Real Communism

 

Tsar Nicholas II and his family.

Yesterday was the 100th anniversary of the massacre of the Tsar and his family. A sad day, but as Lenin once said: you can’t make an omelette without shooting terrified little girls, then stabbing them repeatedly before shooting them again in the head, to make sure. For the sake of The People. 

We’re always told that the Soviet Union wasn’t really Communism, that it was corrupted by Stalin. Communism is a pure thing, idealistic, with only the best interests of everyone at heart. Well, the murder of the Royal Family seems to have occurred before the “corruption” set in, and I doubt you’d find Communists more pure of heart than the Ural Regional Soviet of the Workers’ and Peasants’ Government. 

But we can’t disparage Communism, lest the wonderful idea of the enlightened collective– gently directed, at first, until the wisdom of the people achieves its own consciousness — cease to be a shining goal. So here’s quartz.com‘s description of the event:

Russia’s last tsar, his wife, and their five children were murdered amid the tumult of the Bolshevik revolution 100 years ago today (July 17).

Amid the tumult. 

One of those things that just … happened in the chaos of the times. When you have a lot of tumult, well, stuff happens. Somehow.

It would be inconvenient to note that Communism is born in killing, thrives in killing, exceeds at killing, and depends on killing. But that wasn’t real Communism! Really? In 1919, newborn and pure, not even that was Communism? 

By all means, make the argument: tell me that a system of human and economic relations cooked up by some hairy unemployed guy with goat-strength BO scribbling in the public library got it right, and everyone who saw in his words the means to power got it wrong. 

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  1. James Lileks Contributor
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):
    But on the 100th anniversary of the Romanov’s death, I’m not going to fault Mr. Lileks for having brought it up as he did.

    Thanks! My point was mostly about the “amid the tumult” phrasing, as a way of demonstrating the hesitance some have when they confront what the Communists did.

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  2. Brian Wolf Inactive
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    Skyler (View Comment):
    And yet they ended up with more than seven decades of murder and even worse oppression. I don’t see how it could have been worse.

    Having nine decades of murder and even worse oppression.  There is a kind of nobility in trying but failing to do the right thing.  Not even trying is the worse crime.

    Skyler (View Comment):
    Did he deserve to die? Yes.

    While he was in power could his murder have been justified, sure.  After he stepped down and brought in a transitional Government, which he did not seek to undermine, there was no justification for his death.  It was straight up murder a criminal and evil act.

    Skyler (View Comment):
    His wife? Not as clear, but probably.

    Crystal clear no.

    Skyler (View Comment):
    But he is at least partially culpable for their deaths. 

    Not culpable at all.  When murderers come into your house and over come your defense and murder your children it is not your fault.  Were there decisions somewhere along the decision tree that you could have made that would have prevented the murder, perhaps, but the only people responsible for the murder is the one that does it.  I am sure that Nicholas would have liked to do somethings differently when they came to murder him and his family but he did not force them to do it, nor do we have reason to shift the blame for his own murder to him.

     

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  3. Brian Wolf Inactive
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    Arizona Patriot (View Comment):

    ColoradoSteve (View Comment):

    I have a pet peeve; I hate when conservatives use the term communists to describe the ruling parties of the Soviet Union and the Peoples Republic of China. Many times I have read or heard advocates of socialism say that the governing ideology of those countries and their allies was not socialism, but communism and, therefore, true socialism has not been tried yet. Nonsense; the official name of the country in question was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

    I remember skimming a book about Mao’s Great Leap Forward program that resulted in the death by starvation of millions and the impoverishment of many more; the book was written by someone who lived through it. The author quotes from Mao’s writing on those events. Mao referred to those who opposed the his latest program/movement as being “enemies of socialism”. After the disastrous consequences became evident, as a way of rationalizing, Mao wrote about “socialist adventurers” who had taken things further than he had wanted them to. Nowhere in the quoted writing was there the slightest hint of contrition for having caused the deaths of millions of his countrymen, nor were there any thoughts expressed that perhaps substituting the dictates of central government leadership for the free decisions of of hundreds of millions of market participants might not be the best way to foster economic growth.

