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Decius Responds to Critiques of Flight 93

Well that was unexpected.

Everything I said in “The Flight 93 Election” was derivative of things I had already said, with (I thought) more vim and vigor, in a now-defunct blog. I assumed the new piece would interest a handful of that blog’s remaining fans and no one else. My predictive powers proved imperfect.

Which should cheer everyone who hated what I said: if I was wrong about the one thing, maybe I’m wrong about the others. But let me take the various objections in ascending order of importance.

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  1. Martel Inactive
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    Ontheleftcoast:

    Freesmith: Decius sees that they have no plan.

    Of course they do.

    1. Do more of the same
    2. ?????
    3. Win!

    I’ve divided 1. into three parts:

    A. Talk about how important the upcoming midterm election is, emphasize all the stuff you can accomplish with Congress alone, even if you don’t have the White House.

    B. Win the midterms.

    C. Tell everyone who voted for you that you can’t really do anything without a veto-proof majority in both houses, or at the very least sixty seats in the Senate.

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  2. Martel Inactive
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    A-Squared:

    Miffed White Male:

    A-Squared: Todd Beamer did not know how to fly a plane. I’m not sure the relevance. He did not want to fly the plane, he wanted to crash it.

    Ummmm, no. The voice recorder is clear – “If we don’t get into the cockpit, we’re all dead”. The passengers most decidedly did not want to crash the plane.

    According to Wikipedia, Beamer’s plan was to crash the plane

    Beamer told Jefferson that the group was planning to “jump on” the hijackers and fly the plane into the ground before the hijackers’ plan could be followed through

    Even if the plan was to crash the plane, if they got control of the cockpit and had fat people sitting on all the terrorists, I’m sure they would have reevaluated their plan and tried to figure out how to fly it.

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  3. Martel Inactive
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    A-Squared:

    Freesmith: How do conservatives intend to re-establish a conservative voting majority in a country that is increasingly less white?

    What does being less white have to do with anything? Are only white people allowed to be conservative?

    The real question is, how is Trump supposed to win in a country that is less white by appealing primarily to white males and intentionally alienating almost every other demographic?

    No, everyone can (and should be conservative).

    But the simple fact of that matter is that our innumerable “outreach” efforts for ethnic minorities have failed miserably, and I don’t see any particularly creative minds in charge who seem capable of changing that.

    We’re blown away if more than 5% of blacks vote for us.  We long for the Bush years in which only 60% of Hispanics voted against us.

    I agree that we could theoretically do it, but in practice we’re downright awful at it.  Instead, all we’re capable of is maintaining our defensive “I’m not racist, really I mean it” stance that makes minorities permanently suspicious of us while simultaneously alienating working-class whites.

    But yeah, we could do it, but that would require listening to obnoxious blowhards like me who’ve actually converted blacks to Republicanism.  (Hint:  I actually understand inner-city economics and go on the offensive.)  Which means it’s out of the question.

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  4. Douglas Inactive
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    Bryan G. Stephens:A friend of mine says it thus: No Championship wins. Where are our titles?

    We are both Atlanta sports fans, so that hit homes.

    We have basically one trophy: gun rights. And that had nothing to do with the GOP politicians. We got that one because Anthony Kennedy woke up on the right side of the bed that morning. And all it will take is a future SCOTUS to wipe that off the map as if it never happened. Some say we should count the lowering of tax rates in the 80’s, and while we’ve held off the old 70 to 90 percent rates, our rates are still high enough (including corporate rates) that taxes should be a partial victory at best.

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  5. Miffed White Male Member
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    Martel:

    A-Squared:

    Miffed White Male:

    A-Squared: Todd Beamer did not know how to fly a plane. I’m not sure the relevance. He did not want to fly the plane, he wanted to crash it.

    Ummmm, no. The voice recorder is clear – “If we don’t get into the cockpit, we’re all dead”. The passengers most decidedly did not want to crash the plane.

