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  1. Columbo Inactive
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    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    Fred Cole (View Comment):
    This is a trope in conservative victimism circles, that everyone in Hollywood hates religion and blacklists anyone who is openly religious.

    “It’s almost impossible to get elected to high office unless you profess belief in God” is a trope in atheist victimism circles.

    You win Rico for the day. I regret that I only have one ‘like’ to give ….

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  2. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    Fred Cole (View Comment):
    This is a trope in conservative victimism circles, that everyone in Hollywood hates religion and blacklists anyone who is openly religious.

    “It’s almost impossible to get elected to high office unless you profess belief in God” is a trope in atheist victimism circles.

    Funny how Fred thinks his tropes are so smart and proof of his righteousness while all others stopes are so stupid and proof of others inferiority.  

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  3. Fred Cole Inactive
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    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    Fred Cole (View Comment):
    This is a trope in conservative victimism circles, that everyone in Hollywood hates religion and blacklists anyone who is openly religious.

    “It’s almost impossible to get elected to high office unless you profess belief in God” is a trope in atheist victimism circles.

    Just a statement of fact.

    You’re welcome to counter it by pointing to current members of Congress who are out atheists. 

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  4. The Whether Man Inactive
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    Mate De (View Comment):

    The Whether Man (View Comment):

    Mate De (View Comment):

    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    Mate De: I’m shocked they didn’t bleep out the word God on MTV since it’s considered profane on that channel.

    That’s ridiculous. It shouldn’t be shocking at all.

    Some 80 to 90 percent of American believe in God, depending on the survey. Every major Christian holiday is essentially a national holiday. It’s almost impossible to get elected to high office unless you profess belief in God.

    Your argument has nothing to do with what I said. My comment was specific to MTV, which is incredibly progressive and full of folks who get pretty squirmy when you mention God. Yes, I know this because I know people who work there. You can take that how you want.

     

     

    But isn’t there a difference between the internal culture of MTV, and broadcasts to the nation where the audience is that 80-90% who believe in God? From a business standpoint, you don’t bleep God because those people have dollars to spend with your advertisers, no matter how squirmy the director gets over it.

    First, just because people say they believe in God, doesn’t mean they are religious. Second MTV, is a niche audience. Like any cable channel that gets bundled in with other channels they can afford to be niche, and they don’t have any plans to change that, that I can see. Some of the most raunchiest garbage has been produced by MTV, it hasn’t been about music in 30 years ever since the first Real World.

    All true.  And none of which explains why they would need to bleep references to God. People can be not particularly religious, into all kinds of things that make the toes of the more devout curl, but still not offended by a reference to God!

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  5. DrewInWisconsin Member
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    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    Fred Cole (View Comment):
    This is a trope in conservative victimism circles, that everyone in Hollywood hates religion and blacklists anyone who is openly religious.

    “It’s almost impossible to get elected to high office unless you profess belief in God” is a trope in atheist victimism circles.

    Just a statement of fact.

    You’re welcome to counter it by pointing to current members of Congress who are out atheists.

    But that wouldn’t demonstrate anything, unless we could also track their campaign ads, election rallies, and polls to see if a) they mentioned belief in God (or lack thereof), and b) if it moved the needle at all.

    It’s just a stupid comment that I frequently see from new atheists trying to don the cloak of victimhood. “Oh, pity us poor atheists! People discriminate against us because we don’t believe in your sky fairy!”

    Consider: there might be another reason that a certain type of atheist is disliked.

    For certain we have a lot of functional atheists in high office regardless of whether they claim a belief.

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  6. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    Fred Cole (View Comment):
    This is a trope in conservative victimism circles, that everyone in Hollywood hates religion and blacklists anyone who is openly religious.

    “It’s almost impossible to get elected to high office unless you profess belief in God” is a trope in atheist victimism circles.

    Just a statement of fact.

    You’re welcome to counter it by pointing to current members of Congress who are out atheists.

    Correlation does not imply causation.

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  7. Mate De Inactive
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    The Whether Man (View Comment):

    Mate De (View Comment):

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    Mate De (View Comment):

    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    Mate De: I’m shocked they didn’t bleep out the word God on MTV since it’s considered profane on that channel.

    That’s ridiculous. It shouldn’t be shocking at all.

    Some 80 to 90 percent of American believe in God, depending on the survey. Every major Christian holiday is essentially a national holiday. It’s almost impossible to get elected to high office unless you profess belief in God.

    Your argument has nothing to do with what I said. My comment was specific to MTV, which is incredibly progressive and full of folks who get pretty squirmy when you mention God. Yes, I know this because I know people who work there. You can take that how you want.

     

     

    But isn’t there a difference between the internal culture of MTV, and broadcasts to the nation where the audience is that 80-90% who believe in God? From a business standpoint, you don’t bleep God because those people have dollars to spend with your advertisers, no matter how squirmy the director gets over it.

    First, just because people say they believe in God, doesn’t mean they are religious. Second MTV, is a niche audience. Like any cable channel that gets bundled in with other channels they can afford to be niche, and they don’t have any plans to change that, that I can see. Some of the most raunchiest garbage has been produced by MTV, it hasn’t been about music in 30 years ever since the first Real World.

    All true. And none of which explains why they would need to bleep references to God. People can be not particularly religious, into all kinds of things that make the toes of the more devout curl, but still not offended by a reference to God!

    um…. that was a joke. I wasn’t serious that MTV would ACTUALLY censor the word God.

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  8. Fred Cole Inactive
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    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):
    For certain we have a lot of functional atheists in high office regardless of whether they claim a belief.

    Sorry. I’m unclear. What is a “functional atheist”?

