Dictator Trump?

 

I’ve been genuinely puzzled by the assertion on the part of Trump opponents that Trump is a dictator, wants to be a dictator, is like Hitler, is a threat to democracy, and so on. It makes no sense. You’d think that a President who is trying to shrink the size of government would be regarded as exactly the opposite of a wannabe dictator.

But I think I’ve figured out what the confusion is. Liberals think that a President who enacts policies they don’t like, regardless of how legal and above board and constitutional the process is, must be a tyrant. Just because they don’t like the policy.

So, if Trump signs a lawful executive order limiting immigration, liberals think he’s acting like a dictator even though that is one of the powers granted to the President by the Constitution.

Once you realize this is the way liberals think, it becomes clear that there is not and never has been any basis for saying that there is any threat to the Constitution or to Democracy and that Trump is far from being anything like a dictator.

To the Liberal/Left I say: If Trump lawfully enacts a policy you guys don’t like, he’s not just doing his job, he’s doing what he promised to do when he got elected. That doesn’t make him a dictator.

As for pardoning himself, maybe he can. But it’s a moot point because he can’t duck impeachment that way, and impeachment and conviction by Congress is the lawful way to remove a President. Congress would simply ignore a pardon as being irrelevant.

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  1. blood thirsty neocon Inactive
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    I like Trump personally. I get that he’s not everyone’s flavor of ice cream. But he’s not a dictator, and he never will be. He kowtows to activist judges, and he is much less of an “imperial president” than Obama was. 

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  2. Umbra of Nex Inactive
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    Songwriter (View Comment):

    Kate Braestrup (View Comment):
    It’s not because they don’t “get” Trump. It’s because they don’t actually know Hitler, that is, the biography and behavior of the real deal.

    This. Further, by casually tossing out the Hitler comparison at anyone whom we find to be disagreeable, we diminish the the nearly unfathomable evil of a man who brought about the deaths of millions of people.

    It’s almost too bad that the use of the word fascist as an indiscriminate pejorative has rendered it meaningless because the most Fascist law passed in my lifetime, in the literal sense that it was taking a page out of Mussolini’s playbook, was Obamacare. The targeted industry remained nominally private but the entities were so heavily regulated that their ability to act was limited to, “Do what the government tells you to.”

    But, of course, if you say that Obamacare is Fascist, the immediate response is, “He’s calling Obama Hitler!!!!!1!”

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  3. Kate Braestrup Member
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    @GrannyDude

    Songwriter (View Comment):

    Kate Braestrup (View Comment):
    It’s not because they don’t “get” Trump. It’s because they don’t actually know Hitler, that is, the biography and behavior of the real deal.

    This. Further, by casually tossing out the Hitler comparison at anyone whom we find to be disagreeable, we diminish the the nearly unfathomable evil of a man who brought about the deaths of millions of people.

    And we might make it less likely that we’ll recognize the next one when s/he comes along.

    Obama—obviously—-was not Hitler. But I wish I could tell people (without getting a snootful of bile) that a genuine dictator would be much more likely to resemble Obama in broad outline. Not so much because of his ideology (tho’ there’s that) but because he was very nearly immune from media criticism, had followers for whom he could do no wrong, was able to whitewash his background, was able to charm elites (“crease of his pants” and so on)  and had a nice family to whom he was devoted, which is the modern equivalent of a monkish dedication to the public weal.  

    Also—Obama’s life, prior to politics, was essentially lived within the orbit of academia.

    Hitler himself was not especially well-educated,  but he was surrounded by men with advanced degrees, generally in what are ironically known as the humanities —  Goebbels, for example, had a Ph.D  in 19th c. literature. 

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  4. Mark Camp Member
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    Roderic Fabian: Liberals think that a President who enacts policies they don’t like, regardless of how legal and above board and constitutional the process is, must be a tyrant.

    It’s logically impossible for a person to think that and be a liberal.

    • All who think that have Abstract Thinking Deficit (ATD*).
    • All liberals believe that right action or effective policy (or both) depend on abstract principles, which requires that they not have ATD.
    • Therefore no liberal has ATD.
    • QED.  No liberal thinks that a President who enacts policies he doesn’t  like must be a tyrant.

    Now, if you argue that most people who express political views have ATD, then I would have to agree.  But that is a lower bar.

    *ATD: I invented this disorder. I have no objection to that, since I’m not an accepted authority on abnormal psychology.  If I were a real authority,  then obviously I  would strenuously object, defending my profession against fake science.  But no, I guess I couldn’t, because then it would be a real disorder.  So, I guess either way, it’s ok.

