Boy Scouts to Admit Girls. Sigh.

 

As announced today, the 100-year-old organization will allow begin allowing girls into scouting. As a parent and former Eagle Scout, I can think of a hundred reasons why this is a lousy idea. Here are the first few that come to mind.

  1. Overnight co-ed camping trips.
  2. Overnight co-ed camping trips with adults.
  3. The Girl Scouts have a nice thing going.
  4. Modifying traditional scouting activities because girls won’t do that.
  5. Modifying traditional scouting activities because boys want to do that.
  6. Like co-ed dorms, girls don’t civilize the boys. Quite the reverse.
  7. This appears to be a push by BSA leadership to expand membership — so yet another non-profit abandons its mission to support growth goals and keep grown-ups employed.
  8. It will increase pressure on Girl Scout troops to shut down/merge
  9. One more duck peck in the effort to convince the nation that there is nothing different between boys and girls
  10. Yet another non-profit that abandons its core mission to try and be a social services agency
  11. It basically implies that the Boys Scouts are better, and that real scouts are in that organization, not Girl Scouts.
  12. It implies there is nothing positive about all-girl activities
  13. Or all boy activities
  14. Dating Merit badge?
  15. How about That’s Not Funny Merit badge?
  16. He Said-She Said Merit Badge?
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  1. Nick H Coolidge
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    MarciN (View Comment):
    What annoyed me was that the national council really depended on the cute little first graders’ selling the cookies, but the council gave very little back. It was really the Brownie troops who made all the money for the national council.

    It is a scientific fact that it is impossible to say “No” to a little girl selling cookies. Well, impossible for me anyway.

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  2. Arahant Member
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    Nick H (View Comment):
    It is a scientific fact that it is impossible to say “No” to a little girl selling cookies. Well, impossible for me anyway.

    Impossible for my wife, too. I have no problem with it, though.

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  3. Kate Braestrup Member
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    @GrannyDude

    Wolverine (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):
    Just to throw this out there: one thing the Boy Scout leaders were upset about when I was a Brownie leader was that there troops were made up of a lot kids who did not have a dad. The mothers and the local social workers were looking to Boy Scouts to provide a male role model for many boys who did not have one. It was hard on the Boy Scout leaders because this particular group of kids did not come with dads who could help with the troops activities. It was also somewhat emotionally draining.

    That said, where else some of these kids, in female-dominated elementary and middle schools, would have had such an experience is hard to say.

    The Boy Scouts helped a lot of young boys find their feet, so to speak.

    That happened in one of our Dens where a single mom was looking for male mentoring for her autistic son. The problem was the dads and Den leaders were too tied up with their own sons to offer her much help. I have noticed over the last few years as a side note that Scouts is attracting more special needs boys and boys from homes without fathers.

    I’ll admit, my first thought was of the two sons of a single-mother-by-choice…

    • #93
  4. YouCantMeanThat Coolidge
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    @michaeleschmidt

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Did they include the words “at least for now” at the end?

    No. And neither will I choose to assume the worst. I will wait and see how it is implemented.

    Me too. The rush to see this as negative as possible is telling of something.

    (If the identity of “something” was elucidated in any meaningful way. I missed it. Could you provide enlightenment or the number of the previous comment that I missed? The real question, though…)

    Could you provide just one instance in which the PC/progressive camel insinuating its nose into the tent was not followed by the rest of the camel?

    Thank you.

    • #94
  5. Randy Webster Inactive
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    @RandyWebster

    Nick H (View Comment):
    Definitely some mixed feelings in this Eagle Scout. On the one hand, @marcin and @katebraestrup are very right about how different boys and girls learn and compete, especially at a young age. I know I learned a lot in Scouts, but I wonder if I would have had the same experience in a co-ed environment. Knowing how I was around girls at that age, I doubt it. On the other hand, I have daughters that I’d like to see learning those same lessons, and the GSA seems to have some real issues. (Really good cookies though.) There seems to be a need for a new Girl Scout organization that has the Boy Scout values.

    I quit buying girl scout cookies when Patricia Ireland became president, or whatever the head girl scout is called.

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  6. MarciN Member
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    @MarciN

    I was a force for good with my kids. Our most important rule was to always leave a place better than when we arrived.

    And we did. We cleaned up a lot of the local hiking trails and beaches. We planted trees and flowers. And we always left places as clean as we could.

    Mostly we laughed a lot and continuously. We had a lot of fun doing good things.

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  7. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    @BryanGStephens

    YouCantMeanThat (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Did they include the words “at least for now” at the end?

    No. And neither will I choose to assume the worst. I will wait and see how it is implemented.

