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    Oof.

    My best friend is a Catholic who is married to a liberal PhD professor. Prior to marriage he said their kids would be Catholics and they are raised that way. My kids go to church with them at times too which they enjoy.

    I think anti-Jesus is pretty mainstream now as is anti-white anti-male anti-conservative but I’ll grant your argument as true. Your religion has been under attack for quite a while.

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    • January 9, 2017 at 4:18 pm
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    Just pointing out that in this case, the villain wasn’t part of that LGBT group, but a fellow Christian.

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    • January 9, 2017 at 4:18 pm
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    I’m not Catholic, but IMO, the first statement the dad made was unhelpful and the second inappropriate.

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    • January 9, 2017 at 4:19 pm
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    Chris Serger Post author

    Gary McVey (View Comment):
    Just pointing out that in this case, the villain wasn’t part of that LGBT group, but a fellow Christian.

    Completely agree.

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    • January 9, 2017 at 4:25 pm
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    I recommend reading your state EO laws very carefully.

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    • January 9, 2017 at 4:28 pm
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    I agree with you about anti-Catholicism being the last acceptable prejudice, but as Archbishop Fulton Sheen said:

    “There are not one hundred people in the United States who hate The Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be.”

    Ignorance with respect to the Church is the work of the devil. Pray for your co-workers.

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    • January 9, 2017 at 4:40 pm
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    Gary McVey (View Comment):
    Just pointing out that in this case, the villain wasn’t part of that LGBT group, but a fellow Christian.

    Most Christians I know do not consider Catholics as Christian.

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    • January 9, 2017 at 4:49 pm
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    I’ve heard of that but never met a Protestant that felt that way. Then again, where I grew up there were plenty of Protestants, but the only white one was the fictional Archie Bunker.

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    • January 9, 2017 at 5:03 pm
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    This all strikes me as the narcissism of small differences.

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    • January 9, 2017 at 5:27 pm
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    The husband said to the priest (I’m paraphrasing), “Well, for me to do that I would have to believe that you can magically turn bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ.” The priest replied, “That’s correct.” The husband, “That’s not happening. You can leave.”

    Anybody who actually says anything like this really isn’t ready to join any church, much less become a Catholic.

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    • January 9, 2017 at 5:57 pm
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Gary McVey (View Comment):
    Just pointing out that in this case, the villain wasn’t part of that LGBT group, but a fellow Christian.

    Most Christians I know do not consider Catholics as Christian.

    “Most” as in a majority?

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    • January 9, 2017 at 6:03 pm
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    big spaniel (View Comment):

    The husband said to the priest (I’m paraphrasing), “Well, for me to do that I would have to believe that you can magically turn bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ.” The priest replied, “That’s correct.” The husband, “That’s not happening. You can leave.”

    Anybody who actually says anything like this really isn’t ready to join any church, much less become a Catholic.

    I don’t believe the question was if the husband should join, it was the son who the Church rejected…

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    • January 9, 2017 at 6:07 pm
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Gary McVey (View Comment):
    Just pointing out that in this case, the villain wasn’t part of that LGBT group, but a fellow Christian.

    Most Christians I know do not consider Catholics as Christian.

    Most Christians you know are off of their nut.

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    • January 9, 2017 at 6:24 pm
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    Mike H (View Comment):
    This all strikes me as the narcissism of small differences.

    This strikes me as ignorance of the Church. Fundamental truths are at stake with respect to the arguments in the second hand account.

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    • January 9, 2017 at 6:28 pm
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    The husband certainly has a very profane way of expressing his theological differences. But would you stillthink it anti-Catholic prejudice if he had said “I told the priest I cannot join the Catholic Church because I have problems with transubstantiation being scriptural and a church bureaucracy that went to great lengths to protect pederasts.” When does theological difference become “prejudice”?

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    • January 9, 2017 at 6:43 pm
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    Herbert (View Comment):
    I don’t believe the question was if the husband should join, it was the son who the Church rejected…

    In this second hand account, the Church did not reject the son for Confirmation. It was the father, a non-Catholic, who was opposed to having his son confirmed.

    Remembering that this is a second hand account, the report of the priest saying that the father had to be confirmed in order for his son to be confirmed is just not something the Church requires.

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    • January 9, 2017 at 6:50 pm
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    Mr. Conservative (View Comment):
    The husband certainly has a very profane way of expressing his theological differences. But would you stillthink it anti-Catholic prejudice if he had said “I told the priest I cannot join the Catholic Church because I have problems with transubstantiation being scriptural and a church bureaucracy that went to great lengths to protect pederasts.” When does theological difference become “prejudice”?

    I can’t speak for the author of the OP but it seems to me he is not specifically pointing out theological differences between Presbyterians and Catholics as the source of anti-Catholic prejudice but the fact that it is OK to blast Catholic practice in the office setting where it would be strictly forbidden to blast a LGBT position.

    To me, arguing theological difference is evangelization – what Fr. Schall would call passing on revealed truths.

