Macron ou Le Pen? A Little Experiment for People Who Can’t Understand Either One

 

If your French, like mine, is spotty-to-nonexistent, I invite you to take a little test. Listen to the victory speeches that both Macron and Le Pen delivered this very evening. Watch their body language. Look at their eyes. Gauge their energy levels and the sounds of their voices. Ignore what they say — again, if your French is as spotty as mine, that’ll be easy — to respond to each at the most basic human level: Who makes you feel more alive? Who looks more like a leader?

My answer? Easy. Le Pen–by a lot. I’d been assuming until now that all the polls showing Le Pen would lose the second and final round of voting, which will take place early next month, have been correct. Now I’m not so sure. Le Pen, it seems to me, simply connects.

Le Pen–that’s my answer. Yours?

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  1. David Carroll Thatcher
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    Joseph Eagar (View Comment):
    Man, that was much more horrible then I thought it would be. Macron reminds me a lot of Marco Rubio; lots of hype and excitement, over someone who at the end of the day is just too young and inexperienced to be a credible candidate.

    [edit: that said, I think either one can win. They both have fatal flaws as candidates]

    Macron reminded me of Jeb Bush and his lack of energy in the first debate.  On style points, clearly Le Pen.

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  2. Goldwaterwoman Thatcher
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    Peter Robinson: My answer? Easy. Le Pen–by a lot. I’d been assuming until now that all the polls showing Le Pen would lose the second and final round of voting, which will take place early next month, have been correct. Now I’m not so sure. Le Pen, it seems to me, simply connects.

    I just listened to Hugh Hewitt this morning who clearly stated a preference for Macron as did all the journalists he interviewed. They are branding her as an anti-semite and far right nut job. Since Hewitt was among those convinced Trump couldn’t win, I’m not so sure his predictions have much validity. Huge money will be pouring into the Macron campaign, particularly from the EU. It’s fascinating to observe.

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  3. RightAngles Member
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    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):

    Peter Robinson: My answer? Easy. Le Pen–by a lot. I’d been assuming until now that all the polls showing Le Pen would lose the second and final round of voting, which will take place early next month, have been correct. Now I’m not so sure. Le Pen, it seems to me, simply connects.

    I just listened to Hugh Hewitt this morning who clearly stated a preference for Macron as did all the journalists he interviewed. They are branding her as an anti-semite and far right nut job. Since Hewitt was among those convinced Trump couldn’t win, I’m not so sure his predictions have much validity. Huge money will be pouring into the Macron campaign, particularly from the EU. It’s fascinating to observe.

    Well wow. Tucker Carlson has been having British journalist Katie Hopkins on his show. She says LePen isn’t “far right,” she’s just “of the right.” She goes on to say that Macron couldn’t protect a bowl of macaroni and cheese, and that he had to create his own political party because nobody would have him.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xcvkr0IzBEo

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  4. Goldwaterwoman Thatcher
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    RightAngles (View Comment):
    She goes on to say that Macron couldn’t protect a bowl of macaroni and cheese,

    I love this line.

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  5. Mike LaRoche Inactive
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    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):

    RightAngles (View Comment):
    She goes on to say that Macron couldn’t protect a bowl of macaroni and cheese,

    I love this line.

    Katie Hopkins is the greatest.

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  6. RightAngles Member
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    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):

    RightAngles (View Comment):
    She goes on to say that Macron couldn’t protect a bowl of macaroni and cheese,

    I love this line.

    Me too! It’s even better in her British accent haha

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  7. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    This is a win already. le Pen loses, things get worse, and then what of her party? The “Centrists” refuse to even aknowledge the problems with their globalist agenda.

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  8. Manny Coolidge
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):
    Hear, hear! There are Jews leaving France over the Islamic influence to French culture and politics.

    France has the highest rate of Jewish emigration (4% — I just looked it up), but it is nowhere near the level of the first half of the 20th century (30%). I think it’s safe to say that growing antisemitism in Europe is a driver, but whether they sense it is coming from Muslim immigrants, the Left, or the Right isn’t readily known. I would attribute it to Islamic supremacists and the Left, but that’s just me.

    Yes I would agree. But the left are the ones absorbing Muslims into their coalitions. So it’s intertwined. Just look at the mayor of London, or should I now call it Londonistan?  In this country the Dems nearly elected a Muslim to run their party. This is going to have grave implications for Israel.

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  9. Damocles Inactive
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    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):
    They are branding her as an anti-semite and far right nut job.

