Why Are You a “Climate Skeptic?”

 

Last week, The New York Times hired former Wall Street Journal columnist Bret Stephens to add a little ideological diversity. Granted, Stephens is a Never Trumper, but it was an effort to provide some center-right thought to an opinion page almost entirely devoted to center-left and far-left viewpoints.

Stephens’s first piece for the paper had liberals cancelling subscriptions and calling for his job. His crime wasn’t to sanction genocide or the re-institution of slavery. He merely said that, though he believes in man-made climate change, we should have more humility before pretending to have all the answers.

“Claiming total certainty about the science traduces the spirit of science,” Stephens wrote, adding, “censoriously asserting one’s moral superiority and treating skeptics as imbeciles and deplorables wins few converts.”

In my weekend op-ed for the local paper, I explained why I’m a skeptic on environmental apocalypse narratives:

I blame my first-grade teacher. She handed us maps showing how the pollution-caused ice age would bury our Chicago suburb under a massive glacier. My mom, ever the pragmatist, assured me I wouldn’t die since we were moving to Phoenix that summer.

After a childhood expecting to see polar bears chasing Cubs around Wrigley Field, in my late teens I was told to forget that ice age nonsense. The Ozone Hole would give all of us cancer.

Then imagine my 20-something shock to watch politicians trip over their aerosol empties to tell me global warming would chase me back out of Arizona, maybe to that glacier-free Chicago suburb.

Global warming gave way to the short-lived “global weirding” then to the endlessly malleable climate change. In the process, I lost the ability to panic. Throughout my life, the most extreme climate alarmists have been more wrong than right, at least after their more nuanced research was spun by politicians greedy for votes and dollars.

I’m 50 years old, so those of you in my age bracket might have had a similar experience with environmental hysteria. My question for all of you is in two parts:

  • If you believe in man-made climate change, especially of the apocalyptic variety, what convinced you of that?
  • If you are skeptical of the issue, what made you think that way?
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  1. Matt Balzer Member
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    Cato Rand (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    Chuckles (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    Hey, we broke a nearly 100-year-old record low for this date! And I think we’re going to break those records for the next two days as well. Also, the lowest high temperature on record! Whee!

    Can I have some o’ dat global warming pleez?

    But NOAA still says this has been a very warm, mild winter.

    They always say that. Every winter is the “warmest winter on record!” Every year is the “hottest year on record!” Anyone who challenges this notion is instantly swarmed by a cabal of Warmists, Snopes-lickers, Factoid checkers, and everyone to the left of George W.

    They are fully invested in the notion that climate change goes only one way: hotter. They have been so entirely devoted to this premise that the slightest variation in data that might suggest they’re wrong must be denounced as a plot by Big Oil.

    When they are the record keepers, those records can be changed.

    You don’t understand. Global warming is so yesterday. The new man made global threat is global cooling. Our grandchildren are all going to be buried under glaciers. And it doesn’t really matter if it’s warming or cooling. The point is, all human life as we know it will end unless we give control of our resources and our economy to the UN and a swath our unelected virtue signaling Eurocrats! We’ll fill in the reasons later.

    I was going to write more in agreement, but I realized it’s basically the battle over control of the thermostat on a planetary scale.

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  2. Mark Wilson Inactive
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    Judge Mental (View Comment):
    No one makes the connection that we have done more to eliminate CO2 than other countries, and that that might have something to do with it.

    Sorry to throw cold water on this, but I have never heard anyone claim that CO2 warming is a local phenomenon.  There’s no reason to think the US increasing or reducing its CO2 emissions would affect the temperature in the US more than elsewhere.  The greenhouse mechanism is based on dispersion of the CO2 throughout the atmosphere.

     

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  3. Umbra of Nex, Fractus Inactive
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    Mark Wilson (View Comment):

    Sorry to throw cold water on this, but I have never heard anyone claim that CO2 warming is a local phenomenon. There’s no reason to think the US increasing or reducing its CO2 emissions would affect the temperature in the US more than elsewhere. The greenhouse mechanism is based on dispersion of the CO2 throughout the atmosphere.

     

    They’ll claim it eventually. Whatever is most effective at gaining greater control.

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  4. Judge Mental Member
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    Mark Wilson (View Comment):

    Judge Mental (View Comment):
    No one makes the connection that we have done more to eliminate CO2 than other countries, and that that might have something to do with it.

    Sorry to throw cold water on this, but I have never heard anyone claim that CO2 warming is a local phenomenon. There’s no reason to think the US increasing or reducing its CO2 emissions would affect the temperature in the US more than elsewhere. The greenhouse mechanism is based on dispersion of the CO2 throughout the atmosphere.

     

    First off, it was basically a troll, saying that if we do what they want, we’ll get an ice age, but seriously, CO2 dispersion is not instantaneous.  Areas that produce more will have a higher concentration, particularly as they continue to produce.

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  5. DrewInWisconsin Member
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    This project would get the Warmists really agitated.

    http://www.plantsneedco2.org

    https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2009/10/07/scientist-carbon-dioxide-doesnt-cause-global-warming

    A noted geologist who coauthored the New York Times bestseller Sugar Busters has turned his attention to convincing Congress that carbon dioxide emissions are good for the Earth and don’t cause global warming. Leighton Steward is on Capitol Hill this week armed with studies and his book Fire, Ice and Paradise in a bid to show senators working on the energy bill that the carbon dioxide cap-and-trade scheme could actually hurt the environment by reducing CO2 levels.

    “I’m trying to kill the whole thing,” he says. “We are tilting at windmills.” He is meeting with several GOP lawmakers and has plans to meet with some Democrats later this week.