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    • January 9, 2017 at 7:07 pm
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    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):

    Mr. Conservative (View Comment):
    The husband certainly has a very profane way of expressing his theological differences. But would you stillthink it anti-Catholic prejudice if he had said “I told the priest I cannot join the Catholic Church because I have problems with transubstantiation being scriptural and a church bureaucracy that went to great lengths to protect pederasts.” When does theological difference become “prejudice”?

    I can’t speak for the author of the OP but it seems to me he is not specifically pointing out theological differences between Presbyterians and Catholics as the source of anti-Catholic prejudice but the fact that it is OK to blast Catholic practice in the office setting where it would be strictly forbidden to blast a LGBT position.

    To me, arguing theological difference is evangelization – what Fr. Schall would call passing on revealed truths.

    You certainly could be right, and I guess a company can ban (while at work) controversial discussions “on their dime.” But should any of this be banned, especially if done civilly? Why shouldn’t people even at work (especially over lunch or in the break room) be able to say, “yes, I have a problem with the whole LBGT movement, I think it is destructive to our society as well as to the individuals involved. I know this may be offensive, but I don’t hate them. I just pity them.”

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    • January 9, 2017 at 7:22 pm
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    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):

    Mr. Conservative (View Comment):
    The husband certainly has a very profane way of expressing his theological differences. But would you stillthink it anti-Catholic prejudice if he had said “I told the priest I cannot join the Catholic Church because I have problems with transubstantiation being scriptural and a church bureaucracy that went to great lengths to protect pederasts.” When does theological difference become “prejudice”?

    I can’t speak for the author of the OP but it seems to me he is not specifically pointing out theological differences between Presbyterians and Catholics as the source of anti-Catholic prejudice but the fact that it is OK to blast Catholic practice in the office setting where it would be strictly forbidden to blast a LGBT position.

    To me, arguing theological difference is evangelization – what Fr. Schall would call passing on revealed truths.

    Scott Willmott, you are correct re: what was unacceptable about this whole incident. This is not about theology. It’s about manners and who it’s socially acceptable to speak offensively about and who it is not.

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    • January 9, 2017 at 7:30 pm
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    The whole point of the OP is he doesn’t much like a world where it’s okay to say “yes, I have a problem with the whole Catholic Church, I think it is destructive to our society as well as to the individuals involved. I know this may be offensive, but I don’t hate them. I just pity them.” So he doesn’t want it going on either side–leave it out of the work setting.

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    • January 9, 2017 at 7:33 pm
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    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Gary McVey (View Comment):
    Just pointing out that in this case, the villain wasn’t part of that LGBT group, but a fellow Christian.

    Most Christians I know do not consider Catholics as Christian.

    “Most” as in a majority?

    Well it is not like I am taking a bloody poll. It usually goes with somebody asking me if I a Christian, I tell them I am Catholic, then I usually get the a statement that Catholic is not Christian, or a head shake and they drop the subject, occasionally they will try to save me. It is not like we are going to make a scene or have a shoot out over it. It is just in my area I get the impression that many of the Christians do not view Catholics as Christians. We are other.

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    • January 9, 2017 at 7:45 pm
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    Gary McVey (View Comment):
    The whole point of the OP is he doesn’t much like a world where it’s okay to say “yes, I have a problem with the whole Catholic Church, I think it is destructive to our society as well as to the individuals involved. I know this may be offensive, but I don’t hate them. I just pity them.” So he doesn’t want it going on either side–leave it out of the work setting.

    Gary, I think you’re probably right, I just don’t agree with that sentiment. As a Christian, I want people to challenge my beliefs, preferably in a civil discussion (which the guy in the OP clearly wasn’t). I have no problem with someone at work saying “yes, I have problem with Christians, especially bible-believing Protestants, I don’t hate them, I pity them.” Which I would follow up with, “I would love to talk further about why you feel that way, how about lunch Tuesday?” I do not head to the EE or EO office to file a complaint. I don’t want to become one of those “snowflakes” we have been reading about. I don’t hate them, I pity them. 😉

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    It seems to me you have a problem in need of a mirror. You claim a widespread problem based on the comments of one man.

    If they don’t have a regular church then it’s likely neither of them takes their faith seriously. They aren’t a great example. The differences between Catholic and Protestant beliefs are not trivial. It is bound to cause difficulty in the marriage.

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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Gary McVey (View Comment):
    Just pointing out that in this case, the villain wasn’t part of that LGBT group, but a fellow Christian.

    Most Christians I know do not consider Catholics as Christian.

    “Most” as in a majority?

    Well it is not like I am taking a bloody poll. It usually goes with somebody asking me if I a Christian, I tell them I am Catholic, then I usually get the a statement that Catholic is not Christian, or a head shake and they drop the subject, occasionally they will try to save me. It is not like we are going to make a scene or have a shoot out over it. It is just in my area I get the impression that many of the Christians do not view Catholics as Christians. We are other.

