On being un-American

 

Take a look at this photo.  Let me tell you what it is.  That is an M1A1 Main Battle Tank.  It weighs over 60 tons, is armed with a 120mm main gun, two M240 7.62mm machine guns, and one Browning M2 .50 machine gun.  It can move at over 30 miles an hour.  It can fire on targets 2 miles away, and hit them, while moving.  It is as American as American gets.  And I spent 4 years of my life learning to defend all of you from your enemies using one just like it.  

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Now, I bring this up for one simple reason: I didn’t get shot at by communists so that you people could cast the term “un-American” at each other because you can’t agree on which of the two wonderfully horrible candidates President is the worst.  You need to shut up with that crap.  Because un-American is someone who looks through the sights of his 12.5mm machine gun, points it at some poor GIs hanging out in the woods, and pulls the trigger.  

Also, I’m always looking for an opportunity to post a photo of a tank.  

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  1. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    Steve C.:

    Spin:

    Steve C.:M1 Transition 1985
    M1 Transition 1985

    “I said two old ladies was lyin’ in bed….”

    I don’t think we can say stuff like that anymore

    But Willie can still sing it!

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  2. James Gawron Inactive
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    Steve C.:

    Arahant:

    Steve C.:I can’t imagine after 78 responses I can still post this

    Tanks for posting that picture, Spin!

    I believe it was Colombo who used the joke back on the first page of comments.

    My attention to detail has deteriorated over the years, and my glasses are thicker too.

    Steve,

    I find that two pair is the way to go. I have one progressive lens pair for driving and socializing. For computer & work at a desk, I have a single focal length pair that keeps everything in focus between 18″ and 4′. Works great.

    Regards,

    Jim

     

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  3. tabula rasa Inactive
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    Excellent post.  I can’t bring myself to vote for Trump, but fully understand why others will.  I too hate the epithet “Un-American.”

    Thanks for your service.  I too love tanks, but not because I’ve ever been in one.

    This is a picture of my father sitting on the side of his Sherman tank somewhere in France in the summer of 1944.  In early October 1944 his tank was hit by German artillery–as a result he spent the rest of life with a seriously messed up right arm and shoulder.  And he never once complained about.

    Scan 89

    Tankers are tough.

     

     

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  4. Spin Inactive
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    tabula rasa:Excellent post. I can’t bring myself to vote for Trump, but fully understand why others will. I too hate the epithet “Un-American.”

    Thanks for your service. I too love tanks, but not because I’ve ever been in one.

    This is a picture of my father sitting on the side of his Sherman tank somewhere in France in the summer of 1944. In early October 1944 his tank was hit by German artillery–as a result he spent the rest of life with a seriously messed up right arm and shoulder. And he never once complained about.

    Scan 89

    Tankers are tough.

    Is it possible to put in a larger version of the photo?

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  5. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    Spin: Is it possible to put in a larger version of the photo?

    @tabularasa, once you’ve uploaded and selected the graphic from your library, on the right hand side of the Add Media screen there’s Attachment Details  and down at the bottom of that, there’s a pulldown for various image sizes.

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  6. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    Spin: In my hey day I could hump a round every four seconds. In my now day I’m sure I’d drop the first one on my foot and start crying.

    Yeah. In high school I once spent a summer trying to put on some muscle. 7000-8000 cal/day. I gained three pounds.

    Sigh.

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  7. Spin Inactive
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    James, I did a bit of research on the merkava for your benefit.  Aside from being a tank, it has little in common with the M1 series tanks.

    First,the engine is in the front, which means the drive sprockets are also in the front, and it has just 6 road wheels (per side), as opposed to 7 on the M1.  The suspension is, according to wikipedia, borrowed from the old British centurion tank.  The engine in all models of the Merkava are turbo-deisel, as opposed to the turbine engine in the M1.

    As far as armament, early models had a 105mm, and later models a 120mm smoothbore, but neither was the same canon used on the M1 (105mm) nor the M1A1 and beyond (120mm).  However, the 120mm gun on the newest Merkava can fire all of the same ammunition as the M1A1 and beyond.  Variants of the Merkava had a 60mm mortar in the back, something the M1 series tanks never had.  The Merkava also boasted two 7.62mm machine guns, same caliber as the M1, but different weapons, and mounted differently.  The tanks also has an M2 .50 cal machine gun, but instead of being mounted for use by the tank commander, it is mounted coaxially with the main gun and fired from within the tank, similar to how one of the 7.62 machine guns is used on the M1.

