Ideological Blindness In Real Life

 

I was speaking with a co-worker the other day, and we got into a discussion about men and women in sports. He almost took offense to my statement that men are generally stronger than women. He claimed I was trying to say men were better than women by citing examples of men beating top-ranked women, like when the 203rd ranked men’s tennis player beat both Venus and Serena Williams after they declared they could beat any man outside the top 200.

It was a strange experience because I didn’t think people could really be so blinded by ideology. I thought these sorts of people existed only in the dark recesses of college campuses for the sole purpose of being reported upon by The Daily Wire. Yet here I was, speaking with someone who was aghast at my simple statement of fact. “I have a degree in anthropology!”

As always, I was respectful and tried to keep the tone light, but he bristled at the slightest implication that men were stronger than women. I realize now that ideological blindness is very, very real, and that it is really, really dangerous. If real people — people I know and interact with — can succumb to it, I really worry for the future, more so than I have in the past. I had always hoped that the extreme left wing was relegated to the very far margins of our republic; unfortunately, it seems I was mistaken.

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  1. Bob W Member
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    Ironically, I bet your friend would also be one who would insist “It’s never ok to hit a woman!”  (Which rule would of course be unnecessary if women and men were equal physically.)

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  2. Quietpi Member
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    PHenry (View Comment):

    Quietpi (View Comment):
    shouldn’t , oh, say, 30% or so of the NBA be made up of women?

    If it weren’t for the sexism it would be 50%! /sarc

    Oh, I had to give some wiggle room for the progressives.  

    After writing this, I recalled something from when I worked for the U.S. Forest Service.  There was a lady on our district who determined that she wanted to be a smokejumper.  At the time, she would be the first to make it, and if any female could do it, she could.  She was in tremendous physical condition to start with, and she went to work with a passion to get in even better shape.  She was, without question, one of the most physically fit people on the district.  She washed out.  

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  3. drlorentz Member
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    Joe Pas: Yet here I was, speaking with someone who was aghast at my simple statement of fact. “I have a degree in anthropology!”

    This may say more about the discipline of anthropology than anything else. Tell your anthropologist friend to read Greg Cochran. On second thought, don’t. 

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  4. iWe Coolidge
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    Misthiocracy, Joke Pending (View Comment):

    At it’s most basic, any ideology is merely a decision-making framework which is made necessary by unavoidable ignorance.

    It is impossible to have 100% perfect information whenever making any decision. Therefore, in addition to robust data one must use a priori beliefs and assumptions based on tradition, culture, and educated guesses in order to make decisions. The less robust data one has, the most one must rely on ideology. One can never be totally free from ideology, or else one would be unable to ever make a decision.

    Perfectly stated. Every decision is made with imperfect/incomplete information, and to claim otherwise is foolish.

    Thank you!

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  5. Jim McConnell Member
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    That’s what I call “willful ignorance,” and it seems more common each day. If it doesn’t fit within the current mindset, it is either wrong or hateful.

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  6. Misthiocracy, Joke Pending Member
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    Bob W (View Comment):

    Ironically, I bet your friend would also be one who would insist “It’s never ok to hit a woman!” (Which rule would of course be unnecessary if women and men were equal physically.)

    If I was a betting man, I might wager that, on average, when all other factors are kept constant, men who subscribe to the ideology that “it’s never ok to hit a woman” probably tend to have better life outcomes than men who subscribe to the ideology that “hitting a woman can be justified in rare circumstances”, and that it’s an example of an a priori belief that probably works out for the best more than 50% of the time, over all, on average, statistically-speaking, if one were to gather the empirical evidence, even though it’s almost certainly unsound logically.

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  7. Kozak Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    True Leftists never allow facts to get in the way of their ideology.

    I hope at some point their ideology decides gravity doesn’t exist.

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  8. iWe Coolidge
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    Misthiocracy, Joke Pending (View Comment):
    men who subscribe to the ideology that it’s never ok to hit a woman probably have better life outcomes than men who subscribe to the ideology that hitting a woman can be justified in rare circumstances.

    It is never OK to lose control of oneself. 

    But I can easily justify hitting a woman or a child – I smack my kids to teach them not to do incredibly stupid things, for example. Force can (and should) be used when it leads to better outcomes.

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  9. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Misthiocracy, Joke Pending (View Comment):

    Bob W (View Comment):

    Ironically, I bet your friend would also be one who would insist “It’s never ok to hit a woman!” (Which rule would of course be unnecessary if women and men were equal physically.)

    If I was a betting man, I might wager that, on average, when all other factors are kept constant, men who subscribe to the ideology that “it’s never ok to hit a woman” probably tend to have better life outcomes than men who subscribe to the ideology that “hitting a woman can be justified in rare circumstances”, and that it’s an example of an a priori belief that probably works out for the best more than 50% of the time, over all, on average, statistically-speaking, if one were to gather the empirical evidence, even though it’s almost certainly unsound logically.

