Choice: A Novel Idea

 
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Photo Credit: Harvey McDaniel.

In the latest dispatch from the Reality-Refuses-to-Conform-to-Narrative Files comes this bit of news from the WSJ:

Texas has added more wind-based gen­er­at­ing ca­pac­ity than any other state, with wind tur­bines ac­count­ing for 16% of elec­tri­cal gen­er­at­ing ca­pac­ity as of April. Now Texas is an­tic­i­pat­ing a huge surge in so­lar power. […] In April, there was more than 19,000 megawatts of renewable capacity, according to the U.S. Department of Energy, cranking out enough power for nearly 4 million Texas homes.

Mind you, this is not a simple tale of the free market triumphing over statism: In addition to the generous federal subsidies, this partially came about through state mandates signed into law by George W. Bush and Rick Perry, and Texas residents will have to figure out how to deal with the significant grid-load problems that intermittent renewable energy sources pose. However, the same legislation that enacted those state mandates also performed a lot of trust-busting on Texas energy utilities, making things like this possible:

Res­i­dents of Hous­ton cur­rently can pick from 107 dif­fer­ent rate plans of­fer­ing 5% to 100% re­new-able power. In gen­eral, they are will­ing to pay a bit more to go green. Top-rated Re­liant, a unit of NRG En­ergy Inc. MMNRGMM, charges 7.1 cents a kilo­watt-hour for the plan that’s all re­new-able ver­sus 5.9 cents for one that’s 5% green.

The upshot: While other states are struggling to meet their self-imposed green mandates, Texas has blown past its.

Imagine that: In the the state (rightly) most-associated with fossil fuels, people have embraced wind power not because their choices were restricted, but because they were opened.

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  1. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Tom Meyer, Ed.:

    Isaac Smith:

    Goodness – I hate the subsidies, but I think the turbines are kinda pretty. But I think a refinery at night is beautiful too – a testament to man’s ingenuity and lots of blinking lights.

    Yeah, I confess I’ve never understood some folks’ aesthetic hatred for turbines (Dennis Prager famously loathes them). It often depends on setting and some other choices, but I often find them pretty neat-looking.

    I don’t like them where there was a view of nature. Nature is always better than wind turbines.

    Also, they kill Eagles.

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  2. James Of England Inactive
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    The Reticulator: Someday, when they get taken down, the conservatives among us will wail and gnash their teeth at the destruction of this American cultural icon.

    Do you have past examples that you base this claim on or merely mistaken etymology?

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  3. The Reticulator Member
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    James Of England:

    The Reticulator: Someday, when they get taken down, the conservatives among us will wail and gnash their teeth at the destruction of this American cultural icon.

    Do you have past examples that you base this claim on or merely mistaken etymology?

    Yes.

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  4. Severely Ltd. Inactive
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    Tom Meyer, Ed.:

    Isaac Smith:

    Goodness – I hate the subsidies, but I think the turbines are kinda pretty. But I think a refinery at night is beautiful too – a testament to man’s ingenuity and lots of blinking lights.

    Yeah, I confess I’ve never understood some folks’ aesthetic hatred for turbines (Dennis Prager famously loathes them). It often depends on setting and some other choices, but I often find them pretty neat-looking.

    My wife also feels this way.

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  5. Tom Meyer Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens:

    Also, they kill eagles.

    From what I understand, the data is very weak on this. On the one hand, the number of documented eagle deaths is fairly low, though the number that windfarms are allowed to kill is significantly higher.

    Interestingly, a major source of eagle mortality appears to be poorly-designed electricity poles.

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  6. Eric Hines Inactive
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    Isaac Smith:

    mollysmom: Every time I drive I-84 along the Columbia River in Oregon toward Portland and see the ever-multiplying wind turbines towering above me, I gnash my teeth in frustrated rage. You see, these bird killing monstrosities are being built in my backyard —the windswept, wild hills of eastern Oregon— by the politically powerful Portland leftists as religious shrines to appease their anthropogenic climate change god. To make matters worse, I am forced to participate in their worship by paying taxes to subsidize these horrid pustules spreading over our land.

    Goodness – I hate the subsidies, but I think the turbines are kinda pretty. But I think a refinery at night is beautiful too – a testament to man’s ingenuity and lots of blinking lights.

    It’s also interesting to note that, especially over the last couple of decades, all the imagery (favored of the Left) of refineries pouring out smoke from their stacks are actually refineries pouring out steam from those stacks.  Including coal-fired establishments.