    The point is that broadly speaking, there are capitalists, who believe that most economic decisions should rest with individuals and groups of individuals. In general, modern capitalists do believe that governments should regulate where the market does not provide proper remedies; environmental and anti fraud regulations for example. Socialists believe that without guidance by government officials of most economic activity, great inequality will result and the rich will exploit and steal from the ever increasing number of poor. Soviet type socialists believe in virtually no private ownership, other socialists (fascists) believe in some private ownership with the government managing those companies by issuing orders to the “owners”.

    We enable the socialist argument by not referring to people like Stalin, Mao, and Castro as socialists.

     

    I think that there is a technical reason to differentiate communism and socialism. The Nazis were also socialists — national socialists. Communism is international socialism. There are both pathological, but there is a difference.

    Communism under Stalin was nationalists the Internationalist character of it was a front designed to aid Russian interests alone.  Stalin’s Russia was  more complete form of National Socialism at home if what you mean by Socialism is that the government is in full control of the economy.  Fascists tended to preserve some capitalism and have vast but still somewhat curtailed social control, but only compared to Stalin’s Russia.

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  4. JosePluma Coolidge
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    Skyler (View Comment):

    JosePluma (View Comment):

    But, as someone said, “one death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic.”

    That “someone” was Josef Stalin.

    Yea, that was kinda the point.

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  5. JosePluma Coolidge
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    Skyler (View Comment):
    The death of the Tsar’s children is one of the worst arguments I’ve ever seen against the evils of communism.

    As they say about the dead lawyers, “Well, it’s a good start.”

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  6. TBA Coolidge
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    James Lileks: In 1919, newborn and pure, not even that was Communism?

    No, of course not, because humans were involved and communism only works with angels.

    Though it is interesting to note that God doesn’t seem to be a collectivist. 

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  7. TBA Coolidge
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    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    In 1977 the house located near Yekaterinburg that served as a prison for the Romanovs was ordered destroyed by a little known regional party chief, Boris Yeltsin. The bodies were found in 1979, and promptly reburied, and the discovery was not made public. Their bodies were publicly exhumed in 1991.

    Huh. He actually did know where the bodies were buried. 

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  8. The Reticulator Member
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    TBA (View Comment):

    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    In 1977 the house located near Yekaterinburg that served as a prison for the Romanovs was ordered destroyed by a little known regional party chief, Boris Yeltsin. The bodies were found in 1979, and promptly reburied, and the discovery was not made public. Their bodies were publicly exhumed in 1991.

    Huh. He actually did know where the bodies were buried.

    I’m not sure which “he” you mean, but according to Robert K. Massie’s book, The Romanovs: The Final Chapter, it was not a simple matter to find the remains, and when they were found, to verify that they were really the Romanovs. 

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  9. Nanda Pajama-Tantrum Member
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    Mark Camp (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

    Why would anyone mourn the loss of the Romanovs?

    Some of us just find the savage murder of a little girl very sad. I don’t think I can answer your question why we do. We just do. If you had been the father, you would mourn, and perhaps wouldn’t be able to say exactly why. It’s the same thing, but with us it extends to little girls we didn’t know personally.

    Not to mention a sickly adolescent boy who would’ve died of hemophilia…

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  10. Doug Watt Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):

    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    In 1977 the house located near Yekaterinburg that served as a prison for the Romanovs was ordered destroyed by a little known regional party chief, Boris Yeltsin. The bodies were found in 1979, and promptly reburied, and the discovery was not made public. Their bodies were publicly exhumed in 1991.

    Huh. He actually did know where the bodies were buried.

    I’m not sure which “he” you mean, but according to Robert K. Massie’s book, The Romanovs: The Final Chapter, it was not a simple matter to find the remains, and when they were found, to verify that they were really the Romanovs.

    Like any other secret, this one was probably difficult to keep. To kill an entire family and their servants it would probably have to be done at one time. If 10 people were required to eliminate them in one night that would mean, not counting those who gave they order a hundred people would know within a very short period of time of their execution. That 100 people would in turn tell a 100 more, and so on. Even with purges there would be a certain amount of people that knew the order was given, and carried out. Knowing the exact location of the burial might have been more difficult.

    If each of the ten that carried out the order told one person, then 20 would know, then 40, then 60, and so on.

     

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