Have the Right and Left Converged?

 

To my surprise, and somewhat to my puzzlement, the American right seems thrilled by Brexit. And so does the American left. For very similar reasons. Indeed, the reasoning seems so similar that it’s hard to tell the editorials apart: If you didn’t know the ideological leaning of the publication, you wouldn’t be able to guess. Broadly, both right and left think this represents a blow against globalization; the proper comeuppance for pointy-headed elites, academics, bankers, and journalists; a victory for people everywhere who think immigration is out of control; and a rebuke to European snobs. I think all of that’s incorrect — and both sides are wrong — but help me to understand what’s going on with the American right that it sounds the same, these days, as the left. Perhaps we’re not as polarized as we think?

For evidence that they sound the same, here are some recent opinion pieces about Brexit. Try to guess if the author is right- or left-leaning:

  1. The failure of the economic arguments to sway the vote may spell the end of economic rationalism which began with Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan. It may be that the vote against the EU was in part a protest vote against the long term changes in economic structure of the UK economy which has destroyed many working and middle class lives. … Insofar as the decision represents a retreat to economic nationalism and closed borders, it may highlight the diminishing appeal of globalisation. Free movement of goods and services, lowering of trade barriers and cheaper foreign labour has not benefitted everybody. Conservative American politician Pat Buchanan’s observation in Pittsburgh Post Gazette on 3 January 1994 remains uncomfortably accurate: “ … it is blue collar Americans whose jobs are lost when trade barriers fall, working class kids who bleed and die in Mogadishu … the best and brightest tend to escape the worst consequences of the policies they promote … This may explain … why national surveys show repeatedly that the best and wealthiest Americans are the staunchest internationalists on both security and economic issues … ”
  2. I am enjoying the tantrum of Britain’s elites as much as anyone.  From listening to the BBC on the radio, it seems like Britain’s fanatically pro-EU elites are building an alternative universe where they ignore survey research that shows little support for a second referendum, and instead focus obsessively on anecdotal stories about Leave voters begging forgiveness from bankers and professors.  Forgive them oh Chancellor Merkel, for they know not what they have done. …
  3. I’ve been watching the TV coverage to get my fill of MSM reaction. And what you say of [Gillian] Tett [of the Financial Times is typical of what Lambert rightly labels the credentialed class — that 5% (some would put it higher at 10 or even 20% but I think the real paid-up members of the credentialed class are in that bracket) who explain to the proletariat what the elites are doing and Why It Really Is In Your Best Interests — they are simply struck dumb. There’s something you don’t see every day.
  4. Most of all, Brexit is the consequence of the economic bargain struck in the early 1980s, whereby we waved goodbye to the security and certainties of the postwar settlement, and were given instead an economic model that has just about served the most populous parts of the country, while leaving too much of the rest to anxiously decline. Look at the map of those results, and that huge island of “in” voting in London and the south-east; or those jaw-dropping vote-shares for remain in the centre of the capital: 69% in Tory Kensington and Chelsea; 75% in Camden; 78% in Hackney, contrasted with comparable shares for leave in such places as Great Yarmouth (71%), Castle Point in Essex (73%), and Redcar and Cleveland (66%). Here is a country so imbalanced it has effectively fallen over …
  5. Yes, Brexit was a rejection of Thatcherism and the rest of the neoliberal twaddle … but that doesn’t mean Scotland would actually be better off in 2020 in the EU separate from UK. …
  6. Stafford, Cannock, Wolverhampton. Different towns, same message: “There’s no decent work”; “the politicians don’t care about us”; “we’ve been forgotten”; “betrayed”; “there’s too many immigrants, and we can’t compete with the wages they’ll work for”. Nobody used the word humiliation, but that’s the sense I got.
  7. The current panic reveals a clique of embedded London journalists. The debate, such as it is, has been entirely antagonistic, veering between scaremongering and sanctimony. Often I wonder who is being addressed. A lot of us are not. … When people say: “Why is my pay so low? Why can’t I get a doctor’s appointment? Why is there no school place?”, the answers cannot merely be abstract nouns such as “austerity” or “globalisation”. We may as well blame the weather.
  8. Brexit is an expression of English — more than British — nationalism and is part of a decades-long decline in British unity. But the England that wants out of Europe is the England of vanished industry in the north, rural poverty in the southwest and people clinging to middle-class lifestyles in the suburbs of once-great cities that feel increasingly alien to them. Scotland has shuttered factories of its own, of course, but frustration at that fueled Scottish nationalism. English nationalism was reinforced by resentment of Scottish nationalism. But it grew and took on a populist character in reaction to real problems that seemed to have been brushed aside by many leaders in all major political parties. Brexit is a rejection of “Cool Britannia,” the 1990s branding of a cosmopolitan, creative and united Britain as a part of a happy vision of globalization.
  9. The Remain campaign tried to tamp down this anger with lectures, talking down to the rubes in the backwoods and explaining how they didn’t know what was good for them. This has been pre-eminent rhetorical technique among globalization enthusiasts for decades: that they would fix everything if the public would only listen. What they have fixed is a transition of wealth into financial centers and corporate coffers, and a denuding of societal character in favor of a global monoculture …
  10. A restless, beaten-down public has drawn the first blood in a rebellion against a neoliberal economic orthodoxy committed to globalization that has sucked the life out of whole communities and blighted the future of a generation. …
  11. The nerve of the leader of one of the world’s oldest democracies to actually let the voting public decide the future of the nation. … Cameron surely would have been much smarter to follow the lead of the political elites in other countries and to ignore the rising hostility to a union that seems to be stifling progress rather than increasing prosperity for all. Instead, he committed the unforgivable sin of allowing democracy to function, a debate to be held, and voters to choose. In doing so, Cameron has opened a Pandora’s box of insurgency against the political elite in Europe.

