Yes, Weinsteining Is Out of Hand

 

So this morning I was about to compose my brief, point-by-point summary of my Highly Unpopular Thesis (truly, I was), when the morning went horribly awry.  My friend Arun Kapil posted a link on Facebook to this article: “Is ‘Weinsteining’ Getting Out of Hand?”

“Our current discourse on sexual harassment,” wrote Cathy Young,

not only conflates predation with “low-level lechery” but generally reduces women to sexual innocents who must be shielded not only from sexual advances but from bawdy jokes. This did not begin with Weinstein or the #MeToo movement; however, the current moral panic is making the situation worse.

I “liked” the post and wrote, “Yes, this is getting out of control and is clearly a form of hysteria.” Meant to leave it at that. But then Facebook told me that people had replied to my comment. And I discovered that I hold another Highly Unpopular view, it seems. Among the comments: “Keep your hands and comments to yourself. That is the lesson to be learned and if people lose their jobs over it, tough [redacted].”

Another: “Well, people need to be very thoughtful and very careful when they say or do something personal. WT[redacted] is so hard about that? If you are so clueless that can’t tell when a particular behavior is welcome or unwelcome, you shouldn’t be allowed in the sandbox.”

I wound up writing a post-length reply that of course I should have just published here in the first place.  I’ll come back to my original Highly Unpopular Thesis tomorrow; today got spent defending this–apparently–Highly Unpopular view. I do think it’s an important issue, though.

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I am now in a position to destroy many men’s lives, careers, and reputations by saying, “He harassed me.” Many men have, over the course of my academic and professional career, behaved in a way that I found charmingly flirtatious — but which, if I described it as unwelcome, or traumatic, would meet contemporary definitions of “harassment.” This category is now so broad and vague as to compass “the typical flirtation that characterizes the interaction of men and women and brings joy and amusement to so many of our lives–but as it happens, in this case, I didn’t like it.”

I could now, on a whim, destroy the career of an Oxford don I recall who one drunken evening danced with me when I was an undergraduate, patted my bum, and slurred, “I’ve been dying to do this to Berlinski all term!” That is in fact what happened. I was amused and flattered. I thought nothing of it. But if I truthfully recounted the details of this event now, merely changing the words “flattered and amused” to “traumatized and terrified,” I would destroy his life. Even if the charge couldn’t be proven, legally, the accusation is now the punishment in itself. Do you doubt this? That I have the power to destroy his life, and the lives of literally hundreds of men who have flirted me over the years — co-workers, employers, men who in some way held a position of power over me — by accurately describing a flirtation or moment of impropriety, one that in fact I either enjoyed or brushed off as harmless, merely by adding the words, “I was traumatized by it?”

The definition of harassment is now entirely subjective: The things men and women very naturally do — flirt, play, desire, tease — become harassment only by virtue of the words, “I was traumatized by it.” The onus properly to understand the interaction and its emotional subtleties seems always to fall entirely on the man: He should have understood that his behavior wasn’t welcome. Why is understanding the complex eternal dance between men and women entirely his responsibility? Perhaps she should have understood that his behavior wasn’t harmful? Perhaps she should have understood that it was sweet, or clumsy — or perhaps that he genuinely believed it to be welcome?

[Arun’s friend] asks, “WT[redacted] is so hard about [figuring out whether an advance is welcome]?” Seriously? WT[redacted] is so hard about figuring out whether someone is attracted to you? Everything is so hard about it! The difficulty of ascertaining whether one’s passions are reciprocated is the theme of 90 percent of human literature and every romantic comedy or pop song ever written. We’re talking about the most complex of human emotions, the most powerful of human drives, and you say, “WT[redacted] is so hard about that?” Google “Is she attracted to me?” to see how desperate men are to figure this out.

It is not a healthy situation when I have the power to ruin men’s lives simply by changing the way I feel about a memory. This is a sign of cultural hysteria. Anyone who imagines men and women will cease to be attracted to each other — and to behave as if they were — in the workplace, or any other place, is delusional.

