This Doesn’t Look Good

 

Almost a week ago, Catalonia held a referendum to separate from the Spanish state. Madrid declared this referendum illegal and sent police in to try to stop it by interfering with the voting and seizing ballots. There appears to be overwhelming support for independence. Unlike some other separatist movements (e.g., Scotland), this one is going to stick: maybe not right away but soon.

Regardless of the merits of the Catalan case, the optics here are terrible. Take it from an optical physicist.

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  1. Doctor Robert Member
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    This is no surprise.  The EU is an un-elected bureaucracy that serves its own needs, not those of the citizens of Europe. Authoritarianism and repression are inevitable in the EU.

    ¡¡Viva “Junts per Si”!!

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  2. ctlaw Coolidge
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    Here’s my solution.

    President Trump should announce that he supports Catalan independence. But to make up for the loss of 8 million Catalans and boost Spain’s position in the EU, President Trump will airlift to Spain 12 million of our Latin American illegal aliens.

    They can fill up all the Spanish ghost towns. Presumably, things will be much easier for them in Spain than in the US due to the lack of language barrier and the superiority of European governance.

    If the Europeans or the American left deny how beneficial this would be for both Spain and the illegals, they would have to admit to the lies they’ve told us for decades.

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  3. Sabrdance Member
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    ModEcon (View Comment):

    Al Sparks (View Comment):

    ModEcon (View Comment):
    First off, states can leave legally by votes in congress and/or state convention, I forget which. So, yes, states can leave, it is just really difficult under current law.

     

     

    Think about it this way as well. If the United States was attacked, could we by treaty surrender a state to another country? If so, could we not also surrender a state to another country formed by the people of that state?

    Probably not.  Article 4, section 4 -protected from invasion.  Congress has an affirmative duty to protect the states from invasion, so it probably can’t offer one to another country.  That would be like NATO refusing to obey Article 5 for the invasion of Poland.

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  4. Doctor Robert Member
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    @DoctorRobert

    ctlaw (View Comment):
    Here’s my solution.

    President Trump should announce that he supports Catalan independence. But to make up for the loss of 8 million Catalans and boost Spain’s position in the EU, President Trump will airlift to Spain 12 million of our Latin American illegal aliens.

    They can fill up all the Spanish ghost towns. Presumably, things will be much easier for them in Spain than in the US due to the lack of language barrier and the superiority of European governance.

    If the Europeans or the American left deny how beneficial this would be for both Spain and the illegals, they would have to admit to the lies they’ve told us for decades.

    You, ctlaw, are a brilliant thinker.

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