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  5. Don Tillman Member
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    Misthiocracy, Joke Pending (View Comment):

    Saxonburg (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy, Joke Pending (View Comment):

    Every president since World War II, whether Democrat or Republican, has been compared to Hitler and/or called a Nazi.

    Not true! We never called Obama a Nazi. We called him a Communist, and rightly so.

    This poster is specifically from Lyndon Larouche’s people.   The branding is clearly visible at the bottom.

    The Larouche folks printed up an enormous number of these, and variations, and sent teams to Tea Party and conservative events.  Larouche is a Democrat.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaRouche_movement

     

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  6. Misthiocracy, Joke Pending Member
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    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):

    Do any Democrats compare Trump to Stalin?

    Why would they compare Trump to the greatest leader of the 20th Century?

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  7. Misthiocracy, Joke Pending Member
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    Don Tillman (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy, Joke Pending (View Comment):

    Saxonburg (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy, Joke Pending (View Comment):

    Every president since World War II, whether Democrat or Republican, has been compared to Hitler and/or called a Nazi.

    Not true! We never called Obama a Nazi. We called him a Communist, and rightly so.

    This poster is specifically from Lyndon Larouche’s people. The branding is clearly visible at the bottom.

    The Larouche folks printed up an enormous number of these, and variations, and sent teams to Tea Party and conservative events. Larouche is a Democrat.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaRouche_movement

     

    So what?  The thesis being defended is that every president since WWII has been compared to Hitler and/or Nazis.  The thesis was not that every president since WWII has been compared to Hitler and/or Nazis by reasonable people

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  8. Don Tillman Member
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    Misthiocracy, Joke Pending (View Comment):
    So what? The thesis being defended is that every president since WWII has been compared to Hitler and/or Nazis.

    ‘Wasn’t arguing a thesis; ‘just pointing out the source of a series of posters that have been very widely distributed.

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  9. Chris Campion Coolidge
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    Kate Braestrup (View Comment):

    A progressive friend of mine sent me a long missive in which was the following description of how she sees the world since the election of DJT:

    ‘Things have not improved for the general good, though some people choose to ignore the deadly cost of the small surface benefits they may feel in their own wallets. Chaos, cruelty, anxiety and loss continue to grow in the larger scale. Children are torn from their parents. The climate heats up. Wildfires have continued through winter. Order unravels, deceit raises its cheery voice in misleading headlines, while Earth groans in her travail.”

    Hilarious.  Earth doesn’t groan.  Maybe the author does, trying to get out of bed in the morning, while images of Donald dance in her head.

    The same worship of people you like leads you to places where you shouldn’t be, when someone you don’t like is in power.  Solution:  Stop giving power to the gov’t over your very lives.

    And start living yours, and stop living vicariously through the political actions of self-interested idiots.

     

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  10. Suspira Member
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    Kate Braestrup (View Comment):

    A progressive friend of mine sent me a long missive in which was the following description of how she sees the world since the election of DJT:

    ‘Things have not improved for the general good, though some people choose to ignore the deadly cost of the small surface benefits they may feel in their own wallets. Chaos, cruelty, anxiety and loss continue to grow in the larger scale. Children are torn from their parents. The climate heats up. Wildfires have continued through winter. Order unravels, deceit raises its cheery voice in misleading headlines, while Earth groans in her travail.”

     

    This is truly how progressives feel, which is why I suspect in a saner world progressivism would be a recognized mental disorder.

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  11. Don Tillman Member
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    Kate Braestrup (View Comment):

    A progressive friend of mine sent me a long missive in which was the following description of how she sees the world since the election of DJT:

    ‘Things have not improved for the general good, though some people choose to ignore the deadly cost of the small surface benefits they may feel in their own wallets. Chaos, cruelty, anxiety and loss continue to grow in the larger scale. Children are torn from their parents. The climate heats up. Wildfires have continued through winter. Order unravels, deceit raises its cheery voice in misleading headlines, while Earth groans in her travail.”

    They’ve clearly got poets writing their talking points.

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  12. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Kate Braestrup (View Comment):

    A progressive friend of mine sent me a long missive in which was the following description of how she sees the world since the election of DJT:

    ‘Things have not improved for the general good, though some people choose to ignore the deadly cost of the small surface benefits they may feel in their own wallets. Chaos, cruelty, anxiety and loss continue to grow in the larger scale. Children are torn from their parents. The climate heats up. Wildfires have continued through winter. Order unravels, deceit raises its cheery voice in misleading headlines, while Earth groans in her travail.”

     

    Is she accusing you of supporting the things she’s delineating?