    According to Wikipedia, Beamer’s plan was to crash the plane

    Beamer told Jefferson that the group was planning to “jump on” the hijackers and fly the plane into the ground before the hijackers’ plan could be followed through

    Even if the plan was to crash the plane, if they got control of the cockpit and had fat people sitting on all the terrorists, I’m sure they would have reevaluated their plan and tried to figure out how to fly it.

    five possible scenarios .

    1:  Do nothing, get crashed into a building, die.

    2:  Try to fight back, hijackers crash plane away from building, die.

    3:  Try to fight back, succeed, passengers intentionally crash plane, die.

    4:  Try to fight back, succeed, passengers try to land the plane, crash, die.

    5:  Try to fight back, succeed, passengers try to land plane, succeed, live.

    Option 3 seems exceedingly sub-optimal for all parties involved.

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  6. Martel Inactive
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    A-Squared:

    Bryan G. Stephens: I have no idea what Trump is going to do. You, and French have decided that you do know what he is going to do, or you think that he will be worse than Clinton. That is OK. It means the articles don’t sway you, and you don’t agree with them. French is saying the articles are just BS. Lots of people do not agree.

    Point of clarification, it is Decius that has decided that he knows what Trump is going to do. That is the whole point of the Flight 93 article. Trump is going to save the country by being an awesome President, thereby singlehandedly reversing 25 years of the country’s slide to the left.

    Not even close.  He says very clearly near the beginning of both pieces that he’s fully aware that the plane may very well crash no matter who wins.

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  7. Tom Meyer Member
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    A-Squared:Meh. I think he just calls out the argument that Trump is going to save the country by being an awesome President thereby singlehandedly reversing 25 years of the country’s slide to the left by pointing that the very things Decius thinks Trump is going to do to be an awesome President thereby singlehandedly reversing 25 years of the country’s slide to the left are things that Trump did not advocate or support in any way prior to deciding to run for the Republican nomination.

    I think there’s a distinction to be made between ReluctantTrump, Better-Than-Clinton arguments — which would absolutely work for me given almost any other candidate — and Decius’ positive defense of Trump and Trumpism. Ben Shapiro nailed it:

    [A]ccording to Publius, I just don’t understand that fundamental change is required. Publius writes condescendingly that while conservatives complain things are bad, they really just want to defend the status quo: “Oh, sure, they want some things to change. They want their pet ideas adopted—tax deductions for having more babies and the like. Many of them are even good ideas. But are any of them truly fundamental? Do they get to the heart of our problems?”

    What sort of “fundamental” change is Publius looking for, you ask? (“Interesting choice of phrase, that.” — Barack Obama) Not conservatism – that’s failed: “Decentralization and federalism are all well and good, and as a conservative, I endorse them both without reservation. But how are they going to save, or even meaningfully improve, the America that Continetti describes? What can they do against a tidal wave of dysfunction, immorality, and corruption?”

    No conservative would actually write this. Decentralization and federalism, combined with a renewed societal focus on virtue implemented at a familial and communal level,are the solution to an encroaching federal government. They are the only solution.

    But what is Publius’ solution? Why, Trump, of course! “[Matthew] Continetti trips over a more promising approach when he writes of “stress[ing] the ‘national interest abroad and national solidarity at home’ through foreign-policy retrenchment, ‘support to workers buffeted by globalization,’ and setting ‘tax rates and immigration levels’ to foster social cohesion.’ That sounds a lot like Trumpism,” writes our Roman hero.

    So in other words, screw conservatism, let’s get the Big Government corporatist ad hocblue dog Democrat in here. The guy who donated to Hillary Clinton will surely fix things better than founding ideals ever have.

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  8. Austin Murrey Inactive
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    Tom Meyer, Ed.: Decentralization and federalism, combined with a renewed societal focus on virtue implemented at a familial and communal level,are the solution to an encroaching federal government.

    Questions:

    How do we get from here to there?

    What’s the actual plan to fix all that for 2020?

    Because we’ve been hearing that “decentralization and federalism combined with a renewed societal focus on virtue implemented at a familial and communal level” is the answer for 20 years, and I have yet to hear an explanation of how we’ll implement those things. Mostly I hear “Donate to stop Harry Reid!” “Donate to stop Nancy Pelosi!” “Donate to stop Obama!” and “Donate to stop Hillary!”