    You probably have not met any womyn that like / wanted to be hit.  

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  10. Misthiocracy, Joke Pending Member
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    iWe (View Comment):
    It is never OK to lose control of oneself.

    Inaccurate.  There are plenty of instances in life where “losing control” is a necessary survival mechanism.

    e.g. If I touch a hot stove my brain automatically makes my arm yank my hand away from the heat source.  This does not happen consciously.  It happens automatically, because conscious decision-making takes way too much time and my hand would be burning even more during the interval.  In such an instance, I have lost conscious control of my hand, and for good reason.  Some call this phenomenon, “rational irrationality”.

    A better way to phrase the maxim could be, it is never OK to lose control of oneself if said loss of control results in negative consequences.

    The ends may not justify the means, but they definitely justify unconscious actions.

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  11. BastiatJunior Member
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    Your co-worker wins the prize, hands down.

    Over the years I have been frustrated by leftist imperviosity to evidence on things like capitalism’s superiority to socialism, the flaws in global warming theory or the evils of the Castro regime.

    I have led a sheltered life.  Those leftists are geniuses compared to your co-worker.

     

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  12. Eeyore Member
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    Joe Pas: I had always hoped that the extreme left wing was relegated to the very far margins of our republic; unfortunately, it seems I was mistaken.

    I used to wonder what all those frillions of Gender Studies graduates were going to do for a living. Now I know that they’re successfully assaulting every company and organization large enough to have an HR department.

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  13. Kozak Member
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    Eeyore (View Comment):

    Joe Pas: I had always hoped that the extreme left wing was relegated to the very far margins of our republic; unfortunately, it seems I was mistaken.

    I used to wonder what all those frillions of Gender Studies graduates were going to do for a living. Now I know that they’re successfully assaulting every company and organization large enough to have an HR department.

    They may be one of the most successful invading armies ever.  They will bring the entire Western World to it’s knees.

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  14. JavaMan Inactive
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    Gossamer Cat (View Comment):

    He has been watching too many movies where the 90 lb heroine beats up all the big bad men. Don’t get me wrong. I don’t mind that women are shown defending themselves effectively (there are ways) or even as aggressors with appropriate weapons. But I very much dislike jettisoning the prohibition against men hitting women. I am a very strong woman, but I am always astounded how much stronger most men are compared to me. Not all men; but most men. I couldn’t beat my uncle at arm wrestling, with a 30 year age difference and me using both arms. .

    So I’ve been concerned that women were buying into the very dangerous narrative that there is no difference in strength between men and women. But for a man to believe it? That’s insane.

             The rule isn’t that you have to believe it, but that you must assert and vigorously defend it, else you haven’t shown the proper repudiation of your “male privileged” and “toxic masculinity”.

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  15. BastiatJunior Member
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    Misthiocracy, Joke Pending (View Comment):

    If I was a betting man, I might wager that, on average, when all other factors are kept constant, men who subscribe to the ideology that “it’s never ok to hit a woman” probably tend to have better life outcomes than men who subscribe to the ideology that “hitting a woman can be justified in rare circumstances”, and that it’s an example of an a priori belief that probably works out for the best more than 50% of the time, over all, on average, statistically-speaking, if one were to gather the empirical evidence, even though it’s almost certainly unsound logically.

    I still believe in spanking children under certain circumstances.  Sometimes the only way to get to their head is through the other end.

    As for hitting a woman, only if someone’s life is at stake, and I would still feel terrible about it.

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  16. BastiatJunior Member
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    This post raises a question.

    Do we conservatives have similar blind spots?

    I can’t see any.

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  17. Joe Pas Inactive
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    BastiatJunior (View Comment):

    This post raises a question.

    Do we conservatives have similar blind spots?

    I can’t see any.

    Of course not. Everyone who agrees with me is a paragon of virtue, and everyone who disagrees with me shall be cast into the pit, where there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

    That’s just science.

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  18. Misthiocracy, Joke Pending Member
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    BastiatJunior (View Comment):
    I still believe in spanking children under certain circumstances.

    Like when they get stuck in the cat door.

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  19. Misthiocracy, Joke Pending Member
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    Larry Koler (View Comment):

    Logic is not a strong suit of the left. Leftists prey on people who can’t think logically.

    Here’s my favorite story to date:

    A coworker is an ex-Marine and a well-educated and very capable engineer. He’s such a leftist that I try different things out on him now and then. We were talking about some political issue and he came back on me with, “That’s just a generalization.” To which I replied: “Generalizations are the beginning of wisdom.” He went nuts, saying that such a statement is ridiculous on its face. He’s never listened to Dennis Prager, I guess.