    Ever since I voted for Reagan I’ve been branded a far right nut job, and I just don’t care anymore.

    I have no real understanding of French politics, but calling Le Pen a far right nut job just isn’t the disqualifying event it might have been 40 years ago.

    As for the antisemitism, I’m also at a loss to understand how what seems to me real antisemitism (as practiced by ISIS and friends) gets a pass when compared to Le Pen and her evil paymaster Putin.

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  10. Larry3435 Inactive
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    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):Huge money will be pouring into the Macron campaign, particularly from the EU. It’s fascinating to observe.

    So the horror and outrage at foreign interference in elections only applies to our elections?

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  11. Jamie Lockett Member
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    Larry3435 (View Comment):

    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):Huge money will be pouring into the Macron campaign, particularly from the EU. It’s fascinating to observe.

    So the horror and outrage at foreign interference in elections only applies to our elections?

    Given that LFN is essentially funded entirely Russia I don’t see this as all that big a deal in French politics.

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  12. Zafar Member
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    Herbert (View Comment):

    Aaron Miller (View Comment):
    Jews and gypsies were not persecuted in Germany for having been invited en masse by political programs for multiculturalism and electoral advantage.

    Weren’t they persecuted for failure/inability to integrate into the common culture?

    They were persecuted for being different.  Like homosexuals. And people with disabilities.  Or even dwarves.

    Seriously – this is the heart of it – that difference is intrinsic, meaningful, unchangeable, inferior and threatening.

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  13. Zafar Member
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    Re why French Jews may not be into Le Pen (though really, you should ask them.)

    From Tablet:

    The desire to marginalize Muslims is implicit in all of the above Le Pen policies: bans on dual citizenship are meant to impact Muslim immigrants, while bans on religious attire are meant to suppress the expression of Islam. But in order to deflect charges of bigotry, the National Front needed to implicate at least one other religious group so they could argue that they were not simply targeting Muslims for discrimination. Thus, Jews became collateral damage in the far-right’s anti-Muslim dragnet.

    Essentially, French Jews are being asked to sacrifice their religious distinctiveness on the altar of an attempt to stigmatize that of Muslims. Hence the National Front’s call to ban both halal and kosher slaughter. Tellingly, for all Le Pen’s talk of “sacrifice,” nothing is asked of the Christian majority.

    This article in the Atlantic gives the whole thing some historical context, ending with:

    …since at least the 1930s, the extreme right in France has repeatedly invoked Muslims and Jews in the same breath, at once highlighting both groups as different from the rest of the population and seeking to rally them against one another. In the far right’s vision of a mythical France with Gallic ancestry and shared Catholic culture (if not faith), Jews and Muslims inherently hold a tenuous place at best. Yet strategic considerations have often made it necessary or useful to mobilize one group against the other.

    …one need not be an alarmist to see the period of the 1930s and 1940s—the last time the French far right had the opportunity to move from opposition to power, from dodgy rhetoric to concrete policies—as a cautionary tale. Whatever Le Pen’s revisionist musings now, we know that the results proved horrifying.

    From Forward:

    …while France’s influential former chief rabbi, Gilles Bernheim, has described the National Front as “against our religion” and “not compatible with our values,” a rather important proportion of the Jewish community was being drawn to the beckoning call of Marine Le Pen…In 2012, more than 13% of French Jews reported voting for the National Front, attracted, presumably, by the animus against Arabs and Islam that today stands at the forefront of the party’s xenophobia.

    And of course there are wellwishers from abroad:

    Russia’s Chief Rabbi Berel Lazar warned French Jews that if far-right presidential candidate Marine Le Pen wins, they must leave the country, EJP reported Saturday. Lazar also praised President Vladimir Putin’s attitude towards Jews in the same speech.

    Finally – Buzzfeed reports from a Jewish community event in Paris, on the night of the election.

     

     

     

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  14. Aaron Miller Inactive
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    It’s hard to take reports of “hard right” groups and “xenophobia” seriously these days. But, as I said before, knowing more about Le Pen does show her to be worth  worrying about. The trouble is, so is Macron. It isn’t “rightwing extremists” (by any definition) who have attacked and terrorized Europe’s Jews in recent years.

    Essentially, the French election seems to mirror the American election (though we lack the historical baggage). Voters are caught between two terrible options. In either case, the effective outcome will depend as much on the coalition formed behind the French president as the victor.

    Also, events. There are always surprises to come.

    In any case, I’ll pray for the French: Jews, Muslims, and all.