    I get a lot of “Donate to stop Hillary!” email from Trump, by the way, and I’ve never signed up for his mailing list. The only conservative mailing lists I’ve signed up for are: The Weekly Standard, National Review and Ricochet so one of those three sold or gave the Trump campaign my email information.

    Trump doesn’t have any answers but he barely pretends to care, which is almost an improvement over the various non-plans we get told about.

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  9. Martel Inactive
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    Austin Murrey:

    Tom Meyer, Ed.: Decentralization and federalism, combined with a renewed societal focus on virtue implemented at a familial and communal level,are the solution to an encroaching federal government.

    Questions:

    How do we get from here to there?

    What’s the actual plan to fix all that for 2020?

    Because we’ve been hearing that “decentralization and federalism combined with a renewed societal focus on virtue implemented at a familial and communal level” is the answer for 20 years, and I have yet to hear an explanation of how we’ll implement those things. Mostly I hear “Donate to stop Harry Reid!” “Donate to stop Nancy Pelosi!” “Donate to stop Obama!” and “Donate to stop Hillary!”

    I get a lot of “Donate to stop Hillary!” email from Trump, by the way, and I’ve never signed up for his mailing list. The only conservative mailing lists I’ve signed up for are: The Weekly Standard, National Review and Ricochet so one of those three sold or gave the Trump campaign my email information.

    Trump doesn’t have any answers but he barely pretends to care, which is almost an improvement over the various non-plans we get told about.

    The plan depends on whether or not it’s right before or right after a midterm election.  Before the election, there’s all sorts of stuff we can do if we win the election.  After we win the election, the plan is to wait until we have sixty senators.

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  10. Austin Murrey Inactive
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    Martel:

    Austin Murrey:

    Tom Meyer, Ed.: Decentralization and federalism, combined with a renewed societal focus on virtue implemented at a familial and communal level,are the solution to an encroaching federal government.

    Questions:

    How do we get from here to there?

    What’s the actual plan to fix all that for 2020?

    Because we’ve been hearing that “decentralization and federalism combined with a renewed societal focus on virtue implemented at a familial and communal level” is the answer for 20 years, and I have yet to hear an explanation of how we’ll implement those things. Mostly I hear “Donate to stop Harry Reid!” “Donate to stop Nancy Pelosi!” “Donate to stop Obama!” and “Donate to stop Hillary!”

    I get a lot of “Donate to stop Hillary!” email from Trump, by the way, and I’ve never signed up for his mailing list. The only conservative mailing lists I’ve signed up for are: The Weekly Standard, National Review and Ricochet so one of those three sold or gave the Trump campaign my email information.

    Trump doesn’t have any answers but he barely pretends to care, which is almost an improvement over the various non-plans we get told about.

    The plan depends on whether or not it’s right before or right after a midterm election. Before the election, there’s all sorts of stuff we can do if we win the election. After we win the election, the plan is to wait until we have sixty senators.

    That seems depressingly true.

    The old joke about step 2: ???, step 3: profit is a lot less funny when step 1 also happens to be ???.

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  11. Freesmith Member
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    Tom Meyers, Ed.

    Ben Shapiro wrote:

    I just don’t understand that fundamental change is required. Publius writes condescendingly that while conservatives complain things are bad, they really just want to defend the status quo: “Oh, sure, they want some things to change. They want their pet ideas adopted—tax deductions for having more babies and the like. Many of them are even good ideas. But are any of them truly fundamental? Do they get to the heart of our problems?”

    Ben has no answers besides more of the same. Been there, done that. How’s it working in Newark? Compton? East LA? East St. Louis? Birmingham? Philadelphia? Milwaukee? Oh, it hasn’t been tried? No, it hasn’t been accepted.

    Decius suggests the answer, and I’ll spell it out: A radical reduction, if not a complete moratorium, on all immigration.