    Anyway it was a good question, and fun to go and read about the Merkava.  Beyond being able to identify that specific tank, I’d never read much about it.

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  8. Steve C. Member
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    James Gawron:

    Steve C.:

    Arahant:

    Steve C.:I can’t imagine after 78 responses I can still post this

    Tanks for posting that picture, Spin!

    I believe it was Colombo who used the joke back on the first page of comments.

    My attention to detail has deteriorated over the years, and my glasses are thicker too.

    Steve,

    I find that two pair is the way to go. I have one progressive lens pair for driving and socializing. For computer & work at a desk, I have a single focal length pair that keeps everything in focus between 18″ and 4′. Works great.

    Regards,

    Jim

    Interesting. Worth a try. Thanks

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  9. Kozak Member
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    Spin:

    Kozak:Thats was not right. However I spent 4 years in one of these…

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    To be told repeatedly, by contributors and commentators to this site, that I’m essentially a Fascist. If the rhetoric is overheated the #NeverTrumpers have certainly done their share to stoke the fire.

    Maybe things can settle down around here after the election is over.

    The F4 is to sky what the M1A1 is to ground.

    Once upon a time.  But if was awesome in its day…

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  10. Ball Diamond Ball Member
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    Spin:

    Ball Diamond Ball:“I didn’t [military] so that you people could [free speech]!”

    Umm…

    At no point has anyone called for government restrictions on using the phrase “un-American” to refer to other conservatives with which we disagree. I (and I think “we”) am calling for people to use the responsibility that comes with freedom to regulate themselves.

    #TwistWordsMuch?

    Straw man.  America is a thing, and it is possible to be apart from the thing or opposed to the thing.  A person stamping on an American flag is anti-American.  So is a person agitating for open borders.  America is not a mysterious image haunting each individual differently.  It is real, it exists, and many people don’t like it.

    You have issued a feel-good diktat that a certain phrase is beyond the pale, and you will not be able to defend it.  Everybody may moo and nod that yes it is good what you say, but it’s crap.

    It’s un-American.

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  11. Spin Inactive
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    Ball Diamond Ball:

    Spin:

    Ball Diamond Ball:“I didn’t [military] so that you people could [free speech]!”

    Umm…

    At no point has anyone called for government restrictions on using the phrase “un-American” to refer to other conservatives with which we disagree. I (and I think “we”) am calling for people to use the responsibility that comes with freedom to regulate themselves.

    #TwistWordsMuch?

    Straw man. America is a thing, and it is possible to be apart from the thing or opposed to the thing. A person stamping on an American flag is anti-American. So is a person agitating for open borders. America is not a mysterious image haunting each individual differently. It is real, it exists, and many people don’t like it.

    You have issued a feel-good diktat that a certain phrase is beyond the pale, and you will not be able to defend it. Everybody may moo and nod that yes it is good what you say, but it’s crap.

    It’s un-American.

    And you, sir, are an angry old man with a chip on his shoulder, and nothing good to say.  Every post and every comment you write matches your profile photo.  Take your nastiness to someone else’s post.

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  12. Ball Diamond Ball Member
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    Fair enough, sir.

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  13. Podkayne of Israel Inactive
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    Skyler:

    James Gawron: The Israeli Merkava is a modified M1A1 if I am not mistaken. Could you comment on this tank and its differences from M1A1.

    I get a bit tired of the Israeli propaganda machine that convinces Americans that their military and every piece of military hardware they have is the bestest bestity best and their women are the hottest hotity hot in the wob

     

    Because there is no fashion accessory hotter than a semi-automatic.

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  14. Podkayne of Israel Inactive
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    https://youtu.be/S56CZ5wiuus

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  15. Arahant Member
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    Podkayne of Israel: (Because I’m Happy Video)

    I was hoping for hot and heavily-armed Israeli women, but that was fun. Also reminded me of why I could never have been a tanker. Give me the wide-open spaces, not crawling in and out of small hatches into a cramped metal box. (Even a very powerful war machine of a cramped metal box.)

