Cherokee Nation Rejects, Rebuts Elizabeth Warren’s DNA “Evidence”

 

It is surprising that Elizabeth Warren, a former law professor, would stumble into the crossfire of tribal enrollment and racial identity politics. She announced that she took a DNA test, to profile her likely ancestry. Yet, Senator Warren should have known what the Cherokee Nation, with which she claimed some ancestry, would say.

Senator Warren had been ridiculed for weak claims of Cherokee heritage, and falsely claimed Native American status in seeking employment as a law professor.

“No, as I said, these are my family stories. I have lived in a family that has talked about Native Americans, talked about tribes since I had been a little girl,” she said. “I still have a picture on my mantel and it is a picture my mother had before that – a picture of my grandfather. And my Aunt Bea has walked by that picture at least a 1,000 times remarked that he – her father, my Papaw — had high cheek bones like all of the Indians do. Because that is how she saw it and your mother got those same great cheek bones and I didn’t. She that thought was the bad deal she had gotten in life.”

“Being Native American has been part of my story, I guess, since the day I was born,” Warren continued.

According to the Boston Globe, Warren identified as a minority in the Association of American Law Schools (AALS) deskbook for between 1985-1996. The candidate has seemingly struggled to articulate her reasons for identifying as a minority, but has strongly rejected the notion that she benefited from opportunities she might not have otherwise received had she not identified as a Native American.

Now, likely in preparation for a presidential campaign, Senator Warren has answered President Trump’s challenge to prove her claim. She released a report claiming Warren likely had a Native American ancestor between six and ten generations ago.

While the vast majority of the individual’s ancestry is European, the results strongly support the existence of an unadmixed Native American ancestor in the individual’s pedigree, likely in the range of 6- 10 generations ago.

Warren characterized this report as strong evidence and called on President Trump to pay up on a $1 million charity bet. However, the DNA report shows the imprecision of the science, and may actually give more ammunition to critics.

The inherent imprecision of the six-page DNA analysis could provide fodder for Warren’s critics. If O.C. Sarah Smith were fully Native American, that would make Warren up to 1/32nd native. But the generational range based on the ancestor that the report identified suggests she’s between 1/64th and 1/1,024th Native American. The report notes there could be missed ancestors.

With the advent of tribal casinos and other lucrative enterprises, tribal membership became a thing of value. Failing to carefully vet members would cause tribes to spread payments from these enterprises too thinly. Likewise, access to preferential education or employment programs would be diluted. So, when Elizabeth Warren rolled out the DNA test report and claimed it was a vindication of her past claims, that was a threat to actual tribes.

The Cherokee Nation took the step of releasing a stinging rebuke to the press and posted it to their official website.

TAHLEQUAH, Okla. — Cherokee Nation Secretary of State Chuck Hoskin Jr. issued the following statement Monday in response to Senator Elizabeth Warren’s DNA test claiming Native Heritage:

“A DNA test is useless to determine tribal citizenship. Current DNA tests do not even distinguish whether a person’s ancestors were indigenous to North or South America,” Cherokee Nation Secretary of State Chuck Hoskin Jr. said. “Sovereign tribal nations set their own legal requirements for citizenship, and while DNA tests can be used to determine lineage, such as paternity to an individual, it is not evidence for tribal affiliation. Using a DNA test to lay claim to any connection to the Cherokee Nation or any tribal nation, even vaguely, is inappropriate and wrong. It makes a mockery out of DNA tests and its legitimate uses while also dishonoring legitimate tribal governments and their citizens, whose ancestors are well documented and whose heritage is proven. Senator Warren is undermining tribal interests with her continued claims of tribal heritage.”

Note that the Cherokee Nation both rejects DNA as a basis of tribal ancestry claims, and also points out that the very DNA evidence, upon which Senator Warren relies, does not distinguish between indigenous peoples of North or South America. Yet, we commonly characterize people with the former ancestry as “Native American,” and those with the latter ancestry as “Latina” or “Hispanic.” The Census Bureau uses the terms “American Indian or Native Alaskan” as a restricted racial category:

American Indian or Alaska Native – A person having origins in any of the original peoples of North and South America (including Central America) and who maintains tribal affiliation or community attachment.

Here is how the Bureau of Indian Affairs answers the question “who is an American Indian or Native Alaskan?