    Me too. The rush to see this as negative as possible is telling of something.

    (If the identity of “something” was elucidated in any meaningful way. I missed it. Could you provide enlightenment or the number of the previous comment that I missed? The real question, though…)

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    It is telling of the fact that every change is seen as a loss in the culture wars. I don’t agree.

    My opinion was specifically requested, so yall have it. Since none of us can predict the future, I am not going to defend my opinion against hypotheticals.

     

    Could you provide just one instance in which the PC/progressive camel insinuating its nose into the tent was not followed by the rest of the camel?

    Thank you.

    I don’t see this is a PC/progressive camel. I have wanted this for years. So, when people insist on treating it only as a PC issue, then the only valid conclusion I can make that since I am for this, I must, by definition, be only interested in being PC.

     

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  8. Arahant Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    I don’t see this is a PC/progressive camel. I have wanted this for years. So, when people insist on treating it only as a PC issue, then the only valid conclusion I can make that since I am for this, I must, by definition, be only interested in being PC.

    And we know that’s not true. ;^D

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  9. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    I don’t see this is a PC/progressive camel. I have wanted this for years. So, when people insist on treating it only as a PC issue, then the only valid conclusion I can make that since I am for this, I must, by definition, be only interested in being PC.

    And we know that’s not true. ;^D

    Lol.  I’ve seen him fight with Frank Soto.

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  10. Kozak Member
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    Will they sell cookies?

    • #100
  11. Kozak Member
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    Midget Faded Rattlesnake (View Comment):

    Majestyk (View Comment):

    ctlaw (View Comment):

    FightinInPhilly: Dating Merit badge?

    Abortion merit badge?

    Wilderness ad hoc contraception merit badge.

    What, an acorn between the knees?

    Doesn’t work any better then aspirin. Use your imagination.

    • #101
  12. Kozak Member
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    @Kozak

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    I see this as being able to bring values long taught to boys to girls.

    I fear it will lead to boys being taught the values long taught to girls.  See what’s happened in our schools.

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  13. Kozak Member
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    @Kozak

    Justin Hertog (View Comment):
    Don’t know if someone already asked, but can boys now become Girl Scouts?

    They just need to self identify as a girl and it’s all good.

    • #103
  14. GLDIII Reagan
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    @GLDIII

    Kate Braestrup (View Comment):

    Wolverine (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):
    Just to throw this out there: one thing the Boy Scout leaders were upset about when I was a Brownie leader was that there troops were made up of a lot kids who did not have a dad. The mothers and the local social workers were looking to Boy Scouts to provide a male role model for many boys who did not have one. It was hard on the Boy Scout leaders because this particular group of kids did not come with dads who could help with the troops activities. It was also somewhat emotionally draining.

    That said, where else some of these kids, in female-dominated elementary and middle schools, would have had such an experience is hard to say.

    The Boy Scouts helped a lot of young boys find their feet, so to speak.

    That happened in one of our Dens where a single mom was looking for male mentoring for her autistic son. The problem was the dads and Den leaders were too tied up with their own sons to offer her much help. I have noticed over the last few years as a side note that Scouts is attracting more special needs boys and boys from homes without fathers.

    I’ll admit, my first thought was of the two sons of a single-mother-by-choice…

    Two of my Eagle Mentor Pins (i.e. sole choice to award those is base on the Eagle Scouts personal reflection and is done during the ceremony) are from boy’s with non existent fathers. It part of the gig, and I am very proud (and was very surprised) that I could make that strong of an impression on those young men.

    Fingers crossed, both are good citizens so far.

    • #104
  15. Stina Inactive
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    @CM

    Kozak (View Comment):

    Midget Faded Rattlesnake (View Comment):

    Majestyk (View Comment):

    ctlaw (View Comment):

    FightinInPhilly: Dating Merit badge?

    Abortion merit badge?

    Wilderness ad hoc contraception merit badge.

    What, an acorn between the knees?

    Doesn’t work any better then aspirin. Use your imagination.

    Squirrels?

    • #105
  16. Rocket Surgeon Inactive
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    @RocketSurgeon

    RushBabe49 (View Comment):
    If the “Boy” Scouts are going to admit girls, what are they going to call themselves? Boy Scouts no longer works.

    ThemScouts?

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  17. Randy Webster Inactive
    Randy Webster
    @RandyWebster

    Rocket Surgeon (View Comment):

    RushBabe49 (View Comment):
    If the “Boy” Scouts are going to admit girls, what are they going to call themselves? Boy Scouts no longer works.

    ThemScouts?

