This Is What Democracy Looks Like

 

The wolves have voted: The sheep are to become dinner. There’s a joke that goes “What’s the difference between South Africa and Zimbabwe? About 10 years.” Turns out, it wasn’t a joke.

South Africa’s parliament on Tuesday passed a motion brought by the radical left party, Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF), to carry out land expropriation without compensation, a key pillar of the ruling ANC government and new President Cyril Ramaphosa.

The motion, which would include a review of the constitution, was brought by leader of the EFF Julius Malema and was passed by an overwhelming majority of 241 votes in favour versus 83 votes against the proposal.

The justification for the law is, of course, peace, justice, and equality.

“For a lasting peace‚ security and justice‚ land must be expropriated without compensation for equal redistribution. “

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  1. Mike-K Member
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    The Scarecrow (View Comment):

    Now downtrodden dude must suddenly become the racist, right? He’s proven that he’s one with the power now. It makes my head hurt.)

    Thomas Sowell commented on this. “I’m so old I remember when most racists were white.”

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  2. Curt North Inactive
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    I heard about this from a co-worker this morning and didn’t believe it.  Not even the radicals running South Africa these days would want to turn their country into Zimbabwe…right?  This is just depressing, if I were a white man living there I’d get my family out asap, no matter what level of fortune is lost, get your family out.  It’s not hard to predict the racial violence (already bad) will only escalate at this point, the racists have now been given a green light by the government.

    Can they not see what the end result will be here?  It’s just terrible that racial politics has been taken to this extreme.

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  3. Larry3435 Inactive
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    Stad (View Comment):

    Ekosj (View Comment):

    Aaron Miller (View Comment):
    Why was this proposed in South Africa but never in the US?

    Give it time. It’s on the way. That’s where the “white privilege” game is headed.

    Don’t think the reparations crowd, if they ever became the majority, wouldn’t seize all property owned by whites (except that of their liberal overlords).

    Not quite.  What the liberal overlords don’t get is that while they will come for them last, they will come.

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  4. RufusRJones Member
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    “You should certainly be aided by all the constitution-writing that has gone one since the end of World War II. I would not look to the US constitution, if I were drafting a constitution in the year 2012. I might look at the constitution of South Africa. That was a deliberate attempt to have a fundamental instrument of government that embraced basic human rights, had an independent judiciary… It really is, I think, a great piece of work that was done. Much more recent than the US constitution – Canada has a Charter of Rights and Freedoms. It dates from 1982. You would almost certainly look at the European Convention on Human Rights. Yes, why not take advantage of what there is elsewhere in the world?,” Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said in an interview with Al Hayat TV in Egypt. (h/t Hot Air, via MEMRI)

    Make politicized central planning  legal for peace and prosperity!

    The document is obviously crazy talk, if you have common sense and a normal sense of justice and fairness.

    Of course we have been doing this incrementally since Woodrow Wilson.

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  5. sawatdeeka Member
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    Mike-K (View Comment):
    It’s the story of Africa and the South African experience merely delayed it. Read Theodore Dalrymple’s essay, “After Empire.” It explains a lot.

    https://www.city-journal.org/html/after-empire-12420.html

    Thank you for this link.

    To my fellow Ricochet members: This article is wonderful reading. Dalrymple is a truly great writer.

    Yes, thank you. I’m printing it out to read later.

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  6. ToryWarWriter Coolidge
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    Game over man!  Game over!

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  7. Taras Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    “You should certainly be aided by all the constitution-writing that has gone one since the end of World War II. I would not look to the US constitution, if I were drafting a constitution in the year 2012. I might look at the constitution of South Africa. That was a deliberate attempt to have a fundamental instrument of government that embraced basic human rights, had an independent judiciary… It really is, I think, a great piece of work that was done. Much more recent than the US constitution – Canada has a Charter of Rights and Freedoms. It dates from 1982. You would almost certainly look at the European Convention on Human Rights. Yes, why not take advantage of what there is elsewhere in the world?,” Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said in an interview with Al Hayat TV in Egypt. (h/t Hot Air, via MEMRI)

    Make politicized central planning legal for peace and prosperity!

    The document is obviously crazy talk, if you have common sense and a normal sense of justice and fairness.

    Of course we have been doing this incrementally since Woodrow Wilson.

    For an amazingly bogus “fact check“ of the Ginsburg quote, see:
    http://www.politifact.com/georgia/statements/2012/feb/28/rick-santorum/santorum-supreme-court-justice-prefers-south-afric/

    The only thing that surprises me about South Africa is that it’s taking longer to go down the tubes than I expected. Possibly it’s because Nelson Mandela  had come to understand that South African whites represent irreplaceable human capital, and shouldn’t be driven away.