    That is a fundamental change that would reverse 50 years of government policy and elite consensus. It gets to the heart of our problems, which is that the traditional American nation is being deliberately displaced in favor of a New People through a continuous wave of immigrants, a wave that does not permit – in fact it has destroyed – the work of assimilation.

    We must reverse an immigration policy designed by Democrats 1) to augment Democratic voting strength and 2) to marginalize and demoralize troublesome traditional Americans who somehow maintain a hankering for freedom.

    Otherwise it’s “Alien Nation” (1995), “Adios, America” (2015) and “The Flight 93 Election” (2016).

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  12. Majestyk Member
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    Martel:But yeah, we could do it, but that would require listening to obnoxious blowhards like me who’ve actually converted blacks to Republicanism. (Hint: I actually understand inner-city economics and go on the offensive.) Which means it’s out of the question.

    Well, that sounds like a post – if you’ve already written it then please link it for me.

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  13. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    A-Squared:

    Miffed White Male:

    I don’t support Trump because I think he’ll be a great President, I support him because I think he’ll be slightly less awful than Clinton.

    That is a perfectly legitimate argument and belief. It just doesn’t correspond with the argument Decius is making (if we elect Trump, the nation will be saved.)

    If Trump is slightly less awful than Clinton, someone even more left-leaning than Clinton will be President in four years probably with Democrats controlling both the house and the senate, and we will have at best, slightly delayed the plane crashing into the field, not reversed its decline, with that slight delay possibly resulting in an acceleration of the decline just four years later.

    And just Decius is not the only person that French went after.

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  14. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Douglas:

    Bryan G. Stephens:A friend of mine says it thus: No Championship wins. Where are our titles?

    We are both Atlanta sports fans, so that hit homes.

    We have basically one trophy: gun rights. And that had nothing to do with the GOP politicians. We got that one because Anthony Kennedy woke up on the right side of the bed that morning. And all it will take is a future SCOTUS to wipe that off the map as if it never happened. Some say we should count the lowering of tax rates in the 80’s, and while we’ve held off the old 70 to 90 percent rates, our rates are still high enough (including corporate rates) that taxes should be a partial victory at best.

    Amen. Sing it Brother!@

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  15. Martel Inactive
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    Majestyk:

    Martel:But yeah, we could do it, but that would require listening to obnoxious blowhards like me who’ve actually converted blacks to Republicanism. (Hint: I actually understand inner-city economics and go on the offensive.) Which means it’s out of the question.

    Well, that sounds like a post – if you’ve already written it then please link it for me.

    It’s one of several on the works.  I’ll try to give a quick breakdown though in the comments here later when I’m on a computer and not my phone.

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  16. Jamie Lockett Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens:

    A-Squared:

    Miffed White Male:

    I don’t support Trump because I think he’ll be a great President, I support him because I think he’ll be slightly less awful than Clinton.

    That is a perfectly legitimate argument and belief. It just doesn’t correspond with the argument Decius is making (if we elect Trump, the nation will be saved.)

    If Trump is slightly less awful than Clinton, someone even more left-leaning than Clinton will be President in four years probably with Democrats controlling both the house and the senate, and we will have at best, slightly delayed the plane crashing into the field, not reversed its decline, with that slight delay possibly resulting in an acceleration of the decline just four years later.

    And just Decius is not the only person that French went after.

    Other than an offhand comment in the podcast can you point me to intellectual defenses of Trump from the likes of Dr. Sowell or Peter Robinson or any other intellectual you choose that Mr. French is impugning in your opinion.

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  17. Freesmith Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens: We have basically one trophy: gun rights. And that had nothing to do with the GOP politicians. We got that one because Anthony Kennedy woke up on the right side of the bed that morning. And all it will take is a future SCOTUS to wipe that off the map as if it never happened.

    You’re right about Kennedy and SCOTUS of course, and that only emphasizes the critical nature of NOT VOTING for the candidate who, if she wins*, will put more Kagans, Breyers and Ginsburgs on the Court.

