Show Me the Seas of Plastic!

 

All of this kerfuffle over plastic straws, pollution of plastics, etc… hides a fundamental problem: the oceans do not have a problem with plastic! There are no massive floating islands of plastic bottles and straws or anything else. The ocean breaks plastic down, bacteria live on the stuff, and it all goes back into the food chain, with no lasting impacts at all. Arguably, as plastics sustain other life forms, putting plastic into the ocean may well enhance aquatic life. And it all happens very quickly — days and weeks, not millennia.

Here’s my challenge: Are there any satellite or aerial photos showing the seas choked with human-produced garbage? (There are some staged photos.) Or has the “Party of Science” once again created a crisis from whole cloth? And if so, we should be making this the core argument: Just as CO2 is plant food, plastics may be sea food.

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  1. The Reticulator Member
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    Mark Camp (View Comment):

    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):
    That cute little tank of phosgene in the fume hood, the mild terror when the smell of moldy hay occasionally wafted through the lab when it was in use…

    I will try to remember that, about what to do if I smell moldy hay….

    Moldy hay makes good mulch in the vegetable garden. I don’t have any, but I do have a lot of lawn clippings for that purpose, which are perhaps a better source of nitrogen anyway, depending on just how the hay got moldy.   

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  2. Simon Templar Member
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    Phil Turmel (View Comment):

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    Phil Turmel (View Comment):

    CB Toder aka Mama Toad (View Comment):

    Sorry!

    Don’t be sorry! I bet there are lurkers who needed that graphic but are ashamed to admit it. (-:

    who u b callen’ a lurker beeeatch!?

    Outing yourself as geometry-challenged, huh?

    I have forgotten more about geometry and math than you’ll ever will!

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  3. Randy Webster Inactive
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    CB Toder aka Mama Toad (View Comment):

    Sorry!

    There’s nothing to be sorry about.

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  4. Simon Templar Member
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    Phil Turmel (View Comment):

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    Phil Turmel (View Comment):

    CB Toder aka Mama Toad (View Comment):

    Sorry!

    Don’t be sorry! I bet there are lurkers who needed that graphic but are ashamed to admit it. (-:

    who u b callen’ a lurker beeeatch!?

    Outing yourself as geometry-challenged, huh?

    Wait a doggone minute!  Doesn’t pool involve both beer, geometry and physics?

    Mr. Turmel, I herebye challenge you to a best of five games of 8-ball at the next Rico MeetUp.  I’d even be willing to place a wager or two on the outcome if gambling is legal in that State (of mind).

    …or darts if pool ain’t your thing.

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  5. Phil Turmel Inactive
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    Simon Templar (View Comment):

    Phil Turmel (View Comment):

    Simon Templar (View Comment):

    Phil Turmel (View Comment):

    CB Toder aka Mama Toad (View Comment):

    Sorry!

    Don’t be sorry! I bet there are lurkers who needed that graphic but are ashamed to admit it. (-:

    who u b callen’ a lurker beeeatch!?

    Outing yourself as geometry-challenged, huh?

    Wait a doggone minute! Doesn’t pool involve both beer, geometry and physics?

    Yep, both.

    Mr. Turmel, I herebye challenge you to a best of five games of 8-ball at the next Rico MeetUp. I’d even be willing to place a wager or two on the outcome if gambling is legal in that State (of mind).

    We try to have mini-meetups in Atlanta every month.  I’m not doing well on attendance lately, but this fall might have some good opportunities.

    …or darts if pool ain’t your thing.

    No, I’ve been known to hurt myself with sharp pointy things.

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  6. Mark Camp Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

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    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):
    That cute little tank of phosgene in the fume hood, the mild terror when the smell of moldy hay occasionally wafted through the lab when it was in use…

    I will try to remember that, about what to do if I smell moldy hay….

    Moldy hay makes good mulch in the vegetable garden. I don’t have any, but I do have a lot of lawn clippings for that purpose, which are perhaps a better source of nitrogen anyway, depending on just how the hay got moldy.

    I believe it.  Until I learned this new bit from OtLC, about the Bosch stuffing moldy hay into artillery shells and firing at our lads when the wind was drifting toward our trenches, I myself had had a good impression of moldy hay.

