Here We Go Again

 

Heard on the news today as I was leaving town, and as reported by Daily Signal, this is a family-run orchard that I used to take my kids to in the fall to gather fruit and drink apple cider:

A farmers market and Facebook posts have opened a new front in courtroom battles over religious freedom.

It started when Steve Tennes, who owns a 120-acre farm in Charlotte, Michigan, expressed his traditional view about marriage on the farm’s Facebook page.

This drew a warning from an official more than 20 miles away in East Lansing, Michigan, that if Tennes tried to sell his fruit at the city’s farmers market, it could incite protests.

No one showed up to protest that August day last summer, though, and Tennes continued selling organic apples, peaches, cherries, and pumpkins at the seasonal market until October, as he had done the six previous years.

Nevertheless, East Lansing moved earlier this year to ban Tennes’ farm, the Country Mill, from participating in the farmers market when it resumes June 4. The city cited its human relations ordinance, an anti-discrimination law that includes sexual orientation.

So Tennes and his wife sued the city for religious discrimination.

As a Marine veteran who is married to an Army veteran, Tennes told The Daily Signal, this was consistent with his philosophy of defending freedom:

“My wife Bridget and I volunteered to serve our country in the military to protect freedom, and that is why we feel we have to fight for freedom now, whether it’s Muslims’, Jews’, or Christians’ right to believe and live out those beliefs.

“The government shouldn’t be treating some people worse than others because they have different thoughts and ideas.”

In 2014, the Tennes turned down a lesbian couple requesting the orchard for a marriage ceremony, but referred them to another orchard that accommodated them in 2015. They discontinued marriages at their orchard, but recently resumed as a wedding venue. The farm is 22 miles away from East Lansing, and the Tennes are suing because they fall outside the Jurisdiction of the city. It would be interesting to find out if the city routinely applies virtue testing to all vendors.

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  1. Pilli Inactive
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    Percival (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):
    Arahant, straighten those people out.

    The first venue we checked out for our reception was a cider mill. Of course, we were getting married in a church. On the other hand, we were also marrying in December, so out in an orchard would not have been very smart.

    In the spring, on the other hand, with the orchards in bloom? Or in the autumn with the smell of the nearly ripe apples permeating the air or the smells of the nearby cider mill, including the frying doughnuts? Delightful place to get married.

    Bah. Starting one’s life journey together? The romance of the open road? Clearly the best venue for a marriage is at a truckstop. And truck drivers are like ship captains; you can get one of them to perform the ceremony.

    Marriages performed by truck drivers are good for the duration of the trip to the next truck stop only.

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  2. DrewInWisconsin Member
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    Rightfromthestart (View Comment):

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    Find out who the East Lansing official is and destroy her. She is an enemy of freedom.

    We need to stop giving these people any quarter. No accommodations. Let them know that these violations of the constitution will not stand.

    Bring back tar and feathers.

    This, I believe, is the basis for the current dispute between Dennis Prager and Jonah Goldberg.

    I have (happily) been ignoring these things. Can you summarize the dispute?

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  3. Arahant Member
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    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):
    I have (happily) been ignoring these things. Can you summarize the dispute?

    Prager: It’s a true civil war. Get in line to support the general (Trump) we have to save our civilization.

    Goldberg: It’s only a culture war. We don’t have to get in line.

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  4. DrewInWisconsin Member
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):
    I have (happily) been ignoring these things. Can you summarize the dispute?

    Prager: It’s a true civil war. Get in line to support the general (Trump) we have to save our civilization.

    Goldberg: It’s only a culture war. We don’t have to get in line.

    I don’t think one necessarily has to “get in line to support the general” to fight this civil war. I’m not even sure he’ll always be on the right side. But it’s definitely a civil war, albeit a cold one with occasional outbreaks of “hot war.”

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  5. Western Chauvinist Member
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    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):
    I have (happily) been ignoring these things. Can you summarize the dispute?

    Prager: It’s a true civil war. Get in line to support the general (Trump) we have to save our civilization.

    Goldberg: It’s only a culture war. We don’t have to get in line.

    I don’t think one necessarily has to “get in line to support the general” to fight this civil war. I’m not even sure he’ll always be on the right side. But it’s definitely a civil war, albeit a cold one with occasional outbreaks of “hot war.”

    I would refine Prager’s position a little. It’s not so much “get in line” as, “stop firing at our general and concentrate fire on the enemy!”

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  6. Percival Thatcher
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):
    I have (happily) been ignoring these things. Can you summarize the dispute?

    Prager: It’s a true civil war. Get in line to support the general (Trump) we have to save our civilization.

    Goldberg: It’s only a culture war. We don’t have to get in line.

    I don’t think one necessarily has to “get in line to support the general” to fight this civil war. I’m not even sure he’ll always be on the right side. But it’s definitely a civil war, albeit a cold one with occasional outbreaks of “hot war.”

    I would refine Prager’s position a little. It’s not so much “get in line” as, “stop firing at our general and concentrate fire on the enemy!”

    There’s something to that, but even Abraham Lincoln had a Union sergeant bark at him “get your head down, you damn fool” when he was touring a battlefield. Not only does Trump not pull his head down, he stands on the parapet waving a flag.

    Trump makes the “damn fool” appellation fit too often.

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  7. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Percival (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):
    I have (happily) been ignoring these things. Can you summarize the dispute?

    Prager: It’s a true civil war. Get in line to support the general (Trump) we have to save our civilization.

    Goldberg: It’s only a culture war. We don’t have to get in line.

    I don’t think one necessarily has to “get in line to support the general” to fight this civil war. I’m not even sure he’ll always be on the right side. But it’s definitely a civil war, albeit a cold one with occasional outbreaks of “hot war.”

    I would refine Prager’s position a little. It’s not so much “get in line” as, “stop firing at our general and concentrate fire on the enemy!”

    There’s something to that, but even Abraham Lincoln had a Union sergeant bark at him “get your head down, you damn fool” when he was touring a battlefield. Not only does Trump not pull his head down, he stands on the parapet waving a flag.

    Refreshing, innit? ;-)

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  8. Percival Thatcher
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):
    I have (happily) been ignoring these things. Can you summarize the dispute?

    Prager: It’s a true civil war. Get in line to support the general (Trump) we have to save our civilization.

    Goldberg: It’s only a culture war. We don’t have to get in line.

    I don’t think one necessarily has to “get in line to support the general” to fight this civil war. I’m not even sure he’ll always be on the right side. But it’s definitely a civil war, albeit a cold one with occasional outbreaks of “hot war.”

    I would refine Prager’s position a little. It’s not so much “get in line” as, “stop firing at our general and concentrate fire on the enemy!”

    There’s something to that, but even Abraham Lincoln had a Union sergeant bark at him “get your head down, you damn fool” when he was touring a battlefield. Not only does Trump not pull his head down, he stands on the parapet waving a flag.

    Refreshing, innit? ?

    More like nerve wracking.

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  9. DrewInWisconsin Member
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    Whoops. Wrong Thread.

    Don’t you hate it when you have multiple tabs open and you think you’re in one part of Ricochet when you’re really in another?

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  10. Umbra Fractus Inactive
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    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    I have (happily) been ignoring these things. Can you summarize the dispute?

    Prager seems to think incidents like this mean we’re not allowed to say anything negative about dear leader the President.

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  11. Mate De Inactive
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    These leftist are literally biting the hand that feeds them. Shutting down an organic apple farmer? Considering that most of the city dwelling leftist wouldn’t know how to plant an organic apple orchard if their life depended on it, perhaps they should think twice about trying to shut down a farmer because they are religious, because if they keep going down that road they may end up hungry.

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