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  16. Steve C. Member
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    Arahant:

    Podkayne of Israel: (Because I’m Happy Video)

    I was hoping for hot and heavily-armed Israeli women, but that was fun. Also reminded me of why I could never have been a tanker. Give me the wide-open spaces, not crawling in and out of small hatches into a cramped metal box. (Even a very powerful war machine of a cramped metal box.)

    The inside of an American tank is like a Hilton compared to the inside of a Russian tank.

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  17. Arahant Member
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    Steve C.: The inside of an American tank is like a Hilton compared to the inside of a Russian tank.

    Understood. Still, for some of us, anything smaller than Trump Tower is cramped to be inside of. ;)

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  18. Spin Inactive
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    Ball Diamond Ball:Fair enough, sir.

    I apologize for the personal attack.  I was up at 0h-dark-30, and I wasn’t in the right frame of mind to be on Ricochet.

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  19. Dave L Member
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    Late posting as usual, but have to get my tank picture in.  2nd Battalion 81st Armor, Grafenwoehr, Germany 1976. Some of my friends worked on the testing of the M1 at Ft. Knox. It was a giant leap from the M60A1 pictured here.

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  20. Spin Inactive
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    Dave L:crew-c-26-2-81-armor-1976-graf

    Late posting as usual, but have to get my tank picture in. 2nd Battalion 81st Armor, Grafenwoehr, Germany 1976. Some of my friends worked on the testing of the M1 at Ft. Knox. It was a giant leap from the M60A1 pictured here.

    Awesome.  Good ol Graf!

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  21. JLocked Inactive
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    @spin, do you remember when that guy stole a tank (I think an M60 Patton) in San Diego? Unrelated question, do you live in Texas or can you tell me how to hotwire one of those badboys. I’m sick of Sonic always forgetting my Ketchup.

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  22. Steve C. Member
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    JLocked:@spin, do you remember when that guy stole a tank (I think an M60 Patton) in San Diego? Unrelated question, do you live in Texas or can you tell me how to hotwire one of those badboys. I’m sick of Sonic always forgetting my Ketchup.

     

    Well, on an M60 there is a padlock on the outside of the loaders hatch. It used to be a hardened shank lock and I think we called them series 200 or something like that. I imagine given the right bolt cutters you could snap that off. Then you have to climb through the turret basket to the drivers compartment. Once you are in the seat you flip some switches and you are in business.

    If you were skillful, you could pop open the periscope slot in the drivers hatch reach through and unlatch the drivers hatch. I don’t recall being able to do that trick on an M1.

    My favorite stolen tank story took place in Germany in the 70s. I think in Kirch Goens, aka The Rock. The story as told over beers at the club is that a disgruntled young tanker was thrown out of the club for misbehaving. He went down to the track park andstole a tank. Tanks in the FRG always had main gun service ammo on board. He drove up to the club, loaded a HEAT round and, according to the storyteller there is a misfire. Probably too good to be true.

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  23. Spin Inactive
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    JLocked:@spin, do you remember when that guy stole a tank (I think an M60 Patton) in San Diego? Unrelated question, do you live in Texas or can you tell me how to hotwire one of those badboys. I’m sick of Sonic always forgetting my Ketchup.

    You don’t need to hot wire, because there is no key.  You just have to bust the lock off the loader’s hatch and you are in.

    And yes, I do remember that story.  It has somewhat of an effect on me.  Our local museum was able to get the Army National Guard to donate an old M60A3, and a bunch of us tankers got involved in it.  We were excited to show people the inside and sit in there and BS.  But the Army made us weld all of the hatches shut, so nothing untoward could happen.  Didn’t matter that there was no engine, no optics, the breech and muzzle were welded already…

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  24. JLocked Inactive
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    Steve C.:

    JLocked:@spin, do you remember when that guy stole a tank (I think an M60 Patton) in San Diego? Unrelated question, do you live in Texas or can you tell me how to hotwire one of those badboys. I’m sick of Sonic always forgetting my Ketchup.

    Well, on an M60 there is a padlock on the outside of the loaders hatch. It used to be a hardened shank lock and I think we called them series 200 or something like that. I imagine given the right bolt cutters you could snap that off. Then you have to climb through the turret basket to the drivers compartment. Once you are in the seat you flip some switches and you are in business.

    If you were skillful,

    Drat.

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