A Seminal Strike for the Older Convention! Two Spaces After a Period.

 

A small firefight has broken out in Ricochet. No, not the battle between the pious NeverTrumps like me and the um, other, people who are [deleted]. No, a much more important issue, namely the use of two spaces between each sentence, after the period, or the suggested new convention of only one space after a period. That issue has now been resolved by scientists. A seminal article in the Washington Post states

“The major reason to use two spaces, the researchers wrote, was to make the reading process smoother, not faster. Everyone tended to spend fewer milliseconds staring at periods when a little extra blank space followed it.

“The study’s authors concluded that two-spacers in the digital age actually have science on their side, and more research should be done to ‘investigate why reading is facilitated when periods are followed by two spaces.’”

So there Millennials and Microsoft Word! You are wrong! You may not correct my use of two spaces after a period. You do not get to set the new standards! Not this time. Not ever!

Two spaces after each period, please.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2018/05/04/one-space-between-each-sentence-they-said-science-just-proved-them-wrong-2/?utm_term=.130cbde33ad1

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  1. Gary Robbins Member
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    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    The only reason for two spaces was because the period on a typewriter wasn’t as wide as a normal letter. That’s it. Anyone who continues to use two spaces is a luddite. Also, the only reason that newspapers used to drop the Oxford (serial) comma was to save ink. That’s it. Anyone who doesn’t use the Oxford comma is also a luddite. Get with the times. 😜

    It is your fault Max!   Restore the second space after the period!

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  2. Arizona Patriot Member
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    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    The only reason for two spaces was because the period on a typewriter wasn’t as wide as a normal letter. That’s it. Anyone who continues to use two spaces is a luddite. Also, the only reason that newspapers used to drop the Oxford (serial) comma wuas to save ink. That’s it. Anyone who doesn’t use the Oxford comma is also a luddite. Get with the times. 😜

    That doesn’t sound right to me, though I’m no expert.  Here’s a link explaining that extra spacing after a sentence was common in printing, though not universal, long before the invention of the typewriter.

    I’m also going to appeal to reverse authority.  Here’s a link to an article by some guy at Slate explaining the superiority of the one space rule, and citing this as the rule supposedly settled on by typographers in Europe “around the early 20th Century” and claiming that “America followed soon after.”

    I submit that, as a good Conservative, if a Slate article claims that something is correct, you should automatically disagree, especially if it is arguing that Europe adopted that supposedly correct thing before it spread to America.  :)

    OK, I actually did check this on some of my older books.  You will have to take my word for it, but the following are set in type that includes a larger space after the period than between words within a sentence:

    Churchill, Their Finest Hour, 1949.  This is a first edition.

    Dumas Malone, Jefferson and the Ordeal of Liberty, 1962 (my version is the 7th printing, so I’m not sure of the print date, but I’m confident that it was in or before the 1980s, because I remember it from my dad’s bookshelf while I was growing up)

    Churchill, The Birth of Britain (the first volume of A History of the English-Speaking Peoples), 1956 (my printing is a 1993 version)

    My daily use Bible, New International Version, 1978 (definitely printed before 1984, as it was a gift to my wife on her 18th birthday)

    It took more work to draw this conclusion out of the Jefferson volume and the Bible.  Malone seems to include an endnote reference at the end of almost every sentence, and the Bible usually, but not always, has a verse nubmer inserted at the end of a sentence.

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  3. Arizona Patriot Member
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    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    The only reason for two spaces was because the period on a typewriter wasn’t as wide as a normal letter. That’s it. Anyone who continues to use two spaces is a luddite. Also, the only reason that newspapers used to drop the Oxford (serial) comma was to save ink. That’s it. Anyone who doesn’t use the Oxford comma is also a luddite. Get with the times. 😜

    I have a follow-up question to this one.

    Would not having a tattoo make me a luddite, or would having a tattoo make me a luddite?

    I’m not saying which is the case, and I’m not saying whether or not I want to be a luddite.  Inquiring minds just want to know.

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  4. JustmeinAZ Member
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    Hmmm. I believe we had this debate a few years ago. On both topics – double space and oxford comma.

    http://ricochet.com/archives/one-space-two/

     

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  5. She Member
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    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    The only reason for two spaces was because the period on a typewriter wasn’t as wide as a normal letter. 

