.  The are just two of their accomplishments.  Heck, if they are really impactful there might just be a coup in the USA! 

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  27. RufusRJones Member
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    DonG (View Comment):

    It was a pretty good run for media entity that tied it fortunes to promoting endless wars in the Middle East. I guess they sit back and enjoy the fruits of their labor… the millions of dead and the doubled national debt. The are just two of their accomplishments. Heck, if they are really impactful there might just be a coup in the USA!

    Seriously, what is wrong with this post. Who is conservative? Why can’t we finish a war? 

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  28. Basil Fawlty Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):

    I figured the magazine was pretty much done when they used the inside of their front cover for a pro-abortion ad by Catholics for a Free Choice.

    Is that even true? Seriously? Wow, I hope is was just a joke.

    Sadly, it’s true. But it gave me the chance to beat the rush, cancel my subscription, and still get a refund.

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  29. Bob Thompson Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    DonG (View Comment):

    It was a pretty good run for media entity that tied it fortunes to promoting endless wars in the Middle East. I guess they sit back and enjoy the fruits of their labor… the millions of dead and the doubled national debt. The are just two of their accomplishments. Heck, if they are really impactful there might just be a coup in the USA!

    Seriously, what is wrong with this post. Who is conservative? Why can’t we finish a war?

    I am really suspicious that the answer to your last question has a lot to do with cui bono.

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  30. RufusRJones Member
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    No one is conservative. Either get behind Trump or get behind the libertarians. 

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