As a general rule, an American Indian or Alaska Native person is someone who has blood degree from and is recognized as such by a federally recognized tribe or village (as an enrolled tribal member) and/or the United States. Of course, blood quantum (the degree of American Indian or Alaska Native blood from a federally recognized tribe or village that a person possesses) is not the only means by which a person is considered to be an American Indian or Alaska Native. Other factors, such as a person’s knowledge of his or her tribe’s culture, history, language, religion, familial kinships, and how strongly a person identifies himself or herself as American Indian or Alaska Native, are also important. In fact, there is no single federal or tribal criterion or standard that establishes a person’s identity as American Indian or Alaska Native.

There are major differences, however, when the term “American Indian” is used in an ethnological sense versus its use in a political/legal sense. The rights, protections, and services provided by the United States to individual American Indians and Alaska Natives flow not from a person’s identity as such in an ethnological sense, but because he or she is a member of a federally recognized tribe. That is, a tribe that has a government-to-government relationship and a special trust relationship with the United States. These special trust and government-to-government relationships entail certain legally enforceable obligations and responsibilities on the part of the United States to persons who are enrolled members of such tribes. Eligibility requirements for federal services will differ from program to program. Likewise, the eligibility criteria for enrollment (or membership) in a tribe will differ from tribe to tribe.

President Trump will just redirect his attack to incorporate the new information, including the Cherokee Nation’s response. Senator Warren had no legitimate basis for publicly asserting a racial minority identity and still does not. As a lawyer and law professor, she knew better. As a Senator, who would be President, she’s flailing about, caught by her past ploy.

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  1. dnewlander Inactive
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):
    But a plagiarized recipe for a seafood dish when you claim to from a plains tribe?

    Except the Cherokee were not from the plains. They were moved there in 1837. Before that they were in the Carolinas and Tennessee.

    Yeah, what jerk Republican did that, I wonder?

    </sarc>

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  2. Mike "Lash" LaRoche Inactive
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    As for the music list, this one will really make the lefties’ heads explode:

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  3. Mike "Lash" LaRoche Inactive
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    Here’s another version. Charley Pride ruled!

    https://youtu.be/NCZ4mtnqNjw

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  4. dnewlander Inactive
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    Mike &quot;Lash&quot; LaRoche (View Comment):

    As for the music list, this one will really make the lefties’ heads explode:

    Long-time Albuquerque resident. As one myself, I approve this comment.

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  5. TBA Coolidge
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    All that, but she can still pose as a mistreated minority and solidify some votes thereby. 

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  6. The Reticulator Member
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    TBA (View Comment):

    All that, but she can still pose as a mistreated minority and solidify some votes thereby.

    Yes this is the problem.  She identified as someone she is not in order to gain an advantage that she didn’t need, and possibly to deprive a more deserving person of the slot she took.  It makes a mockery of programs intended to help minorities.

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  7. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

    The misappropriation of minority racial identity, like the misappropriation of sexual violence victim status, is corrosive to true claims.

    Good point. All these jokes are great but this celebration of identity politics and victim status, not to mention the lying, is damaging to the better Angels of our nature.

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  8. Arahant Member
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    Saint Augustine (View Comment):
    Wait, though. Would seafood be part of the diet of the Cherokee in the Carolinas? Should I cut back on that particular criticism?

    Seems a distinct possibility.

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  9. Jon1979 Inactive
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    Percival (View Comment):

    The Cherokee tribal rules sensibly want the person applying for membership to be able to document their descent from actual members. The Secretary of State Chuck Hoskins, Jr. makes that clear. You’re not getting in just because Paw Paw had high cheekbones.

    The fun part here is Liz and her handlers no doubt thought she’d be taking a victory lap for the rest of the week across various media platforms, touting her DNA results and demanding that Trump pay up on the $1 million bet. The fact that before the evening cable shows had even begun Warren’s claim was rebuked   by the Cherokee Nation officials means the only way she can preen on-air now is for the media people interviewing her to essentially tell the Cherokee officials to go peddle their papers elsewhere, and that it will be the cable news show hosts on CNN and news outlets like The Boston Globe or the Washington Post that will decide whether or not Liz Warren is  a true Cherokee, and not a bunch of Cherokees.

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  10. dnewlander Inactive
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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

    The misappropriation of minority racial identity, like the misappropriation of sexual violence victim status, is corrosive to true claims.