    Eric Hines

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  7. The Reticulator Member
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    Eric Hines:It’s also interesting to note that, especially over the last couple of decades, all the imagery (favored of the Left) of refineries pouring out smoke from their stacks are actually refineries pouring out steam from those stacks. Including coal-fired establishments.

    Eric Hines

    Speaking of the left’s imagry,  old Soviet movies of the era of socialist realism like to show cooling towers of nuclear power plants right next to residential areas, and smoke-billowing smokestacks, all as a wonderful thing – a sign of progress.

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  8. Homer Member
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    … residents will have to figure out how to deal with the significant grid-load problems that intermittent renewable energy sources pose.

    Yes, but aside from that Mrs. Lincoln…

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  9. Homer Member
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    When a customer decides they want to pay extra for 100% green power, how are those electrons separated out just for them?

    Its one big pile of electrons.  They just get to call some of them their very own.  Kind of like paying to have a star named after you.

    And if the wind turbines are built because of government mandates, how can you call that the people “embracing” it?  This choice to pay more doesn’t cause anything to be more green.  Seems to me a bit like the Church of Texas is selling indulgences.

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  10. Isaac Smith Member
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    Homer:When a customer decides they want to pay extra for 100% green power, how are those electrons separated out just for them?

    Its one big pile of electrons. They just get to call some of them their very own. Kind of like paying to have a star named after you.

    You are absolutely right that there is no such thing as a green electron or a brown electron.  But if I sell you “green electrons” that is shorthand for saying that I bought electrons in the market from a “green” source and “allocated” them to you.  If I buy wind power in Abilene and sell it to you in Houston, perhaps none of the actual electrons from the wind farm I buy from make their way to Houston (though some likely do, even if it is unlikely that they make it to your house/business), but at the margin, your purchase increased the amount of “green” energy in the grid, thus decreasing the “brown” energy.  That’s the theory.  So not quite like paying to have a star named after you, which has no effect on the number of stars.

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  11. Tom Meyer Member
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    Homer:And if the wind turbines are built because of government mandates, how can you call that the people “embracing” it?

    Because the mandates were exceeded so quickly. From the WSJ piece:

    The deregulation plan, which Mr. Bush signed just days after announcing he would run for the presidency, also included a government-imposed requirement to have at least 2,000 megawatts of renewable generating capacity by 2009.

    Texas blew past that goal in 2005. Then Gov. Rick Perry, also a Republican and no fan of government intervention, raised the goal to 10,000 megawatts by 2025. Texas hit that target in 2011 and kept going. In April, there was more than 19,000 megawatts of renewable capacity, according to the U.S. Department of Energy, cranking out enough power for nearly 4 million Texas homes.

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  12. Tom Meyer Member
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    Isaac Smith:

    You are absolutely right that there is no such thing as a green electron or a brown electron. But if I sell you “green electrons” that is shorthand for saying that I bought electrons in the market from a “green” source and “allocated” them to you. If I buy wind power in Abilene and sell it to you in Houston, perhaps none of the actual electrons from the wind farm I buy from make their way to Houston (though some likely do, even if it is unlikely that they make it to your house/business), but at the margin, your purchase increased the amount of “green” energy in the grid, thus decreasing the “brown” energy. That’s the theory. So not quite like paying to have a star named after you, which has no effect on the number of stars.

    ^ What he said.

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  13. Eric Hines Inactive
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    Tom Meyer, Ed.:

    Isaac Smith:

    You are absolutely right that there is no such thing as a green electron or a brown electron. But if I sell you “green electrons” that is shorthand for saying that I bought electrons in the market from a “green” source and “allocated” them to you. If I buy wind power in Abilene and sell it to you in Houston, perhaps none of the actual electrons from the wind farm I buy from make their way to Houston (though some likely do, even if it is unlikely that they make it to your house/business), but at the margin, your purchase increased the amount of “green” energy in the grid, thus decreasing the “brown” energy. That’s the theory. So not quite like paying to have a star named after you, which has no effect on the number of stars.

    ^ What he said.

    Well, if you want to be sticky about it, the electrons don’t go very far at all; they just “vibrate.”  That “vibration” creates an electric field, and it’s that electric field that travels, at not quite the speed of light in a vacuum (because a wire isn’t a vacuum), from Abilene to Houston.

