David French vs. Jack Dunphy on the Stephon Clark Shooting

 

Over at National Review Online this week, I’ve been involved in a polite but pointed debate with David French over the Stephon Clark police shooting in Sacramento.  On March 29, Mr. French wrote a column in which he called the incident “deeply disturbing and problematic.”  Among my objections to Mr. French’s piece was his assertion that police officers consider the “background level of risk” in a situation before deciding on a course of action.  “According to the City of Sacramento,” he wrote, “it’s been almost 20 years since a cop was shot and killed in the line of duty.”

I found it astounding that Mr. French would have that expectation of police officers, and said so in a March 30 post at NRO’s “The Corner.”  Mr. French responded to me in an April 4 piece on NR, to which I replied yesterday.

In criticizing the officers who shot Clark, Mr. French draws on his experience as an Army JAG officer in Iraq, where he sometimes accompanied combat patrols, during which he “experienced tense situations where you didn’t know whether to shoot or hold fire.”

As I make clear in my responses to Mr. French, I have the highest respect for his service in the Army and for his talent as a writer.  But while I respect his service, I don’t believe it necessarily confers on him expertise in civilian law enforcement.  A military patrol, after all, may unexpectedly come under enemy fire, but soldiers do not engage in foot pursuits of lawbreakers whose dangers are not immediately discernible.  But if one is willing to accept that Mr. French’s year in Iraq gives him insight into police work, I ask you give according weight to the 30-plus years I spent with the Los Angeles Police Department.

I won’t rehash the entire debate here, but I invite you to read Mr. French’s pieces and mine, then submit your comments below.  I’m always enlightened by the thoughts of the Ricochet community, and I thank you in advance.  And in case you missed it, our own Robert C.J. Parry (@robertcjparry), who served as an Army infantry officer in Iraq and Afghanistan, wrote his own response to Mr. French’s first column, which you can read here.

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  1. Doug Watt Member
    Doug Watt
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    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    Blondie (View Comment):

    @dougwatt, thank you for comment #10. I have not taken the time to research this story, but did see the helicopter footage taken that night. My first thought was, he didn’t start out in granny’s yard. My next thought was, wonder if the break ins have stopped. I know that sounds harsh, but was this “their guy”? I’m not saying that makes it open season to fire, but let’s not act like he’s all sweetness and light, either. Again, thanks for the link. I just had a feeling there was more to this story than he was playing in granny’s backyard when the bad ole policemen came in guns a blazing.

    Unless the police were aware of Clark’s background as they approached him, I don’t see how it’s relevant to the discussion as to whether the protocol in these situations should be re-examined.

    Otherwise what’s the point of bringing it up? Is it just to comfort yourself by saying, “See it was just one of those thugs that got himself killed. No need for me to be upset.”?

    Nice of you to say his past doesn’t make it “open season” to shoot him, but it sure sounds like you do think it means you don’t have to care about it much.

    I don’t think the police officers are guilty of any crime here. I do think the case warrants an examination of their practices and procedures.

    The high horse that many on this site get up on when it comes to victims of these things is troubling. If you think there are no circumstances under which you could find yourself losing your mind and getting confronted by police, you’re wrong. As I mentioned in another thread, I work with accused criminals daily. The difference between you and them, how they ended up the way they are, and how you ended up the way you are is, I promise you, uncomfortably thin.

    His criminal background may speak as to why he would resist, and the level of resistance, and disobeying the commands. He had prior encounters with police, and arrests and survived those encounters. Prior charges and convictions for pimping, and robbery indicate a history of violent behavior.
    Regardless of a courts decision to offer him a plea deal to reduce his charges that does not lessen the fact that robbery is a crime that involves violence, or the threat of violence, and pimping is no different.
    There is nothing wrong with police revealing his prior criminal convictions to counter the narrative that he was a wonderful person, or his behavior on the night in question. Wonderful people don’t try to break into vehicles, or homes. Wonderful people are at home watching a television they paid for, and drinking beer that they didn’t steal.
    Yes I’m a cynic.

     

     

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  2. TBA Coolidge
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    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

     

    Nice of you to say his past doesn’t make it “open season” to shoot him, but it sure sounds like you do think it means you don’t have to care about it much.

    I don’t care about it much when I find out that the person killed was prior. I care about it in an academic sense. I would of course not sentence said person to death for being a criminal. I believe in justice and innocence until proven otherwise and all that jazz. 

    But if a scumbag works really, really hard to get himself killed and succeeds, I’m probably not going to rend my garment or do much ululating. 

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  3. TBA Coolidge
    TBA
    @RobtGilsdorf

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    The difference between you and [accused criminals], how they ended up the way they are, and how you ended up the way you are is, I promise you, uncomfortably thin.

    You’re probably right about this. 

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