    Good point. All these jokes are great but this celebration of identity politics and victim status, not to mention the lying, is damaging to the better Angels of our nature.

    True, but ridicule is a pretty good way of rebutting this nonsense, as Trump has shown. As is righteous infinitude, a la Kavanaugh.

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  11. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Saint Augustine (View Comment):
    I think it’s high time I was recognized as Ricochet’s Native American member with all the privileges pertaining thereunto.

    I think you already have all the privileges pertaining thereto.

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  12. dnewlander Inactive
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):
    I think it’s high time I was recognized as Ricochet’s Native American member with all the privileges pertaining thereunto.

    I think you already have all the privileges pertaining thereto.

    You have the right to say what you want, within the terms loosely laid out in the CoC, except in the PIT, where you can say more, except if someone complains.

    You have the right for anyone, including advertisers, to rebut you.

    That’s about it, right?

    Unless you’re a contributor, of course.

    <I’m just rabblerousing/>

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  13. Seawriter Contributor
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Good point. All these jokes are great but this celebration of identity politics and victim status, not to mention the lying, is damaging to the better Angels of our nature.

    The Cherokee (as far as I know) were never a coastal people. They were inland. Other tribes inhabited the coasts.

    At a subsistence level (and everyone was at a subsistence before the sixteenth century) you have to specialize somewhat to maximize food production. Extracting food from the sea and coasts required a different skill set than inland farming or inland hunting. 

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  14. Saint Augustine Member
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    Seawriter (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Good point. All these jokes are great but this celebration of identity politics and victim status, not to mention the lying, is damaging to the better Angels of our nature.

    The Cherokee (as far as I know) were never a coastal people. They were inland. Other tribes inhabited the coasts.

    At a subsistence level (and everyone was at a subsistence before the sixteenth century) you have to specialize somewhat to maximize food production. Extracting food from the sea and coasts required a different skill set than inland farming or inland hunting.

    But the Cherokee would make an exception to develop a crab bisque, wouldn’t they?

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  15. Kozak Member
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    As I understand it Trump owes Warren a million dollars.

    He could 

    A. pay it to whatever “tribe” Warren is a member of.  Good luck with that.

    or

    B,  pay  her 1/1024 th of 1 million dollars….

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  16. Kozak Member
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    Mike &quot;Lash&quot; LaRoche (View Comment):

    PHCheese (View Comment):

    Mike &quot;Lash&quot; LaRoche (View Comment):

    Great post. Elizabeth Warren is in heap big trouble.

    How!

    How now, pow wow chow?

    Does any one else find the title of that book somewhat cringe worthy?

    I mean “Pow Wow Chow”….

    The Amazon Reviews are thigh slappers….

     

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  17. Kozak Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Yes this is the problem. She identified as someone she is not in order to gain an advantage that she didn’t need, and possibly to deprive a more deserving person of the slot she took. It makes a mockery of programs intended to help minorities.

    That’s a plus in my book. It exposes the whole nonsense of our racial spoils system.

    Why should a black kid with a doctor and engineer as parents get a boost and a free ride  while a poor white kid with more smarts and better grades and scores from a trailer park get passed over?

    It’s time we judged people by their merit and not their genes. Period.

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  18. WI Con Member
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    I once got “teary” looking at some litter-you think I might be related to that Chief from the 70’s?

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  19. Seawriter Contributor
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    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    That’s a plus in my book. It exposes the whole nonsense of our racial spoils system.

    Why should a black kid with a doctor and engineer as parents get a boost and a free ride while a poor white kid with more smarts and better grades and scores from a trailer park get passed over?

    It’s time we judged people by their merit and not their genes. Period.

    They must have. I mean otherwise Warren lied.

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  20. Arahant Member
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    WI Con (View Comment):

    I once got “teary” looking at some litter-you think I might be related to that Chief from the 70’s?

    I don’t know, are you Siciliano?

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  21. Seawriter Contributor
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    WI Con (View Comment):

    I once got “teary” looking at some litter-you think I might be related to that Chief from the 70’s?

    Iron-Eyes Cody was Italian. I guess you can claim to be Italian, but it gets you little in the grievance sweepstakes.

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  22. Percival Thatcher
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    WI Con (View Comment):

    I once got “teary” looking at some litter-you think I might be related to that Chief from the 70’s?

    I don’t know, are you Siciliano?