    Not so fast.  That didn’t happen until proportional spacing typewriters came out in the 1950s  I think the “double space” effect, which was used for decades on the old monospace typewriters where every character, including the period took up the same amount of space (usually 1/10 or 1/12 of an inch) is a holdover from the way typeset pages were traditionally set up.  That’s my story and I’m sticking to it  

     

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  6. Dave of Barsham Member
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    I’m with Gary, two spaces. Also, you can now expect four horses of the apocalypse…the end is near.  :)

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  7. 9thDistrictNeighbor Member
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    I am a proud graduate of a number of institutions of higher education.  Forget colleges and universities–my most productive educational experience was several weeks at Katharine Gibbs.  Yes, I am a Katie Gibbs girl.  The Katharine Gibbs Handbook of Business English is an authoritative resource.  Two spaces after the period; also, two spaces before the zip code.

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  8. TBA Coolidge
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    I single space and I enjoy it. 

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  9. formerlawprof Inactive
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    I read through the first 30 or so comments, and was surprised to find–on Ricochet, of all places–a total of zero references to the fatal flaw in the OP.

    A “scientific” study has shown something? Pish-tush. We don’t need no stinking studies (unless someone has followed up to demonstrate that the studies are not simply pseudo-scientific covers for ideological bias)! Who did that study, anyway? Al Gore? The great academician Lysenko?

    Sure; I learned to type on a manual machine, and dutifully learned to pop in two spaces after a period. But then I was informed of a regime change–make that one space, sonny–and I have followed that every since. Not because it had been scientifically “proven” to be better, but because it seemed sensible to me.

     

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  10. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Quake Voter (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins: You do not get to set the new standards! Not this time. Not ever!

    Seems like we conservatives have been saying this for 50 years, and with very little to show for it except some fine well-written books.

    I think you mean well punctuated books.

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  11. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    The only reason for two spaces was because the period on a typewriter wasn’t as wide as a normal letter. That’s it. Anyone who continues to use two spaces is a luddite. Also, the only reason that newspapers used to drop the Oxford (serial) comma was to save ink. That’s it. Anyone who doesn’t use the Oxford comma is also a luddite. Get with the times. 😜

    Hm.  I use the Oxford comma but also two spaces after a period.  I’m trying to figure out the extent of my ludditism.  Can you give me a little help?

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  12. Randy Webster Inactive
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    TBA (View Comment):

    I single space and I enjoy it.

    Heathen!

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  13. Max Ledoux Coolidge
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):
    Hm. I use the Oxford comma but also two spaces after a period. I’m trying to figure out the extent of my ludditism. Can you give me a little help?

    You’re a lud.

     

    OK, so two spaces is also left over from typesettings predating the typewriter. Either way, it’s an anachronism! 😁

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  14. Arahant Member
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    Arizona Patriot (View Comment):
    There’s the use, in theoretically polite company, of acronyms that have become words — you know the ones, generally including the letter F — when you would never use the full phrase in the same company.

    Are you implying that you use a different word in Fouled Up Beyond All Recognition?

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  15. Arahant Member
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    Now, let’s talk about the issue that really differentiates the men from the boys. Justification. It appears to me that all of your justification is on the left. Now, on a site like Ricochet, I could understand if the justification were on the right. But look at all of you. On the other hand, when I write something, it is always fully-justified.

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  16. Gary Robbins Member
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    JustmeinAZ (View Comment):

    Hmmm. I believe we had this debate a few years ago. On both topics – double space and oxford comma.

    http://ricochet.com/archives/one-space-two/

    But the article in the Washington Post just came out, proving me to be right!

     

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  17. Gary Robbins Member
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    TBA (View Comment):

    I single space and I enjoy it.

    It isn’t about enjoyment!  

    It is about decency, duty, and doing the right thing!

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  18. Gary Robbins Member
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    TBA (View Comment):

    I single space and I enjoy it.

    It isn’t about enjoyment!  

    It is about decency, duty, and doing the right thing!

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  19. Gary Robbins Member
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    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    Randy Webster (View Comment):
    Hm. I use the Oxford comma but also two spaces after a period. I’m trying to figure out the extent of my ludditism. Can you give me a little help?