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  7. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    Mark Camp (View Comment):

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    Mark Camp (View Comment):

    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):
    That cute little tank of phosgene in the fume hood, the mild terror when the smell of moldy hay occasionally wafted through the lab when it was in use…

    I will try to remember that, about what to do if I smell moldy hay….

    Moldy hay makes good mulch in the vegetable garden. I don’t have any, but I do have a lot of lawn clippings for that purpose, which are perhaps a better source of nitrogen anyway, depending on just how the hay got moldy.

    I believe it. Until I learned this new bit from OtLC, about the Bosch stuffing moldy hay into artillery shells and firing at our lads when the wind was drifting toward our trenches, I myself had had a good impression of moldy hay.

    My error. It was over 40 years ago. Phosgene smells like fresh cut grass or hay.

    Update: Interesting. Wikipedia’s Phosgene article says “fresh” but its Chemical Weapons in World War I article says “moldy.” Since I generally do better with my first answer on multiple choice tests, I’ll go with moldy. I’m not going to verify it empirically.

    It’s nasty stuff. Caused most of the deaths from chemical weapons in WWI; it’s useful in chemistry because it’s really reactive and activates other chemicals. The same sorts of processes in the body are not good.

    The deficiencies of chlorine were overcome with the introduction of phosgene, which was prepared by a group of French chemists led by Victor Grignard and first used by France in 1915.  Colourless and having an odour likened to “mouldy hay,” phosgene was difficult to detect, making it a more effective weapon. Phosgene was sometimes used on its own, but was more often used mixed with an equal volume of chlorine, with the chlorine helping to spread the denser phosgene. The Allies called this combination White Star after the marking painted on shells containing the mixture.

    Phosgene was a potent killing agent, deadlier than chlorine. It had a potential drawback in that some of the symptoms of exposure took 24 hours or more to manifest. This meant that the victims were initially still capable of putting up a fight; this could also mean that apparently fit troops would be incapacitated by the effects of the gas on the following day.

    If black humor involving science is your cup of caffeine, theobromine, theophylline, theanine, and various polyphenols, you may find Derek Lowe’s blog In the Pipeline  to your taste, especially Things I Won’t Work With and Things I’m Glad I Don’t Do.

     

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  8. The Reticulator Member
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    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):

    Mark Camp (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Mark Camp (View Comment):

    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):
    That cute little tank of phosgene in the fume hood, the mild terror when the smell of moldy hay occasionally wafted through the lab when it was in use…

    I will try to remember that, about what to do if I smell moldy hay….

    Moldy hay makes good mulch in the vegetable garden. I don’t have any, but I do have a lot of lawn clippings for that purpose, which are perhaps a better source of nitrogen anyway, depending on just how the hay got moldy.

    I believe it. Until I learned this new bit from OtLC, about the Bosch stuffing moldy hay into artillery shells and firing at our lads when the wind was drifting toward our trenches, I myself had had a good impression of moldy hay.

    My error. It was over 40 years ago. Phosgene smells like fresh cut grass or hay.

    That could be dangerous and confusing, then. Because fresh cut grass or hay has a very pleasant smell. Even better is fresh cut clover. Sweet!   

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    Simon Templar (View Comment):
    Doesn’t pool involve both beer, geometry and physics?

    I’ll bite.  This is on purpose, right?

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  10. Phil Turmel Inactive
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Simon Templar (View Comment):
    Doesn’t pool involve both beer, geometry and physics?

    I’ll bite. This is on purpose, right?

    Oxford comma joke.

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    Phil Turmel (View Comment):
    We try to have mini-meetups in Atlanta every month.

    Am hoping to be in your neck of the woods in a few months.  

    Will work (kill snakes, rats, commies, and such) for room & board.

    How much did you want to lose, specifically concerning our beer & geometry challenge?

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  12. Nanda Pajama-Tantrum Member
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    Simon Templar (View Comment):

    Phil Turmel (View Comment):
    We try to have mini-meetups in Atlanta every month.

    Am hoping to be in your neck of the woods in a few months.

    Will work (kill snakes, rats, commies, and such) for room & board.

    How much did you want to lose, specifically concerning our beer & geometry challenge?

    Oh, good…Thinking about what a wonderful OP this might make, please and thank you, gentlemen?