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  15. Aaron Miller Inactive
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    Steyn was writing about Jews’ plight in France and throughout Europe long before Marine Le Pen. From 2012:

    [….] No, put all that to one side, too, and consider only the city of Toulouse. In recent years, in this one city, a synagogue has been firebombed, another set alight when two burning cars were driven into it, a third burgled and “Dirty Jews” scrawled on the ark housing the Torah, a kosher butcher’s strafed with gunfire, a Jewish sports association attacked with Molotov cocktails…

    The aggressors were not Republicans. It’s a crazy, sad world in which someone like Le Pen must point that out.

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  16. Theodoric of Freiberg Inactive
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    Manny (View Comment):
    I hope Le Pen wins and in a landslide. Go Le Pen!

    Le Pen is no conservative in the American sense. She is a statist. Her positions:

    • Against entitlement reform.
    • For expanding welfare payments.
    • For reducing the retirement age.
    • Against privatization of failing public industries.
    • For keeping the ridiculous 35-hour work week.

    That’s pretty much the definition of socialism. Of course a politician who has the opposite views would have no chance in a French election. But if you are actively, enthusiastically rooting for Le Pen, maybe you’re on the wrong website.

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  17. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Theodoric of Freiberg (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):
    I hope Le Pen wins and in a landslide. Go Le Pen!

    Le Pen is no conservative in the American sense. She is a statist. Her positions:

    • Against entitlement reform.
    • For expanding welfare payments.
    • For reducing the retirement age.
    • Against privatization of failing public industries.
    • For keeping the ridiculous 35-hour work week.

    That’s pretty much the definition of socialism. Of course a politician who has the opposite views would have no chance in a French election. But if you are actively, enthusiastically rooting for Le Pen, maybe you’re on the wrong website.

    Was there a “conservative” in the French election as we understand it?

    Apparently, enthusiastically rooting for the total dissolution of a nation’s culture through mass importation of new voters is now an “American Conservative” ideal. I know Ricochet is the right website for support of Open Boarders. That is well tolerated and promoted in these here parts.

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  18. Larry3435 Inactive
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Theodoric of Freiberg (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):
    I hope Le Pen wins and in a landslide. Go Le Pen!

    Le Pen is no conservative in the American sense. She is a statist. Her positions:

    • Against entitlement reform.
    • For expanding welfare payments.
    • For reducing the retirement age.
    • Against privatization of failing public industries.
    • For keeping the ridiculous 35-hour work week.

    That’s pretty much the definition of socialism. Of course a politician who has the opposite views would have no chance in a French election. But if you are actively, enthusiastically rooting for Le Pen, maybe you’re on the wrong website.

    Was there a “conservative” in the French election as we understand it?

    Apparently, enthusiastically rooting for the total dissolution of a nation’s culture through mass importation of new voters is now an “American Conservative” ideal. I know Ricochet is the right website for support of Open Boarders. That is well tolerated and promoted in these here parts.

    So far as I can tell, support for open borders is a tiny minority position on Ricochet.  The fact that such a minority is “tolerated” is, so far as I am concerned, a feature not a bug.

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  19. Claire Berlinski, Ed. Member
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    I am sad to report that contra my best information — all gained from what I had been certain were reliable sources, random Twitter users on the Internet — my cats weren’t remotely interested in the duct-tape crop-circles I labored for hours to fashion for them on the floor of my apartment. I tried many shapes and sizes. Not only were they not fooled, they were not even amused.

    So alas I have no charming videos of my cats trapped in squares made of tape to share with you.

    I do, however, have duct tape all over my floor. I would value any advice you’ve got about how to get it off again without losing my security deposit.

     

     

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  20. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Claire Berlinski, Ed. (View Comment):
    I am sad to report that contra my best information — all gained from what I had been certain were reliable sources, random Twitter users on the Internet — my cats weren’t remotely interested in the duct-tape crop-circles I labored for hours to fashion for them on the floor of my apartment. I tried many shapes and sizes. Not only were they not fooled, they were not even amused.

    So alas I have no charming videos of my cats trapped in squares made of tape to share with you.

    I do, however, have duct tape all over my floor. I would value any advice you’ve got about how to get it off again without losing my security deposit.

    Our cat was not stopped by anything like that. Weird thought.

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  21. Zafar Member
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    Aaaargh! Squares Claire, not crop circles, squares!

    Better get more duct tape.  Or more cats.  Or, just to be safe, both.