    You’re a lud.

     

    OK, so two spaces is also left over from typesettings predating the typewriter. Either way, it’s an anachronism! 😁

    No, I am an anachronism!

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  20. Gary Robbins Member
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Now, let’s talk about the issue that really differentiates the men from the boys. Justification. It appears to me that all of your justification is on the left. Now, on a site like Ricochet, I could understand if the justification were on the right. But look at all of you. On the other hand, when I write something, it is always fully-justified.

    That is a fertile new area for discussion!

    i am also fully justified!

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  21. Arahant Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    No, I am an anachronism!

    Aren’t we all at this point?

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  22. Arahant Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Now, let’s talk about the issue that really differentiates the men from the boys. Justification. It appears to me that all of your justification is on the left. Now, on a site like Ricochet, I could understand if the justification were on the right. But look at all of you. On the other hand, when I write something, it is always fully-justified.

    That is a fertile new area for discussion!

    i am also fully justified!

    That is not what I see. But Shift-Alt-J could fix that.

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  23. Arahant Member
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    @drewinwisconsin and @misthiocracy, we need your special brands of knowledge in this thread.

     

     

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  24. Gary Robbins Member
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    @drewinwisconsin and @misthiocracy, we need your special brands of knowledge in this thread.

    I can’t imagine that @drewinwisconsin would ever agree with me!

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  25. She Member
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    Arizona Patriot (View Comment):

    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    The only reason for two spaces was because the period on a typewriter wasn’t as wide as a normal letter. That’s it. Anyone who continues to use two spaces is a luddite. Also, the only reason that newspapers used to drop the Oxford (serial) comma was to save ink. That’s it. Anyone who doesn’t use the Oxford comma is also a luddite. Get with the times. 😜

    I have a follow-up question to this one.

    Would not having a tattoo make me a luddite, or would having a tattoo make me a luddite.

    Yes.

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  26. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Now, let’s talk about the issue that really differentiates the men from the boys. Justification. It appears to me that all of your justification is on the left. Now, on a site like Ricochet, I could understand if the justification were on the right. But look at all of you. On the other hand, when I write something, it is always fully-justified.

    I believe in ragged right margins.

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  27. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):

    I single space and I enjoy it.

    It isn’t about enjoyment!

    It is about decency, duty, and doing the right thing!

    Face it, Gary.  You’ve started a war.

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  28. Arahant Member
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Now, let’s talk about the issue that really differentiates the men from the boys. Justification. It appears to me that all of your justification is on the left. Now, on a site like Ricochet, I could understand if the justification were on the right. But look at all of you. On the other hand, when I write something, it is always fully-justified.

    I believe in ragged right margins.

    I think that if I had to go with either right or left that I would much prefer to see the right margin solid and the left in ragged disarray. Let the right be hard and strong and the left dealing with the price of their anarchistic followers and attempts to destroy the institutions that have kept our civilization upon a firm foundation.

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  29. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Now, let’s talk about the issue that really differentiates the men from the boys. Justification. It appears to me that all of your justification is on the left. Now, on a site like Ricochet, I could understand if the justification were on the right. But look at all of you. On the other hand, when I write something, it is always fully-justified.

    I believe in ragged right margins.

    I think that if I had to go with either right or left that I would much prefer to see the right margin solid and the left in ragged disarray. Let the right be hard and strong and the left dealing with the price of their anarchistic followers and attempts to destroy the institutions that have kept out civilization upon a firm foundation.

    Yeah, yeah.  Always with the left-handed prejudice, Moriarty.

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  30. Arahant Member
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Now, let’s talk about the issue that really differentiates the men from the boys. Justification. It appears to me that all of your justification is on the left. Now, on a site like Ricochet, I could understand if the justification were on the right. But look at all of you. On the other hand, when I write something, it is always fully-justified.

    I believe in ragged right margins.

    I think that if I had to go with either right or left that I would much prefer to see the right margin solid and the left in ragged disarray. Let the right be hard and strong and the left dealing with the price of their anarchistic followers and attempts to destroy the institutions that have kept out civilization upon a firm foundation.

    Yeah, yeah. Always with the left-handed prejudice, Moriarty.

    I would think that being left-handed, right margin alignment would be better for you.

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