    But gun rights have been protected legislatively as well. The NRA’s secret has been to support candidates of either party, even Democrats such as Harry Reid, as long as they are good on gun rights. Unfortunately, according to the logic you can often see on Ricochet, funding Democrats to get what you want makes the NRA “left-leaning” and “progressive.” Sure.

    *There is no realistic scenario by now in mid-September that has Clinton losing AND Trump losing. If Trump doesn’t win, Clinton does. Period. Full Stop. (h/t for that sign-off to BHO)

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  18. A-Squared Inactive
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    Martel: Not even close. He says very clearly near the beginning of both pieces that he’s fully aware that the plane may very well crash no matter who wins.

    I went back and read the original piece.

    He says “All of Trump’s 16 Republican competitors would have ensured more of the same—as will the election of Hillary Clinton.” so he clearly believes that Trump is our only salvation.

    He does say “One of the Journal of American Greatness’s deeper arguments was that only in a corrupt republic, in corrupt times, could a Trump rise.” which I missed the first time I read it, but he does not associate himself with that position and he only uses to condemn those who think there is not a crisis.

    I agree with him that there is a crisis, where I completely disagree is that Trump is part of the solution to the crisis.  I agree, that Trump is only possible in corrupt times, but that fact, in and of itself, seems to imply that Trump is, in fact, not part of the solution.

    As Rob Long has said on several podcasts, he used to believe we are a center-right country, but that has changed and we are now a center-left country.  Trump wants to pull the Republican party to the left.  That may be a winning electoral strategy, but it will only accelerate the movement of the country to the left, not halt it.

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  19. Pseudodionysius Inactive
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    I went back and read the original piece.

    Did you say “read” or “re-read”?

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  20. A-Squared Inactive
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    Pseudodionysius:

    I went back and read the original piece.

    Did you say “read” or “re-read”?

    Answered in the original post

    A-Squared: He does say “….” which I missed the first time I read it

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  21. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Freesmith:

    Bryan G. Stephens: We have basically one trophy: gun rights. And that had nothing to do with the GOP politicians. We got that one because Anthony Kennedy woke up on the right side of the bed that morning. And all it will take is a future SCOTUS to wipe that off the map as if it never happened.

    You’re right about Kennedy and SCOTUS of course, and that only emphasizes the critical nature of NOT VOTING for the candidate who, if she wins*, will put more Kagans, Breyers and Ginsburgs on the Court.

    But gun rights have been protected legislatively as well. The NRA’s secret has been to support candidates of either party, even Democrats such as Harry Reid, as long as they are good on gun rights. Unfortunately, according to the logic you can often see on Ricochet, funding Democrats to get what you want makes the NRA “left-leaning” and “progressive.” Sure.

    *There is no realistic scenario by now in mid-September that has Clinton losing AND Trump losing. If Trump doesn’t win, Clinton does. Period. Full Stop. (h/t for that sign-off to BHO)

    Apparently, according to @jamielocket that is not an intell

    A-Squared:

    Martel: Not even close. He says very clearly near the beginning of both pieces that he’s fully aware that the plane may very well crash no matter who wins.

    I went back and read the original piece.

    He says “All of Trump’s 16 Republican competitors would have ensured more of the same—as will the election of Hillary Clinton.” so he clearly believes that Trump is our only salvation.

    He does say “One of the Journal of American Greatness’s deeper arguments was that only in a corrupt republic, in corrupt times, could a Trump rise.” which I missed the first time I read it, but he does not associate himself with that position and he only uses to condemn those who think there is not a crisis.

    I agree with him that there is a crisis, where I completely disagree is that Trump is part of the solution to the crisis. I agree, that Trump is only possible in corrupt times, but that fact, in and of itself, seems to imply that Trump is, in fact, not part of the solution.

    As Rob Long has said on several podcasts, he used to believe we are a center-right country, but that has changed and we are now a center-left country. Trump wants to pull the Republican party to the left. That may be a winning electoral strategy, but it will only accelerate the movement of the country to the left, not halt it.

    The right has done nothing to halt it for 70 years. They have trophies on the field and we don’t.