    Much of the global warming debate has focused on reducing CO2 emissions because it is thought that the greenhouse gas produced mostly from fossil fuels is warming the planet. But Steward, who once believed CO2 caused global warming, is trying to fight that with a mountain of studies and scientific evidence that suggest CO2 is not the cause for warming. What’s more, he says CO2 levels are so low that more, not less, is needed to sustain and expand plant growth.

    Trying to debunk theories that higher CO2 levels cause warming, he cites studies that show CO2 levels following temperature spikes, prompting him to back other scientists who say that global warming is caused by solar activity.

    In taking on lawmakers pushing for a cap-and-trade plan to deal with emissions, Steward tells Whispers that he’s worried that the legislation will result in huge and unneeded taxes. Worse, if CO2 levels are cut, he warns, food production will slow because plants grown at higher CO2 levels make larger fruit and vegetables and also use less water. He also said that higher CO2 levels are not harmful to humans. As an example, he said that Earth’s atmosphere currently has about 338 parts per million of CO2 and that in Navy subs, the danger level for carbon dioxide isn’t reached until the air has 8,000 parts per million of CO2.

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  6. Mark Wilson Inactive
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    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    Mark Wilson (View Comment):

    Judge Mental (View Comment):
    No one makes the connection that we have done more to eliminate CO2 than other countries, and that that might have something to do with it.

    Sorry to throw cold water on this, but I have never heard anyone claim that CO2 warming is a local phenomenon. There’s no reason to think the US increasing or reducing its CO2 emissions would affect the temperature in the US more than elsewhere. The greenhouse mechanism is based on dispersion of the CO2 throughout the atmosphere.

    First off, it was basically a troll, saying that if we do what they want, we’ll get an ice age, but seriously, CO2 dispersion is not instantaneous. Areas that produce more will have a higher concentration, particularly as they continue to produce.

    Not much literature online about it, but this one study says high local CO2 concentration hardly matters even at the city level.  Hard to imagine it would be even approach that strength at the national level.

    Past research has demonstrated that the existence of a pronounced urban heat island effect for the Phoenix metropolitan area, as well as an equally pronounced urban atmospheric CO2 dome across the city. Generally, the higher temperatures coincide in time and space with higher values of atmospheric CO2; given the literature linking higher temperatures to higher levels of CO2, it is tempting to declare a strong causal relationship between these two parameters, given the situation in Phoenix.

    To better understand the physical linkage between the higher temperalares and higher CO2 concentrations, we use a 92-layer nine-band terrestrial radiative flux model to simulate the effects of an urban CO2 dome on atmospheric and surface heating. The results indicate that the effect of the CO2 dome on Phoenix metropolitan area temperatures is minimal, resulting in surface temperatures that exceed the control simulation by only 0.12°C.
     

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  7. Hartmann von Aue Member
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    Jud

    When they are the record keepers, those records can be changed.

    The latest explanation I saw included a map that showed that while the U.S. is colder than normal, everywhere else it is way warmer than normal, giving an average of warmer than normal. No one makes the connection that we have done more to eliminate CO2 than other countries, and that that might have something to do with it. If the entire world follows their prescriptions, maybe we get an ice age.

    I’d like to see their map for Europe  2017-18 so I can laugh at it. We live in the south of Germany and it has been significantly colder than average right up until ….ten minutes ago. 

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  8. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    https://globalnews.ca/news/4128512/warmer-weather-to-return-to-calgary-monday/

    Warmer weather returns on Monday. This is a headline they should just keep as a macro…

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  9. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    My house this morning. I realized that is only 61 days to the summer solstice today, and there is still significant snow on the ground. No matter how you cut it, summer will be short.

    I also saw news stories, that farmer’s about a month behind in their planting operations. No wonder, when I drove in the country earlier this week, I was surprised to see nearly all of the farm land was still covered in snow.

    Com’on – we wing nuts cant gin up a 200 post thread on climate skepticism? For Shame!

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  10. Umbra of Nex, Fractus Inactive
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    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

     

    My house this morning. I realized that is only 61 days to the summer solstice today, and there is still significant snow on the ground. No matter how you cut it, summer will be short.

    I also saw news stories, that farmer’s about a month behind in their planting operations. No wonder, when I drove in the country earlier this week, I was surprised to see nearly all of the farm land was still covered in snow.

    Com’on – we wing nuts cant gin up a 200 post thread on climate skepticism? For Shame!

    No! Don’t you rubes get it?! This just proves how bad Global Cooling Global Warming Climate Change really is! This wouldn’t be happening if that evil Trump hadn’t pulled out of the Paris treaty. We have to do something about Global Cooling Global Warming Climate Change NOW!

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  11. Western Chauvinist Member
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    We had three inches over night last night. It’s not that uncommon for Colorado (March and April are our snowiest months). And, we desperately need the moisture, so I’m not complaining.

    However, I’d still like to slug the climate hysterics. Just because.

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  12. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    We had three inches over night last night. It’s not that uncommon for Colorado (March and April are our snowiest months). And, we desperately need the moisture, so I’m not complaining.

    However, I’d still like to slug the climate hysterics. Just because.

    That sounds like the old “If you see a Bulgarian on the street, beat him.  He’ll know why.”

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  13. Clavius Thatcher
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    We had three inches over night last night. It’s not that uncommon for Colorado (March and April are our snowiest months). And, we desperately need the moisture, so I’m not complaining.

    However, I’d still like to slug the climate hysterics. Just because.

    I do also hate hysteria in the pursuit of political control.  Which is what the program is about.  Many other supporters are just useful idiots.

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