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  13. Basil Fawlty Member
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    Don Tillman (View Comment):

    Kate Braestrup (View Comment):

    A progressive friend of mine sent me a long missive in which was the following description of how she sees the world since the election of DJT:

    ‘Things have not improved for the general good, though some people choose to ignore the deadly cost of the small surface benefits they may feel in their own wallets. Chaos, cruelty, anxiety and loss continue to grow in the larger scale. Children are torn from their parents. The climate heats up. Wildfires have continued through winter. Order unravels, deceit raises its cheery voice in misleading headlines, while Earth groans in her travail.”

    They’ve clearly got poets writing their talking points.

    But they need to separate the Yeats from the chaff.

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  14. Terry Mott Member
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    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):

    Don Tillman (View Comment):

    Kate Braestrup (View Comment):

    A progressive friend of mine sent me a long missive in which was the following description of how she sees the world since the election of DJT:

    ‘Things have not improved for the general good, though some people choose to ignore the deadly cost of the small surface benefits they may feel in their own wallets. Chaos, cruelty, anxiety and loss continue to grow in the larger scale. Children are torn from their parents. The climate heats up. Wildfires have continued through winter. Order unravels, deceit raises its cheery voice in misleading headlines, while Earth groans in her travail.”

    They’ve clearly got poets writing their talking points.

    But they need to separate the Yeats from the chaff.

    My first thought was something like, “But not very good poets.”  Your take is so much better.  Bravo.

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  15. Richard Easton Coolidge
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    Kate Braestrup (View Comment):

    Roderic Fabian: I’ve been genuinely puzzled by the assertion on the part of Trump opponents that Trump is a dictator, wants to be a dictator, is like Hitler, is a threat to democracy, and so on.

    It’s not because they don’t “get” Trump. It’s because they don’t actually know Hitler, that is, the biography and behavior of the real deal. Possibly because they’ve watched too many movies, they seem to think that a dictator must be a loud, louche, undisciplined, chaotic reprobate who goes around making bombastic, silly remarks, lives in an Evil Lair (with gold toilets) and generally resembles…well… someone from an Austin Powers flick.

    Hitler was abstemious to a fault—no alcohol, no tobacco, vegetarian food. He disapproved strongly of adultery and punished subordinates for misbehavior. He made his mistress Eva Braun keep a very low profile so that the German people could indulge themselves in the fantasy that their Leader lived like a sort of Nazi monk, devoted, heart and soul, to them and their well-being. He presented himself as the answer to, not the instigator of, social and political chaos, the one who would restore dignity and order to Germany after a Weimar Era marked by political violence, racial liberality (as exemplified by the popularity of “Negro Music” aka Jazz) and sexual libertinism.

    Unlike Trump, whose every stupid remark, business catastrophe and personal peccadillo has been before the public in print and on screen for the last fifty years, often at his own instigation, Hitler’s actual biography was kept on the down-low, with information —especially anything that might have struck an ordinary German as disreputable or bohemian—whitewashed and strictly controlled.

    And he was, apparently, charming (hard to imagine, I know).

    Hitler barely survived politically the scandal of his relationship with his niece Geli Raubal and her suicide (or murder).

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  16. TBA Coolidge
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    Kate Braestrup (View Comment):

    A progressive friend of mine sent me a long missive in which was the following description of how she sees the world since the election of DJT:

    ‘Things have not improved for the general good, though some people choose to ignore the deadly cost of the small surface benefits they may feel in their own wallets. Chaos, cruelty, anxiety and loss continue to grow in the larger scale. Children are torn from their parents. The climate heats up. Wildfires have continued through winter. Order unravels, deceit raises its cheery voice in misleading headlines, while Earth groans in her travail.”

    A green soul with purple prose. 

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  17. Kate Braestrup Member
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    Richard Easton (View Comment):
    Hitler barely survived politically the scandal of his relationship with his niece Geli Raubal and her suicide (or murder).

    Apropos of nothing in particular, have any of you watched “Look Who’s Back” on Netflix? Reactions?!?

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  18. Umbra of Nex Inactive
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    Kate Braestrup (View Comment):

    Richard Easton (View Comment):
    Hitler barely survived politically the scandal of his relationship with his niece Geli Raubal and her suicide (or murder).

    Apropos of nothing in particular, have any of you watched “Look Who’s Back” on Netflix? Reactions?!?

    When a film’s description includes a “comedian” “interacting with” (read “making fun of”) “ordinary people” that’s an instant turn off for me. 

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  19. OkieSailor Member
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    Kate Braestrup (View Comment):

    Richard Easton (View Comment):
    Hitler barely survived politically the scandal of his relationship with his niece Geli Raubal and her suicide (or murder).

    Apropos of nothing in particular, have any of you watched “Look Who’s Back” on Netflix? Reactions?!?

    Have just now added it to my List on Netflix. I’ll let you know what I think of it and look forward to your thoughts.

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