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  22. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Jamie Lockett:

    Bryan G. Stephens:

    A-Squared:

    Miffed White Male:

    I don’t support Trump because I think he’ll be a great President, I support him because I think he’ll be slightly less awful than Clinton.

    That is a perfectly legitimate argument and belief. It just doesn’t correspond with the argument Decius is making (if we elect Trump, the nation will be saved.)

    If Trump is slightly less awful than Clinton, someone even more left-leaning than Clinton will be President in four years probably with Democrats controlling both the house and the senate, and we will have at best, slightly delayed the plane crashing into the field, not reversed its decline, with that slight delay possibly resulting in an acceleration of the decline just four years later.

    And just Decius is not the only person that French went after.

    Other than an offhand comment in the podcast can you point me to intellectual defenses of Trump from the likes of Dr. Sowell or Peter Robinson or any other intellectual you choose that Mr. French is impugning in your opinion.

    There have been lots of them here. One was right below this one on guns. Again, he painted with a brush that covered everything.

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  23. Jamie Lockett Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens:

    Jamie Lockett:

    Bryan G. Stephens:

    A-Squared:

    Miffed White Male:

    I don’t support Trump because I think he’ll be a great President, I support him because I think he’ll be slightly less awful than Clinton.

    That is a perfectly legitimate argument and belief. It just doesn’t correspond with the argument Decius is making (if we elect Trump, the nation will be saved.)

    If Trump is slightly less awful than Clinton, someone even more left-leaning than Clinton will be President in four years probably with Democrats controlling both the house and the senate, and we will have at best, delayed the plane crashing into the field, not reversed its decline, with that slight delay possibly resulting in an acceleration of the decline just four years later.

    And just Decius is not the only person that French went after.

    Other than an offhand comment in the podcast can you point me to intellectual defenses of Trump from the likes of Dr. Sowell or Peter Robinson or any other intellectual you choose that Mr. French is impugning in your opinion.

    There have been lots of them here. One was right below this one on guns. Again, he painted with a brush that covered everything.

    Okay but defenses of Trump on pragmatic grounds are not what French was talking about (i.e. he’ll still be awful but is better than Hillary because of X). French was talking about intellectual defenses of Trump as a “savior of the country”. It’s an important distinction.

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  24. Martel Inactive
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    A-Squared:

    Martel: Not even close. He says very clearly near the beginning of both pieces that he’s fully aware that the plane may very well crash no matter who wins.

    I went back and read the original piece.

    He says “All of Trump’s 16 Republican competitors would have ensured more of the same—as will the election of Hillary Clinton.” so he clearly believes that Trump is our only salvation.

    Correction:  “only hope of salvation.”

    Flight 93 crashed even thought the passengers did the right thing and stormed the cockpit.  He compares the storming of the cockpit to electing Trump.  He therefore recognizes that although electing Trump is our best option at the moment, it may not be sufficient.  Otherwise he wouldn’t have named his piece after Flight 93.

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    Decius claims that Trump’s transformational role is to put We the People back in control of their government, rather than a managerial/meritocratic elite running the state through the agency of an administrative bureaucracy. The words are as plain as day in his response to his critics.

    Trump is the first candidate since Reagan to threaten this arrangement. To again oversimplify Marini (and Aristotle), the question here is: who rules? The many or the few? The people or the oligarchs? Our Constitution says: the people are sovereign, and their rule is mediated through representative institutions, limited by written Constitutional norms. The administrative state says: experts must rule because various advances (the march of history) have made governing too complicated for public deliberation, and besides, the unwise people often lack knowledge of their own best interests even on rudimentary matters. When the people want something that they shouldn’t want or mustn’t have, the administrative state prevents it, no matter what the people vote for. When the people don’t want something that the administrative state sees as salutary or necessary, it is simply imposed by fiat.

    The people of the US wanted effective border control. The people in California wanted Prop 187 and Prop 8. North Carolina wants HB2. Conservatives have not been able to deliver on the first 3 and will soon fail on the fourth. It will take an outsider to put the people first – and make America great again.