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  22. Aaron Miller Inactive
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    The editors at NRO offer a balanced summary. More could probably be made of this segment:

    Worse still, a Macron presidency threatens to exacerbate the resentments and the cultural unease that have pushed so many in France into Le Pen’s arms. Macron seems to have no understanding of why immigration is a source of tension, and, given his tendency to make claims such as that “there is no such thing as French culture,” he will be the perfect foil for the malcontents if the economy continues to stutter and the Islamist attacks continue to mount. [….]

    In other words, if Macron wins this election, Le Pen will win the next one. One might think Fillon’s party would benefit, but that doesn’t seem to be the case.

    Only a decade ago, France’s two traditional major parties — the conservative Republicans and the Socialists — won 57 percent of the vote between them in the first round of the country’s presidential elections. On Sunday, both parties together won less than half that — only 26 percent. [….]

    Will the Republicains recover if freed of Fillon’s baggage?

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  23. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Duplicate.

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  24. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Claire Berlinski, Ed. (View Comment):
    I am sad to report that contra my best information — all gained from what I had been certain were reliable sources, random Twitter users on the Internet — my cats weren’t remotely interested in the duct-tape crop-circles I labored for hours to fashion for them on the floor of my apartment. I tried many shapes and sizes. Not only were they not fooled, they were not even amused.

    So alas I have no charming videos of my cats trapped in squares made of tape to share with you.

    Have you tried rubbing a little tuna oil in the middle of the circle? Oh, you missed that part of the instructions? Catnip would probably work, too.

    Ronsonol lighter fluid will take up that adhesive after the cats are finished having their high. Just be careful it doesn’t take up the finish on your floors, too!

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  25. James Gawron Inactive
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    Claire Berlinski, Ed. (View Comment):
    I am sad to report that contra my best information — all gained from what I had been certain were reliable sources, random Twitter users on the Internet — my cats weren’t remotely interested in the duct-tape crop-circles I labored for hours to fashion for them on the floor of my apartment. I tried many shapes and sizes. Not only were they not fooled, they were not even amused.

    So alas I have no charming videos of my cats trapped in squares made of tape to share with you.

    I do, however, have duct tape all over my floor. I would value any advice you’ve got about how to get it off again without losing my security deposit.

    Claire,

    I will send you the special “Duct Tape Disclosure ” Form-AZ1000000123456789.5 from the Florida Association of Realtors/Florida Bar Association standard forms (current by the internet as of this morning). This, of course, will be of no value whatsoever in France. We in Florida have learned from experience that strategic investment in printer paper and toner/ink cartridge stocks allow us to make a profit no matter how irrelevant the activity.

    I hope this helps you.

    Regards,

    Jim

    PS – the cat videos were cute

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  26. Manny Coolidge
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    Theodoric of Freiberg (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):
    I hope Le Pen wins and in a landslide. Go Le Pen!

    Le Pen is no conservative in the American sense. She is a statist. Her positions:

    • Against entitlement reform.
    • For expanding welfare payments.
    • For reducing the retirement age.
    • Against privatization of failing public industries.
    • For keeping the ridiculous 35-hour work week.

    That’s pretty much the definition of socialism. Of course a politician who has the opposite views would have no chance in a French election. But if you are actively, enthusiastically rooting for Le Pen, maybe you’re on the wrong website.

    Well, that’s rather irksome that you would tell someone he doesn’t belong here. Would you tell Rush Limbaugh that his views don’t fit on Ricochet? Rush Limbaugh has totally ridiculed Macron and has de facto supported Le Pen. So is Rush Limbaugh a Ricochet conservative?

    I don’t have any opinion on how the French want to run their government and pay for their social support programs. There are plenty of politicians on both sides here in the US that have no intention of reducing Social Security or Medicare or corporate welfare. Statist is term that can be applied to politicians of all sides all around the world. No country fully implements a free market, but the restrictions placed are for individuals of that country to make. So whether the French prefer socialism over capitalism is no skin off my back.

    Capitalism may be the most prosperous form of economic system but there is a higher priority than shear making of thirty pieces of silver. One’s culture and heritage is the most fundamental element of conservatism, not economics. If you are willing to trade your heritage, your religion, your values, your culture for those thirty pieces of silver, I would put to you that you are no conservative. You are a Libertarian who is mixed up.

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  27. The Reticulator Member
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    Manny (View Comment):
    So whether the French prefer socialism over capitalism is no skin off my back.

    That’s strange, because a lot of skin on my own back is at stake.

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  28. Max Ledoux Coolidge
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    Fred Cole (View Comment):
    But no politician is going to make me feel more alive.

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