    Isn’t most of engineering based on scientific generalizations?

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  20. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Joe Pas (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    People like your coworker is why I only discuss work at work and nothing else. No personal stuff. No political stuff. Nothing but work and only just work. People like your coworker exist and they all seem to have an in with the HR department. HR departments are there to protect the company and if they sense one of the SJW snowflakes on a tear they will reprimand you so quick it will make your head spin out of instinctual company self preservation.

    I normally follow this rule, but my circumstances at this point are rather unique. I’m working in a national park this summer, and I live in employee housing with most everyone else. I’ve found it’s quite difficult to avoid such conversations in this case.

    Learn to read ALOT and maybe you will get through without a visit to HR.

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  21. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Joe Pas: “I have a degree in anthropology!”

    I guess he should have gotten a degree in biology or physiology. Maybe physics (levers and mass in motion). 

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  22. Misthiocracy, Joke Pending Member
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Joe Pas: “I have a degree in anthropology!”

    I guess he should have gotten a degree in biology or physiology. Maybe physics (levers and mass in motion).

    I don’t dismiss anthropology outright, but a little research is required to decide if you should laugh in the person’s face.

    a) Ask him what level of degree.  If it’s a bachelor’s degree or lower, I give you permission to laugh in his face.

    b) If it’s higher than a bachelor’s degree, ask the “anthropologist” how many field missions he’s participated in, and where.

    I can respect an anthropologist if they’ve done real field work.

     

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  23. Dorrk Inactive
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    BastiatJunior (View Comment):

    This post raises a question.

    Do we conservatives have similar blind spots?

    I can’t see any.

    Irony intended, I assume.

    A friend of mine who is pretty far-right — he cites Vox Day as one of his favorite bloggers — once raised this same subject with me, but he exposed, I think, ideological blindness from the other direction. He argued that men are so naturally stronger and more dexterous than women that he — a 45-ish man of average fitness with no specialty training — would be able to outfight ANY woman, even including those trained as fighters, like female MMA champions. He didn’t argue that it would be a competitive fight, or that he could go several rounds, but that it wouldn’t be much of a contest, dismissing even the development of fighting strategy and tactics in women who train every day to compete at such things.

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  24. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    This has been going on a long time. In the early 1970s the college coffeehouse conversation used to go like this:

    PC Maroon: “There’s no difference between men and women.”

    Me: “There is in their brains.”

    PCM: “Nu uh!”

    Me: The distribution and number of estrogen receptors is different between male and female brains. That doesn’t speak to intellectual capacity, but the assertion that there is no difference is false.”

    Actually, we now know that we know that there are women with testes, so you can’t say that “men are stronger than women.”

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  25. Umbra of Nex, Fractus Inactive
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    BastiatJunior (View Comment):

    This post raises a question.

    Do we conservatives have similar blind spots?

    I can’t see any.

    I think the question of political correctness can be our blind spot as well as theirs. As the OP points out, they tend to ignore reality when reality isn’t politically correct. Our blind spot tends to be that we too often excuse actual offensive behavior as merely politically incorrect.

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  26. derek Inactive
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    The appropriate response would be something like this:

    “Hmm. Anthropology. I wonder if you could get your money back?”

    Two serious points. 

    These people will be the bureaucrats (apparatchiks) that will be making your and your children’s lives miserable for a long time. 

    A society who can’t even consider reality is doomed. Time to find the hammer to nail the lid shut.

     

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  27. Hoyacon Member
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    Here’s a conversation starter (and ender):

    “I was reading the other day that the WNBA uses basketballs that are one inch smaller in circumference than the men’s ball.  Don’t you think that’s sexist?”

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  28. Kate Braestrup Member
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    BastiatJunior (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy, Joke Pending (View Comment):

    If I was a betting man, I might wager that, on average, when all other factors are kept constant, men who subscribe to the ideology that “it’s never ok to hit a woman” probably tend to have better life outcomes than men who subscribe to the ideology that “hitting a woman can be justified in rare circumstances”, and that it’s an example of an a priori belief that probably works out for the best more than 50% of the time, over all, on average, statistically-speaking, if one were to gather the empirical evidence, even though it’s almost certainly unsound logically.

    I still believe in spanking children under certain circumstances. Sometimes the only way to get to their head is through the other end.

    As for hitting a woman, only if someone’s life is at stake, and I would still feel terrible about it.

    I balked at that too… and then thought “Cops sometimes have to hit women. Oh yeah. Duh.”

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  29. Matt Wood Inactive
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    Yep. Those people are out there. 

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  30. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Welcome to reality.

    Reality is lame can I live somewhere else.

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