Are We Winning the Debate? (Part 1)

 

(Sorry for the 20-minute run time but I want to offer a complete version. If you want a shorter version you can watch it here.)

For those of you who have no time for a video at the moment, a white guy was casually called a racist by a race-baiter and he absolutely refused to take it. He wasn’t obnoxious or vulgar but he was firm and resolute. I have a flutter of optimism that this is a new trend that will work against the idiocy of identity politics.

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  1. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Fred Houstan (View Comment):

    His quoting Beyonce, saying “Bra,” and implying that Peterson is racist when Peterson replied; “you would say that” wherein Dyson started moaning like a bovine in heat. It is all cringe-worthy.

    That’s why Jordan’s smack down was so satisfying. 

     

     

     

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  2. They call me PJ Boy or they ca… Member
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    Nanda Pajama-Tantrum (View Comment):
    Still can’t understand how Progressive thought can hold up in the services; educate your honorary Jarine sis, please and thank you, Sñr. Caballero?

    There have been some interesting Marines. Given the late Smedley Butler’s two Medals of Honor and retirement from the USMC as a Major General, this may give us pause:

    I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902–1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.

    I’m guessing that this quote is from his book:  War is a Racket

    P.S.  that was my final answer. 

    P.P.S.  I did read the book years ago.

     

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  3. Wolverine Inactive
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    I think the most” lack-of-self-awareness” thing that Dyson said was that he was about breaking down barriers. The first thing you need to do to  break down barriers is to treat the individual you are interacting with as an individual and not as a representative of a group. How is it “breaking down barriers” to immediately refer to someone’s race when debating him. And as an aside, he brought up being Canadian as an example of belonging to a group, conflating group identity based on ethnicity with national identity. National identity serves to beak down barriers while ethnic identity enhances them.

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  4. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    What a blowhard. His “people” (radical Left) should be embarrassed by him. He might sound intelligent, but his ideas are destructive and hateful. If anyone is mean and hate-filled it is this man. And I’m saddened that he would refer to the comparison of equality of opportunity and equality of outcomes as hackneyed and out-of-date. Where the information has not been squelched, we’ve learned that many blacks were making great progress and had become part of the middle class by the 1960s; LBJ dragged them back into Reconstruction. 

    Still, I think we are making progress. Maybe it’s two steps forward, one step back. Thanks for this post, Henry.

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  5. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):
    LBJ dragged them back into Reconstruction.

    Reconstruction was actually pretty good in many ways. Freed blacks walked across states to put their families back together. They got married, went to work and started worrying about how to educate their children.

    In some ways, the welfare state was more destructive to black-American life than slavery. Lest we think this is merely a recent or American phenomenon, let’s take a look at what Theodore Dalrymple wrote about Kurdish refugees.

    Two or three weeks ago a headline in the Guardian newspaper informed a no doubt flabbergasted readership that refugees to this country were disproportionately allocated to reside in its poorest areas. Personally, I did not find this very surprising: it is true that there are fewer jobs in poorer areas than in rich, but refugees are not allowed to take jobs in any case…

    I spent some time in a library in municipal buildings of almost comic hideousness. If I had more money than I have, I would institute an international prize to award to an architect who could design something uglier. I am sure that it would be a prize much competed for by members of the Royal Institute of British Architects, who would win it most years.

    The library was patronised at the time largely by Kurdish refugees, many of whom seemed to spend their day looking at the nearest to pornography that the municipal computers would permit. There were many drifting in the streets; the most cheerful place I could find was a Kurdish café where you could eat quite a good meal for £3. Upstairs was a billiard hall…

    I treated quite lot of refugees (from many countries) in my medical work. The best of them, the healthiest and the happiest of them, paid no attention to the prohibition of work. They went out and got a job anyway. It must be bad law that makes health and happiness dependent upon breaking it.

    It is said that America chokes on gnats but swallows tigers whole. It would seem that many people can resist and overcome incredibly oppression but become corrupted by the insidiousness of the welfare state.

     

     

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  6. They call me PJ Boy or they ca… Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):
    He might sound intelligent,

    Huh?

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  7. Nanda Pajama-Tantrum Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):
    He might sound intelligent,

    Huh?

    SQ, to whom would this “nattering nabob of negativism” [Spiro Agnew via William Safire] sound intelligent, may I inquire?

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    Nanda Pajama-Tantrum (View Comment):

    They call me PJ Boy or they ca… (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):
    He might sound intelligent,

    Huh?

    SQ, to whom would this “nattering nabob of negativism” [Spiro Agnew via William Safire] sound intelligent, may I inquire?

    Himself, for one.  He said so multiple times during the debate.  Any anyone who is wowed by a rambling human thesaurus.

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  9. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Mark Wilson (View Comment):

    a rambling human thesaurus.

    He orations are full of sesquiadelia  and outrage meaning nothing. 

    If his arguments had anything other than ad hominem and pathos then he could speak plainly. 

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  10. RufusRJones Member
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):
    Can we get Alan Grayson to a camera and a mic?

    I miss Olberman’s GQ rants. Epic. LOL

    At least Alex Jones is still standing. 

     

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  11. RufusRJones Member
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    Michael Eric Dyson’s wikipedia page is wild. He’s a PhD theology professor that switched to sociology 10 years ago. 

    I think teaching theology has a hell of a lot more merit than what he’s doing now. Wow. 

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  12. RufusRJones Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Michael Eric Dyson’s wikipedia page is wild. He’s a PhD theology professor that switched to sociology 10 years ago.

    I think teaching theology has a hell of a lot more merit than what he’s doing now. Wow.

    How does a theology professor and ordained minister turn into such a kook? I think some religions make personality disorders worse, not better. That’s what I think. 

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  13. Nanda Pajama-Tantrum Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    How does a theology professor and ordained minister turn into such a kook?

    @katebraestrup‘s recent tangles with ‘reformers’ in her denomination (UU) are instructive in this regard…

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  14. RufusRJones Member
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    Nanda Pajama-Tantrum (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    How does a theology professor and ordained minister turn into such a kook?

    @katebraestrup‘s recent tangles with ‘reformers’ in her denomination (UU) are instructive in this regard…

    I need to look that up. Some of those churches are turning totally progressive to try to get members. United Church of Christ is notorious. They send out the wildest emails. 

    To be clear, my dad has narcissistic personality disorder, and I think my moms’s mom had it. So I’ve got some personal axes to grind on this stuff. 

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  15. Chris O. Coolidge
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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Fred Houstan (View Comment):

    His quoting Beyonce, saying “Bra,” and implying that Peterson is racist when Peterson replied; “you would say that” wherein Dyson started moaning like a bovine in heat. It is all cringe-worthy.

    That’s why Jordan’s smack down was so satisfying.

     

    I don’t know that it was a smackdown. Seemed more like Peterson was treating him like a person and expecting a certain level of peer engagement to go with being a person.

    Dyson seems more interested in being a victim. He states over and over that his position, or at least the position he represents, is diminished and that leaves only one route for him to be persuasive. You can only engage with him on an acceptable level if you agree to his demand. Peterson doesn’t follow the prescribed rule.

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  16. Henry Castaigne Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Michael Eric Dyson’s wikipedia page is wild. He’s a PhD theology professor that switched to sociology 10 years ago.

    I think teaching theology has a hell of a lot more merit than what he’s doing now. Wow.

    How does a theology professor and ordained minister turn into such a kook? I think some religions make personality disorders worse, not better. That’s what I think.

    Religions that affirm humanity or humanity’s politics tend to make things worse. Religions that tell us that our nature is a thing to struggle with make us better.

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