I think Leon Wieseltier’s often a windbag, but I would have read any journal he edited with interest; I am sorry I won’t have the chance. From what I’ve read of the alleged facts of the accusations against him — and remember, these are not facts as a court of law would view it, we do not know for sure that this is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth — it sounds as if Leon was a flirt. ‘The only problem with that dress is that it’s not tight enough,” he reportedly said. Countless men — some of them in a “position of power” over me — men who perhaps could have offered me work, or had offered me work — have said similar things to me. I literally thought nothing of it. I was amused. The comment sounds like the normal banter of men and women the world around.

At times, we have learned, when he was drunk, Leon made passes at co-workers. Who hasn’t? Seriously, who — in the real world — hasn’t been drunk and made a pass at a co-worker? But somehow from this we are to conclude that “Leon delighted in making young women sexually uncomfortable.” (Per the Atlantic.) Actually, we know no such thing from the facts as described: We know only that he was a flirt who made passes at his co-workers. These crimes are so unforgivable that without benefit of a trial his career must be destroyed; the accusation is itself the punishment — agonizing public humiliation, the exposure to the world of his human sexual foibles. I’m sure this makes him “uncomfortable” too — in fact, almost certainly more “uncomfortable” than any woman has a right to be under the circumstances described in these salacious articles.

Per the Atlantic: “One night most of the staff went out. Leon cornered me by the bathroom and kissed me. I clapped my hand over my mouth and he said, ‘I’ve always known you’d do that.’”

So?

What do we have here: A man kissed a woman. He said, “I’ve always known you’d do that.” We know nothing else about this. It is only the grave prose surrounding this description that makes this sound sinister: “Decidedly not a joke” … “I felt terrible afterwards.” The only thing that transforms this story from “a drunken kiss at a party” to “a crime worthy of lifetime banishment from the public square” are the words, “I felt terrible afterwards.” But surely what she felt should be less important than what happened? — and what happened, apparently, is that he kissed her. We do not know why she felt terrible. We do not even ask whether he felt terrible: It feels terrible to be rejected; so I reckon he probably did feel terrible. But this perfectly normal thing, this thing that happens between men and women all the time, and always will, has been pathologized beyond all reason.

Weinstein, allegedly, raped women. There is a universe of difference between rape and Leon’s alleged crimes. He was prone to “passing along a mundane bit of office gossip, suggesting it was a great secret, and telling me that if I ever revealed it to anyone, he’d “tell people we’re [redacted].” This, apparently, is unpardonable. Gossiping and using the word “[redacted].” Casual, vulgar banter — typical of the way men and women in New York really speak to each other each and every day.

If saying such things is now an unpardonable crime, we will all go to the gallows. Or we will all cease to be human.

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I’m really curious to know whether you agree. It’s just common sense, right? But some people seem to disagree with me strenuously. I mean, more than you guys disagree with me about Trump.

Do you guys agree with me about this?

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  1. Nick H Coolidge
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    Yes, a huge part of sexual harassment is just perception and is entirely subjective. As has been observed many times, if the guy in the (horrible) 50 Shades books was anything other than a hot billionaire, he’d have been in prison before the end of the first book. I tend to think attractiveness matters on the receiving end as well (your experiences support this theory), but it may be that confidence is what makes the difference.

    But I will quibble and say that it’s not all subjective. As I mentioned on one of the other threads on this topic recently, my wife used to work with a guy who made the sexual harassers in the workplace training videos look like gentlemen. Sure there’s a big gray area between clear harassment (much less rape or assault) and proper behavior, but I think there’s a lot of benefit in both men and women working to stay clearly out of that gray area in a workplace.