    I know I am repeating myself, but if they say that, is that prejudice or simply an expression of a theological difference. If I lived in Ireland, or Israel, or some parts of Utah(not to mention Manhattan or San Fran), I, as a bible-believing Protestant, would be the “other.” Is that necessarily bad?

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    • January 9, 2017 at 7:52 pm
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    Chris Serger: …

    … The husband said to the priest (I’m paraphrasing), “Well, for me to do that I would have to believe that you can magically turn bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ.” The priest replied, “That’s correct.”

    I bet the priest was not so quick to accept the “magically” version. I bet he wanted to hold out for a better description of transubstantiation. Catholics, are y’all OK with that description?

    I agree that the Catholic Church is under assault from the Left. The Catholic Church is the largest body of Christians, and it has been deeply infiltrated by Leftists. Some anti-Catholic Leftists think the Roman Catholic Church is ripe for toppling. I think they underestimate the strength of the church.

    If the Roman Catholic Church ever rolls over the way the Episcopalians did, then my little Lutheran Church — Missouri Synod will be duck soup for the Leftists to destroy. Though I have serious doctrinal differences with the Church of Rome, it is the Roman Catholics who are my best allies in the culture wars. They have been fighting bravely for decades as the leaders of the pro-life movement.

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    Matt White (View Comment):
    It seems to me you have a problem in need of a mirror. You claim a widespread problem based on the comments of one man.

    If they don’t have a regular church then it’s likely neither of them takes their faith seriously. They aren’t a great example. The differences between Catholic and Protestant beliefs are not trivial. It is bound to cause difficulty in the marriage.

    Good point,MW. Let me push it a little. @chrisserger, you choose to be a Catholic instead of a Protestant? Why? Is that choice based on prejudice toward Protestants (or Hindus or Buddists or Mormons or atheists)? I doubt it. I assume you made that choice based on your conclusion that the Catholic Church and its teachings were the truest expression of the Christian faith and the other churches, well, not so much. I don’t agree with you but I wouldn’t call you prejudiced.

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    MJBubba (View Comment):

    Chris Serger: …

    … The husband said to the priest (I’m paraphrasing), “Well, for me to do that I would have to believe that you can magically turn bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ.” The priest replied, “That’s correct.”

    I bet the priest was not so quick to accept the “magically” version. I bet he wanted to hold out for a better description of transubstantiation. Catholics, are y’all OK with that description?

    I agree that the Catholic Church is under assault from the Left. The Catholic Church is the largest body of Christians, and it has been deeply infiltrated by Leftists. Some anti-Catholic Leftists think the Roman Catholic Church is ripe for toppling. I think they underestimate the strength of the church.

    If the Roman Catholic Church ever rolls over the way the Episcopalians did, then my little Lutheran Church — Missouri Synod will be duck soup for the Leftists to destroy. Though I have serious doctrinal differences with the Church of Rome, it is the Roman Catholics who are my best allies in the culture wars. They have been fighting bravely for decades as the leaders of the pro-life movement.

    I am sure that no priest would accept the magical description. The Catholic Church does not do magic. We do have an occasional miracle.

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    • January 9, 2017 at 8:07 pm
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    MJBubba (View Comment):
    If the Roman Catholic Church ever rolls over the way the Episcopalians did, then my little Lutheran Church — Missouri Synod will be duck soup for the Leftists to destroy. Though I have serious doctrinal differences with the Church of Rome, it is the Roman Catholics who are my best allies in the culture wars. They have been fighting bravely for decades as the leaders of the pro-life movement.

    My pastor has made a similar comment. The Catholics do draw the attention of the abortion and gay marriage advocates. If they fold we’ll really be a small minority.

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    Mr. Conservative (View Comment):

    Matt White (View Comment):
    It seems to me you have a problem in need of a mirror. You claim a widespread problem based on the comments of one man.

    If they don’t have a regular church then it’s likely neither of them takes their faith seriously. They aren’t a great example. The differences between Catholic and Protestant beliefs are not trivial. It is bound to cause difficulty in the marriage.

    Good point,MW. Let me push it a little. @chrisserger, you choose to be a Catholic instead of a Protestant? Why? Is that choice based on prejudice toward Protestants (or Hindus or Buddists or Mormons or atheists)? I doubt it. I assume you made that choice based on your conclusion that the Catholic Church and its teachings were the truest expression of the Christian faith and the other churches, well, not so much. I don’t agree with you but I wouldn’t call you prejudiced.

    Insulting or crude would have been a more accurate description than prejudiced. I was objecting to the broad brush applied by the OP.

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    • January 9, 2017 at 8:15 pm
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):
    I am sure that no priest would accept the magical description.

    Do Catholic priests avoid joking or getting in pissing matches with other men? Perhaps all it takes is an impish sense of humor to answer the question “Am I supposed to believe you can magically turn styrofoam crackers and booze into the body and blood of Christ?” with “Sure! Magically!”

    I wouldn’t expect it to be a priest’s serious answer. And yeah, if the priest gave a serious answer, I’m sure the narrator paraphrased it poorly.

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