    Donald Trump is the last chance.

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  26. Martel Inactive
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    Majestyk:

    Martel:But yeah, we could do it, but that would require listening to obnoxious blowhards like me who’ve actually converted blacks to Republicanism. (Hint: I actually understand inner-city economics and go on the offensive.) Which means it’s out of the question.

    Well, that sounds like a post – if you’ve already written it then please link it for me.

    A couple of guidelines I use:

    1. Don’t be apologetic.  Going overboard to prove you’re not racist makes it seem like you’re hiding something, probably that you’re a racist.
    2. Know what you’re talking about.  For starters, I recommend Sowell’s Black Rednecks, White Liberals (black history from a conservative perspective), Dalyrmple’s Life at the Bottom to see which issues are racial and which are poverty, and Venkatesh’s Off the Books for an in-depth description of urban economies.  Even most black Republicans are middle class and thus don’t know what happens in inner cities.
    3. Know what you don’t know.  When you hear, “you don’t understand”, you may very well not.  Admit it, but then call attention to how that changes none of what you’ve been saying.  Also, actually listen to why they disagree with you.
    4. Divide and conquer.  Show how decent blacks aligning themselves with thugs and black elites who exploit them does so much harm.

    There’s a lot more details and nuance, but that’s a very rough outline of the principles I follow.

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  27. Freesmith Member
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    And please don’t bore me with comments that Trump probably opposed Proposition 8 or spoke against HB2. That is not the issue. Either as private citizen or as President, Trump can have any opinion he wants; but what we don’t want – and don’t expect – is for him to put the full weight of the government on the side of the elite once the people have voted.

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  28. Jamie Lockett Member
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    Freesmith: Decius claims that Trump’s transformational role is to put We the People back in control of their government, rather than a managerial/meritocratic elite running the state through the agency of an administrative bureaucracy. The words are as plain as day in his response to his critic

    And who exactly do you think has been voting liberals into office all these years? Robots?

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    Ben Boychuk is a City Journal contributing editor, where he writes on education and California politics and policy. Previously, he was managing editor of the Heartland Institute’s School Reform News and the Claremont Review of Books. Boychuk is a former editorial writer for Investor’s Business Daily and the Press-Enterprise in Riverside, California.

    Boychuk writes regular columns for the Sacramento Bee, Press-Enterprise, and Tribune Media Services. His work has appeared in the Los Angeles Times, Orange County Register, San Francisco Chronicle, San Diego Union-Tribune, New York Post, National Review Online, Korea Times, and in many other newspapers across the United States. He holds a B.A. in political science from the University of California, San Diego.

    Through an intermediary, I have been passed this response to Ben Shapiro’s analysis which I am sharing here as a Ricochet comment:

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    From: Ben Boychuk

    Shapiro’s response is not good. At all. It was insipid from the start. Here’s one small but telling example: “The guy who donated to Hillary Clinton will surely fix things better than founding ideals ever have.”

    It may very well be the case that the “guy who donated to Hillary Clinton” won’t fix jack squat. I’m fairly certain he’ll be a disaster, assuming he wins. But one thing is for certain: founding “ideals” never fixed anything, and never will. Shapiro doesn’t understand the difference between political action and the “ideals” or principles that guide it.

    Shapiro asserts that Decius’s essay is “really just an apologia for Pat Buchananism.”

    On another forum, somebody challenged me with the following: “are you really denying that Trump’s positions on those three issues as the article defines them — immigration, trade, war — amount to Pat Buchananism?”

    Not really. But so what if they do? Buchanan was against the first Gulf War. Trump wasn’t. Neither was Decius.

    Trade needs to be evaluated case by case. Buchanan seems to think it’s always bad. Trump doesn’t. What we want is better deals for Americans that fit TODAY’S circumstances. It isn’t enough to utter the magic words “free trade” and expect nods of assent. The question always must be: Who benefits?

    On immigration — yes. Virtually identical. Remember when conservatives used to give a damn about sovereignty and assimilation? I do

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