    Theyscouts

    • #107
  18. Gossamer Cat Coolidge
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):
    Randy Webster

    Rocket Surgeon (View Comment):

    RushBabe49 (View Comment):
    If the “Boy” Scouts are going to admit girls, what are they going to call themselves? Boy Scouts no longer works.

    ThemScouts?

    Theyscouts

    ZeScouts

    • #108
  19. The Cloaked Gaijin Member
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    Kozak (View Comment):
    Will they sell cookies?

     

    • #109
  20. Robert McReynolds Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    It is telling of the fact that every change is seen as a loss in the culture wars. I don’t agree.

    My opinion was specifically requested, so yall have it. Since none of us can predict the future, I am not going to defend my opinion against hypotheticals.

    Maybe this change wouldn’t be viewed negatively had there not been the blatant capitulation to the homosexual crowd. Again, the Scouts will not count my boy as a member of their ranks.

    • #110
  21. Wolverine Inactive
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    @Wolverine

    How much of this as well has to do with the covetedEagle Scout? NOW apparently pressured the BSA on allowing girls in, and given how much prestige attaches to Eagle Scout, maybe NOW thought it “unfair” that only boys could get it.

    • #111
  22. Stina Inactive
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    @CM

    Wolverine (View Comment):
    How much of this as well has to do with the covetedEagle Scout? NOW apparently pressured the BSA on allowing girls in, and given how much prestige attaches to Eagle Scout, maybe NOW thought it “unfair” that only boys could get it.

    Nightingale is better. I want to be a Nightingale when I grow up.

    • #112
  23. YouCantMeanThat Coolidge
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    @michaeleschmidt

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    (If the identity of “something” was elucidated in any meaningful way. I missed it. Could you provide enlightenment or the number of the previous comment that I missed? The real question, though…)

    You have not identified the “something,” though I suspect its identity…

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    It is telling of the fact that every change is seen as a loss in the culture wars. I don’t agree.

    My opinion was specifically requested, so yall have it. Since none of us can predict the future, I am not going to defend my opinion against hypotheticals.

    Could you provide just one instance in which the PC/progressive camel insinuating its nose into the tent was not followed by the rest of the camel?

    Thank you.

    I don’t see this is a PC/progressive camel. I have wanted this for years. So, when people insist on treating it only as a PC issue, then the only valid conclusion I can make that since I am for this, I must, by definition, be only interested in being PC.

    (My first reaction was to dig further and to ask for the identity of a change (definition as implied by topics herein) that has not been a loss in the culture wars. And I still think it a worthy question…)

    To the present: You have wanted [this] for years?  Taking [this] to be androgynizing the Boy Scouts? Well, some might see that as the very definition of PC/progressive, and that’s the least of it, frankly. Altering the last remaining (though tottering) large-scale male-only organization to your specification. If the Boy Scouts go (most likely a dine deal, sadly), they’ll never be replaced. Which, I suppose, would be ok… but the (formerly) Boys Clubs, the YMCA (back when the M (or the C) actually meant anything, not to mention most, if not all, of the US military, vanished years ago as alternatives for everyone else; if there are any others, I’d be pleased to hear them.

    (This androgynizing everything could have existential consequences, but that’s a topic for another day.)

    • #113
  24. Midget Faded Rattlesnake Member
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    Midget Faded Rattlesnake (View Comment):

    Majestyk (View Comment):

    ctlaw (View Comment):

    FightinInPhilly: Dating Merit badge?

    Abortion merit badge?

    Wilderness ad hoc contraception merit badge.

    What, an acorn between the knees?

    Doesn’t work any better then aspirin. Use your imagination.

    Huh. Acorns between the knees worked very well for me, despite my being in Girl Scouts after conservatives started worrying about it. The local troop can make a big difference.

    • #114
  25. CarolJoy Coolidge
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    Wolverine (View Comment):

    TheRoyalFamily (View Comment):
    Girl Scouts is really peeved about this. For some reason they think this is a direct threat to them. Why would this be so? It’s not like Boy Scouts has a century or so of knowing what girls want, and what girls need.

    But seriously, it’s been my experience that the kind of things that appeal to boys also mostly appeal to girls, if not necessarily the same amount, but that the other way around is not true.

    Interesting as I had same thought. How often do you see boys wants to join an all-female organization? Rarely, while other way around is frequent.

    Oh c’mon! Half the guys I knew growing up considered themselves to be Girl Scouts by the time they were 16. For the rest, it was age 17.

    • #115
  26. Arahant Member
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    CarolJoy (View Comment):
    Half the guys I knew growing up considered themselves to be Girl Scouts by the time they were 16. For the rest, it was age 17.

    I don’t believe that should be capitalized. That’s an avocation, not a formal organization.

    • #116
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