    Decades ago, I speculated that as long as the ANC had a monopoly on power, it would be able to pursue Mandela’s sensible course.   But once South African politics became competitive, then we would see black politicians competing as to who will loot the whites more.   Which is exactly what is happening here.

    From here on, the ride is all downhill.

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  8. RushBabe49 Thatcher
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    Ray’s accordion teacher and her husband are immigrants from South Africa.  They are now US citizens, and are thrilled to be so.

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  9. Eridemus Coolidge
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    @ Aaron Miller

    Or is it because even Americans full of resentment and envy tend to be more respectful of property rights than similar people in other nations?

    I think there is a variation here. I was on the facuty at a “minority” university (of course legally integrated at this point in history but which still attracted the same pattern of students due to loyalty developed over the years by parents, other relatives, teachers, etc. who graduated from it). Anyway the agriculture department had to “jazz up” its offerings and do active recruiting to stay viable, as high schoolers that would be freshmen had an aversion to the subject. There was a deep association with a part of American history combined with a prevalence for postwar urban living that had taken precedence over working on or even OVER the land. Also much that had been owned at one time had long been sold off (although sometimes there were grannies in small towns).

    What is on most young minds is not to correct a disparity in holding land but to secure lucrative jobs showcased by modern media and with which to buy condos, cars, etc. in the urban world. So it may have to do with whether agriculture itself has become advanced enough to feed a majority with a few highly technological and educated people equipped with  machines, which frees up everybody else (both the “privileged” and the “oppressed”) to pursue other things, that hasn’t happened in Africa. In developed countries, a differently focused envy is still latent for political massaging. We can see in street / drug gangs what level of respect exists for abstract private property rights.

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  10. Songwriter Inactive
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    Mike-K (View Comment):
    It’s the story of Africa and the South African experience merely delayed it. Read Theodore Dalrymple’s essay, “After Empire.” It explains a lot.

    https://www.city-journal.org/html/after-empire-12420.html

    Thx for the link. Terrific article from Dalrymple.

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  11. PFahrquar Inactive
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    “For a lasting peace‚ security and justice‚ land must be expropriated without compensation for equal redistribution. “

    Napoleon and Snowball from 1984 nod in approval.

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  12. Curt North Inactive
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    Songwriter (View Comment):

    Mike-K (View Comment):
    It’s the story of Africa and the South African experience merely delayed it. Read Theodore Dalrymple’s essay, “After Empire.” It explains a lot.

    https://www.city-journal.org/html/after-empire-12420.html

    Thx for the link. Terrific article from Dalrymple.

    Thanks for the link, prints out to 12 pages, all text, excellent!  Will dig into it later.

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  13. Daniel Brass Inactive
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    This is a scary development.  There is already a tremendous amount of under-reported racial violence there, it will only get worse with this.  I am afraid that we will see massacres and outright genocide soon.

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  14. dnewlander Inactive
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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

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    On a more serious note, I suppose this means the few white South Africans who haven’t already gotten out will soon be arriving in Sydney.

    Do the white South Africans prefer a common wealth country?

    My friends have said that Sydney’s a lot like Cape Town or Durban in terms of lifestyle and climate, except for the beach being on the wrong side. :)

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  15. Keith SF Inactive
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    dnewlander (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    dnewlander (View Comment):

    On a more serious note, I suppose this means the few white South Africans who haven’t already gotten out will soon be arriving in Sydney.

    Do the white South Africans prefer a common wealth country?

    My friends have said that Sydney’s a lot like Cape Town or Durban in terms of lifestyle and climate, except for the beach being on the wrong side. :)

    @henrycastaigne — yes, it’s much easier for South Africans to move to other countries within the commonwealth than move to, say, the US or the EU. Australia is popular because of it’s relative proximity and similar culture. White South Africans have been moving to Australia in fairly large numbers since the 1990s. I have several South African friends & acquaintances; it seems everyone you meet down there has an uncle or parent or cousin living in Sydney.

    @dnewlander — I haven’t been to Durban, but yes, Sydney and Cape Town are very similar. If I were to rate them solely by culture, lifestyle, cost of living, sheer physical beauty… I think I prefer Cape Town. But once I add things like personal safety and political stability to the mix, well… Sydney wins, hands down:-)

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  16. Kate Braestrup Member
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    It’s interesting to imagine who the refugees and huddled masses of the next few decades are going to be. At the moment, I’d be inclined to picture gays and lesbians from the Middle East (other than Israel), Jews, LGBTQ and women from Europe, plus people from South Africa who are either white and frightened, or black/brown and disinterested in living in a violent, racist, impoverished society.

    Won’t it be strange if Europe goes Muslim, but America gets “whiter” rather than “browner” and more rather than less Western-Culture-ish?

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  17. Mike-K Member
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    I have an internet friend in South Africa who is not concerned as she says her land was in her family for 350 years, and  before the Bantus came. I wish I was as confident.

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