    Seawriter (View Comment):

    WI Con (View Comment):

    I once got “teary” looking at some litter-you think I might be related to that Chief from the 70’s?

    Iron-Eyes Cody was Italian. I guess you can claim to be Italian, but it gets you little in the grievance sweepstakes.

    Oh, man … you both beat me.

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  23. WI Con Member
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    Seawriter (View Comment):

    WI Con (View Comment):

    I once got “teary” looking at some litter-you think I might be related to that Chief from the 70’s?

    Iron-Eyes Cody was Italian. I guess you can claim to be Italian, but it gets you little in the grievance sweepstakes.

    OK , I “identify” as Native American. Casino and cigarettes at my house!

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  24. Seawriter Contributor
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    WI Con (View Comment):

    Seawriter (View Comment):

    WI Con (View Comment):

    I once got “teary” looking at some litter-you think I might be related to that Chief from the 70’s?

    Iron-Eyes Cody was Italian. I guess you can claim to be Italian, but it gets you little in the grievance sweepstakes.

    OK , I “identify” as Native American. Casino and cigarettes at my house!

    We can call you WiCon Soaring Dolezal.

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  25. Buckpasser Member
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    You know what the Democrats have always said:  “just one drop”.

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  26. Misthiocracy, Joke Pending Member
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    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):

    I do hope he still calls her Pocohantas. It’s fun.

    It’s an insult to the historical Pocahontas.  She doesn’t deserve to have her good name dragged through the mud by be being attached to a miscreant like Warren.

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  27. Locke On Member
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    dnewlander (View Comment):

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):
    I think it’s high time I was recognized as Ricochet’s Native American member with all the privileges pertaining thereunto.

    I think you already have all the privileges pertaining thereto.

    You have the right to say what you want, within the terms loosely laid out in the CoC, except in the PIT, where you can say more, except if someone complains.

    You have the right for anyone, including advertisers, to rebut you.

    That’s about it, right?

    Unless you’re a contributor, of course.

    <I’m just rabblerousing/>

    Since we have a volunteer, we need some duties and privileges attached thereto.  I suggest:

    – Edit Fred Cole’s newsletter

    – Deal with threads where the mods fear to tread

    – Use of tomahawks is authorized, but only in a sensitive and historically correct manner

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  28. The Reticulator Member
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Yes this is the problem. She identified as someone she is not in order to gain an advantage that she didn’t need, and possibly to deprive a more deserving person of the slot she took. It makes a mockery of programs intended to help minorities.

    That’s a plus in my book. It exposes the whole nonsense of our racial spoils system.

    It’s almost as if the left doesn’t care if their social programs accomplish their stated goals or not.  

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  29. Saint Augustine Member
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    Locke On (View Comment):

    dnewlander (View Comment):

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):
    I think it’s high time I was recognized as Ricochet’s Native American member with all the privileges pertaining thereunto.

    I think you already have all the privileges pertaining thereto.

    You have the right to say what you want, within the terms loosely laid out in the CoC, except in the PIT, where you can say more, except if someone complains.

    You have the right for anyone, including advertisers, to rebut you.

    That’s about it, right?

    Unless you’re a contributor, of course.

    <I’m just rabblerousing/>

    Since we have a volunteer, we need some duties and privileges attached thereto. I suggest:

    – Edit Fred Cole’s newsletter

    – Deal with threads where the mods fear to tread

    – Use of tomahawks is authorized, but only in a sensitive and historically correct manner

    Who said anything about duties?  I only mentioned the privileges.

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  30. Percival Thatcher
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    Locke On (View Comment):

    dnewlander (View Comment):

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):
    I think it’s high time I was recognized as Ricochet’s Native American member with all the privileges pertaining thereunto.

    I think you already have all the privileges pertaining thereto.

    You have the right to say what you want, within the terms loosely laid out in the CoC, except in the PIT, where you can say more, except if someone complains.

    You have the right for anyone, including advertisers, to rebut you.

    That’s about it, right?

    Unless you’re a contributor, of course.

    <I’m just rabblerousing/>

    Since we have a volunteer, we need some duties and privileges attached thereto. I suggest:

    – Edit Fred Cole’s newsletter

    – Deal with threads where the mods fear to tread

    – Use of tomahawks is authorized, but only in a sensitive and historically correct manner

    Why you gonna make the Indian edit Fred, huh? Whyzat?

    Tell ’em you won’t do it, Augie!

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