    As it stands now, I see there’s more and more distrust between men and women, and that’s only going to lead to more problems. Men will find reasons to avoid working with women, and that’s going to lead to even more trouble. Some of us have been pointing this out for years, and it’s not particularly satisfying to see our predictions coming true.

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  2. MarciN Member
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    Nick H (View Comment):
    As it stands now, I see there’s more and more distrust between men and women, and that’s only going to lead to more problems.

    And that will get even more complicated as the numbers of gay and transgender people rise.

    Eventually we’ll have to resort to test tubes for reproduction. :)

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  3. Ansonia Member
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    It seems to me at least 3 kinds of bullying are related, and related to sex . All are symptoms of our loss of respect for human liberty, which is itself a symptom of our new and diminished view of what a human being is. The 3 kinds of bullying I’m thinking of are

    (1) Sexual extortion (I think you’ll only have more of it if the friendship between the sexes decreases. And certainly gays and lesbians can be bullies too.)

    (2) Sexual moral outlook extortion (I’m thinking of the rich, progressive couple who simply must have their gay-themed-decorated, special-day cake be the extorted labor of a devout Catholic or Fundamentalist Protestant Christian.)

    (3) Sexual moral outlook harassment (I’m thinking of, say, Christian parents having to deal with the “education” in various health classes in which kids as young as 11 are taught about all kinds of sexual practices—in a supposedly morally neutral way that actually has the effect of normalizing these behaviors. So, is not, in fact, morally neutral.—even though they’re not even old enough yet to understand their parents moral outlook.)

    (It’s suddenly standing out to me that the F-word is often used to mean harass, attack or bully, or defeat. Also, with SkipSul’s post about kids and courting, or pre-courting, behaviors in mind: mix up and confuse.)

    I’m thinking we can’t genuinely do much about any of these forms of bullying without talking about what we mean by liberty, and without talking about our view of what a human being is. Klavan is right: the sexual and the spiritual are very tied together.

    SkipSul, your October 20th post (link in comment # 85) is excellent.

     

     

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  4. M1919A4 Member
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    Miss Claire, you did a great service to the membership in your choice of topics, your initial presentation, and your occasional interjections to keep the discussion on track.  You can see from the many and thoughtful responses that it is something about which there is considerable interest.

    It is sad to me that there is apparently so much aggrandizement of a sexual nature in the workplace today, but after seeing what passses for entertainment in the picture shows and on television, I suppose that it is not surprising.  Becky Sharp and Scarlett O’Hara are alive and well as are plenty of men who collect young ladies as if they were objects.

    Like many on this thread, I have felt lately, reading the daily news for the latest casualty list, that I am observing the Terror reborn.  All we need is the lady with the needles and the basket of knitting to complete the picture.

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  5. Duane Oyen Member
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    Hooray, Claire.  I can honestly say that I have never gotten drunk and made a pass at anyone, perhaps that is because I have never liked the taste of booze.  But, I admit to being a normal male, and thus tempted to flirt, despite the fact that Rubber Duckie was, and still is (44 years later) worthy of my exclusive attention for all time, and I am lucky to still have the opportunity to devote such exclusive attention.

    But who wouldn’t be inclined to be flirtatious toward Claire?  No one should have his life ruined because of such an overpowering inclination.

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  6. She Member
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    M1919A4 (View Comment):
    Miss Claire, you did a great service to the membership in your choice of topics, your initial presentation, and your occasional interjections to keep the discussion on track. You can see from the many and thoughtful responses that it is something about which there is considerable interest.

    It is sad to me that there is apparently so much aggrandizement of a sexual nature in the workplace today, but after seeing what passses for entertainment in the picture shows and on television, I suppose that it is not surprising. Becky Sharp and Scarlett O’Hara are alive and well as are plenty of men who collect young ladies as if they were objects.

    Like many on this thread, I have felt lately, reading the daily news for the latest casualty list, that I am observing the Terror reborn. All we need is the lady with the needles and the basket of knitting to complete the picture.

    Here you go:

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