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    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):
    For certain we have a lot of functional atheists in high office regardless of whether they claim a belief.

    Sorry. I’m unclear. What is a “functional atheist”?

    A functional atheist is one that does not take a belief in God seriously, bases none of his actions on their belief in God and is unmoved by appeals to the Faith they claim to hold.  Their lack of claiming to be atheist may allow them more flexibility to accept religious or faith based help when it conforms to his agenda but it is always the faithful coming to his pre-held position it never is him being moved by his faith to take a position he already didn’t hold.

    Before I had a conversion to follow Christ I was a functional atheist.  I never claimed there was no God but I lived and acted and made my decision as if there was no God.

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  10. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Brian Wolf (View Comment):

    A functional atheist is one that does not take a belief in God seriously, bases none of his actions on their belief in God and is unmoved by appeals to the Faith they claim to hold. Their lack of claiming to be atheist may allow them more flexibility to accept religious or faith based help when it conforms to his agenda but it is always the faithful coming to his pre-held position it never is him being moved by his faith to take a position he already didn’t hold.

    Before I had a conversion to follow Christ I was a functional atheist. I never claimed there was no God but I lived and acted and made my decision as if there was no God.

    Did you act like you and other people had a soul? It is my observation that atheists act like they and other have a soul no matter how much they disbelieve it.

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  11. Spin Inactive
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    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):
    Oh, pity us poor atheists!

    Atheism is the belief of boys. – Me, paraphrasing Lewis again

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  12. Brian Wolf Inactive
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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Brian Wolf (View Comment):

    A functional atheist is one that does not take a belief in God seriously, bases none of his actions on their belief in God and is unmoved by appeals to the Faith they claim to hold. Their lack of claiming to be atheist may allow them more flexibility to accept religious or faith based help when it conforms to his agenda but it is always the faithful coming to his pre-held position it never is him being moved by his faith to take a position he already didn’t hold.

    Before I had a conversion to follow Christ I was a functional atheist. I never claimed there was no God but I lived and acted and made my decision as if there was no God.

    Did you act like you and other people had a soul? It is my observation that atheists act like they and other have a soul no matter how much they disbelieve it.

    I think I did yes.  Atheist have to get by day by day like everyone else and have to wake up every morning and find meaning.  Behaving as if there is soul helps with all that. 

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  13. Arizona Patriot Member
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    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    Fred Cole (View Comment):
    This is a trope in conservative victimism circles, that everyone in Hollywood hates religion and blacklists anyone who is openly religious.

    “It’s almost impossible to get elected to high office unless you profess belief in God” is a trope in atheist victimism circles.

    Just a statement of fact.

    You’re welcome to counter it by pointing to current members of Congress who are out atheists.

    Fred, I disagree with what you said about Hollywood, but agree with you about high office.

    On the Hollywood issue, I suggest that you listen to Andrew Klavan, who is very clear on this point based on his own personal experience.  I have no such experience, but find Klavan to be a highly credible source.

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  14. Arizona Patriot Member
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    OK, the parts about dog meds and poop science were really weird.  It may have been just an attempt at humor, but I think it more likely that it was comic cover that Pratt used for his main points, which were excellent.

    He hit 4 major theistic points — you have a soul, God is real, learn to pray, nobody is perfect.

    I have a bit of a problem with the “don’t bully” part, but only because of the twisted effect of today’s victim routine.  We often have weak, stupid people acting as bullies precisely because it would be perceived as bullying to give them a well-deserved smack-down.  I don’t have a good solution to this.  It seems to recur over and over — belligerent or uncooperative criminal suspects provoking the police, Palestinians charging the Israeli border, unruly students shutting down lectures with threats and chanting.

    I agree with Pratt’s main point that strength and intelligence should not be misused.

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  15. The Whether Man Inactive
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    Mate De (View Comment):

    The Whether Man (View Comment):

    Mate De (View Comment):

    The Whether Man (View Comment):

    Mate De (View Comment):

    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    Mate De: I’m shocked they didn’t bleep out the word God on MTV since it’s considered profane on that channel.

    That’s ridiculous. It shouldn’t be shocking at all.

    Some 80 to 90 percent of American believe in God, depending on the survey. Every major Christian holiday is essentially a national holiday. It’s almost impossible to get elected to high office unless you profess belief in God.

    Your argument has nothing to do with what I said. My comment was specific to MTV, which is incredibly progressive and full of folks who get pretty squirmy when you mention God. Yes, I know this because I know people who work there. You can take that how you want.

     

     

    But isn’t there a difference between the internal culture of MTV, and broadcasts to the nation where the audience is that 80-90% who believe in God? From a business standpoint, you don’t bleep God because those people have dollars to spend with your advertisers, no matter how squirmy the director gets over it.

    First, just because people say they believe in God, doesn’t mean they are religious. Second MTV, is a niche audience. Like any cable channel that gets bundled in with other channels they can afford to be niche, and they don’t have any plans to change that, that I can see. Some of the most raunchiest garbage has been produced by MTV, it hasn’t been about music in 30 years ever since the first Real World.

    All true. And none of which explains why they would need to bleep references to God. People can be not particularly religious, into all kinds of things that make the toes of the more devout curl, but still not offended by a reference to God!

    um…. that was a joke. I wasn’t serious that MTV would ACTUALLY censor the word God.

    I assumed it was hyperbole, but based on the mistaken belief that there wouldn’t be strong overlap between people believing in god and MTV types. My spouse is clergy, and the tales of  seminary classmates’ drunken sexcapades before ordination suggest to me that MTV can be raunchy as all get out and still attract religious people!

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