    It remains, though, the energy that gets swapped around as described.  That’s also how freewheeling works in Texas and some other jurisdiction–freewheeling allows you to pick and choose which electricity supplier you want to buy your electricity from, rather than as in the bad old days being stuck with whichever electricity company had the franchise.

    [/fastidiosity]

    Eric Hines

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  14. Homer Member
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    Isaac Smith:

    Homer:When a customer decides they want to pay extra for 100% green power, how are those electrons separated out just for them?

    Its one big pile of electrons. They just get to call some of them their very own. Kind of like paying to have a star named after you.

    …if I sell you “green electrons” that is shorthand for saying that I bought electrons in the market from a “green” source and “allocated” them to you. … your purchase increased the amount of “green” energy in the grid, thus decreasing the “brown” energy. That’s the theory. So not quite like paying to have a star named after you, which has no effect on the number of stars.

    Ok, maybe I was getting a bit too facetious with the separating of the electrons, of course they don’t reach you personally, but the star thing…

    I don’t believe that paying extra to allocate green power to you causes any more green power to be generated. The business decision to build those green sources (solar, wind, etc) is most likely based on the expectation of increased government mandates (Texas and surrounding) causing an artificial demand.  I suspect the retail/residential payment plans are insignificant.  So just like paying for a star, your payment doesn’t create any new ones.

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  15. Homer Member
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    The crux of my disagreement with @isaacsmith and others seems to be whether additional green energy is generated because of these payment plans.  I don’t have first hand knowledge of this, but I doubt it very much.

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  16. James Of England Inactive
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    Homer:The crux of my disagreement with @isaacsmith and others seems to be whether additional green energy is generated because of these payment plans. I don’t have first hand knowledge of this, but I doubt it very much.

    Tom laid out some figures suggesting that it does and that the mandates, being exceeded, are not currently the driving force. What is your basis for disputing them?

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  17. Homer Member
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    James Of England:

    Homer:The crux of my disagreement with @isaacsmith and others seems to be whether additional green energy is generated because of these payment plans. I don’t have first hand knowledge of this, but I doubt it very much.

    Tom laid out some figures suggesting that it does and that the mandates, being exceeded, are not currently the driving force. What is your basis for disputing them?

    Maybe I’m missing something here, what figures are those?

    I understand the argument that because the mandates were exceeded, this could suggest people signing up for green options are driving the construction of more wind turbines.  This could be true, but I don’t see anything here but speculation.  I’m saying that mandates from neighboring regions also affects construction within Texas. My basis is purely experiential–hours a day, every day, dealing with renewable energy providers and trying to meet similar targets, but maybe that doesn’t pass muster around here.

    My hunch is that its easier to build these things (and the associated transmission lines) in Texas than other places and that’s having a significant effect.

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  18. James Of England Inactive
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    Homer:

    James Of England:

    Homer:The crux of my disagreement with @isaacsmith and others seems to be whether additional green energy is generated because of these payment plans. I don’t have first hand knowledge of this, but I doubt it very much.

    Tom laid out some figures suggesting that it does and that the mandates, being exceeded, are not currently the driving force. What is your basis for disputing them?

    Maybe I’m missing something here, what figures are those?

    I understand the argument that because the mandates were exceeded, this could suggest people signing up for green options are driving the construction of more wind turbines. This could be true, but I don’t see anything here but speculation. I’m saying that mandates from neighboring regions also affects construction within Texas. My basis is purely experiential–hours a day, every day, dealing with renewable energy providers and trying to meet similar targets, but maybe that doesn’t pass muster around here.

    My hunch is that its easier to build these things (and the associated transmission lines) in Texas than other places and that’s having a significant effect.

    I agree with the last para, and I was inexact in using the word figures, but I felt that Tom went beyond speculation. I agree that it would have been even better with more numbers, but I’m not sure that a detailed statistical analysis of Texas energy figures compared to some control state would be to everyone’s taste. ;-)

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  19. Tom Meyer Member
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    Homer: I understand the argument that because the mandates were exceeded, this could suggest people signing up for green options are driving the construction of more wind turbines. This could be true, but I don’t see anything here but speculation. I’m saying that mandates from neighboring regions also affects construction within Texas. […] My hunch is that its easier to build these things (and the associated transmission lines) in Texas than other places and that’s having a significant effect.

    I confess I had not considered that. Interesting.

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