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  13. Simon Templar Member
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    Nanda Pajama-Tantrum (View Comment):

    Simon Templar (View Comment):

    Phil Turmel (View Comment):
    We try to have mini-meetups in Atlanta every month.

    Am hoping to be in your neck of the woods in a few months.

    Will work (kill snakes, rats, commies, and such) for room & board.

    How much did you want to lose, specifically concerning our beer & geometry challenge?

    Oh, good…Thinking about what a wonderful OP this might make, please and thank you, gentlemen?

    Can we talk about my honorarium?

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  14. Nanda Pajama-Tantrum Member
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    Simon Templar (View Comment):

    Nanda Pajama-Tantrum (View Comment):

    Simon Templar (View Comment):

    Phil Turmel (View Comment):
    We try to have mini-meetups in Atlanta every month.

    Am hoping to be in your neck of the woods in a few months.

    Will work (kill snakes, rats, commies, and such) for room & board.

    How much did you want to lose, specifically concerning our beer & geometry challenge?

    Oh, good…Thinking about what a wonderful OP this might make, please and thank you, gentlemen?

    Can we talk about my honorarium?

    But, of course…Name it. :-)

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  15. Simon Templar Member
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    Nanda Pajama-Tantrum (View Comment):

    Simon Templar (View Comment):

    Nanda Pajama-Tantrum (View Comment):

    Simon Templar (View Comment):

    Phil Turmel (View Comment):
    We try to have mini-meetups in Atlanta every month.

    Am hoping to be in your neck of the woods in a few months.

    Will work (kill snakes, rats, commies, and such) for room & board.

    How much did you want to lose, specifically concerning our beer & geometry challenge?

    Oh, good…Thinking about what a wonderful OP this might make, please and thank you, gentlemen?

    Can we talk about my honorarium?

    But, of course…Name it. :-)

    Don’t want to hijack (another) thread.  Sorry for any damage already done.

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  16. Nanda Pajama-Tantrum Member
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    Simon Templar (View Comment):

    Nanda Pajama-Tantrum (View Comment):

    Simon Templar (View Comment):

    Nanda Pajama-Tantrum (View Comment):

    Simon Templar (View Comment):

    Phil Turmel (View Comment):
    We try to have mini-meetups in Atlanta every month.

    Am hoping to be in your neck of the woods in a few months.

    Will work (kill snakes, rats, commies, and such) for room & board.

    How much did you want to lose, specifically concerning our beer & geometry challenge?

    Oh, good…Thinking about what a wonderful OP this might make, please and thank you, gentlemen?

    Can we talk about my honorarium?

    But, of course…Name it. :-)

    Don’t want to hijack (another) thread. Sorry for any damage already done.

    Roger that, sir…Sorry, too. Peace out.

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  17. Phil Turmel Inactive
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    Simon Templar (View Comment):

    Phil Turmel (View Comment):
    We try to have mini-meetups in Atlanta every month.

    Am hoping to be in your neck of the woods in a few months.

    Will work (kill snakes, rats, commies, and such) for room & board.

    How much did you want to lose, specifically concerning our beer & geometry challenge?

    Considering my lack of practice, just a token.  Say, the beer consumed during the contest.

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  18. Simon Templar Member
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    Phil Turmel (View Comment):

    Simon Templar (View Comment):

    Phil Turmel (View Comment):
    We try to have mini-meetups in Atlanta every month.

    Am hoping to be in your neck of the woods in a few months.

    Will work (kill snakes, rats, commies, and such) for room & board.

    How much did you want to lose, specifically concerning our beer & geometry challenge?

    Considering my lack of practice, just a token. Say, the beer consumed during the contest.

    Fair warning:  That could be more than “just a token.”  just sayen’

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  19. Phil Turmel Inactive
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    Simon Templar (View Comment):

    Phil Turmel (View Comment):

    Simon Templar (View Comment):

    Phil Turmel (View Comment):
    We try to have mini-meetups in Atlanta every month.

    Am hoping to be in your neck of the woods in a few months.

    Will work (kill snakes, rats, commies, and such) for room & board.

    How much did you want to lose, specifically concerning our beer & geometry challenge?

    Considering my lack of practice, just a token. Say, the beer consumed during the contest.

    Fair warning: That could be more than “just a token.” just sayen’

    Understood.  But that might make it possible for me to win. (-:

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