Tell me which quotes sound like they came from rock-ribbed American conservatives and which sound like they came straight off Noam Chomsky’s website.

After that, tell me what you think it means that it’s so hard to tell. Is it possible that the American right and the American left have found an issue about which they agree completely?

Do you think these views actually have anything to do with Britain or Europe? Or is the whole thing just a giant political Rorschach test?

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  1. Austin Murrey Inactive
    Austin Murrey
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    Ario IronStar:

    Unsk:There seems to be a gigantic gulf of knowledge between those who dealt on a regular basis with regulatory bureaucracy and those who haven’t and this is reflected in their attitudes of how benevolent such bureaucracies are.

    When faced with a largely unaccountable bureaucracy such as the EU has, the situation is almost always the same. Lord Acton’s dictum applies in almost every case:

    Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely.

    I am a architect by profession, practicing for decades with partial ownerships in several other businesses including a technology start-up.

    In my practice over the last twenty years in California, I have seen over half my client’s project die in regulatory hell for no good apparent reason. So I know of what I speak. I have had literally thousands of encounters with bureaucrats, many of which were unbelievably disgusting. Now as bad as California’s bureaucracies are, I still believe they are more accountable and reasonable then that of the EU. I can only imagine how bad it is to deal with those seriously disturbed clowns at the EU who want seemingly to control every facet of every individual’s day forever.

    Yes. This.

    I am a bureaucrat. I dole out property rights to applicants at my discretion. I am appealable, but I can increase costs dramatically depending upon my actions. I will never suffer a penalty for increasing an applicant’s costs.

    I am not speaking hypothetically.

    You are technically correct – the best kind of correct!

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  2. James Gawron Inactive
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    Claire Berlinski, Ed.:

    James Gawron: The EU has failed miserably to make trade deals outside of Europe.

    No, it hasn’t. India, not the EU, is the source of protectionist obstacles to an FTA, and this will be true (if not much more so) for an independent UK. China is now the EU’s second-largest trading partner after the US and the EU is China’s biggest trading partner. The EU just opened significant trade talks with Indonesia; it’s got FTAs with Singapore, Vietnam, and South Korea; it’s about to sign with ASEAN; it’s negotiating with Japan; and, obviously, the TTIP negotiations will have to wait until we have an election, but after that, one hopes, it will be signed — and nothing will be signed before that, whether the UK is in the EU or not. We’ve got the world hostage to our domestic politics.

    Claire,

    Here is the argument made more clearly.

    Nevermind the Brexit, UK will emerge with a good trade deal

    The new British government can go back to its initial objective and negotiate with the EU a trading relationship it wants. Its trump cards are (a) a large economy, (b) strong trade and investment ties with the rest of Europe and (c) its position as one of the world’s leading military and political powers.

    Throughout that process, the U.K. is certain to have a full support of the United States.

    Markets will gradually absorb all that and revert to fundamentals, after the bloodbath of last week’s wrong trading bets.

    The euro area has entered a period of worsening political disarray. Germany is living with an unstable government and rising Europhobic extreme right political forces. France is experiencing growing socio-political problems in the run-up to elections in May 2017. Spain is likely to remain in a state of protracted inter-regnum following this Sunday’s elections. Italy is facing a distinct possibility of a falling government and a new round of chaos next October.

    I will stand by my assessment of EU’s ability to make trade deals. Britain can counteract size with nimbleness. The EU is clumsy and will be experiencing increasing dissension from its members. There is a limit to economies of size. Sometimes smaller is better. EU can rely on their anti-democratic autocracy but that too will only exacerbate internal tensions.

    Regards,

    Jim

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  3. Guruforhire Inactive
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    Internationalist pap died upon impact with nationalist realpolitik.

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  4. CuriousKevmo Inactive
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    Here are my predictions:

    1. There will be a second vote on Brexit
    2. Regardless of the outcome of #1, there will be no Brexit.  It will either be delayed until a revote nullifies it, or feet will drag and it will never effectively happen.

    Bureaucrats and ideologues don’t give up so easily.

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  5. Titus Techera Contributor
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    CuriousKevmo:Here are my predictions:

    1. There will be a second vote on Brexit
    2. Regardless of the outcome of #1, there will be no Brexit. It will either be delayed until a revote nullifies it, or feet will drag and it will never effectively happen.

    Bureaucrats and ideologues don’t give up so easily.

    Finally, a bold man. I’ll say no to both of’em. Let’s wait to collect more of these bold statements & we’ll have a special post about’em & we can come back & check!

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  6. MarciN Member
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    Eric Hines: Finally, let’s not forget that Great Britain, in particular, always has been the EU’s redheaded step-child. Its joining of the original body that became the EU was vetoed–twice.

    Yep.

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  7. BrentB67 Inactive
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    CuriousKevmo:Here are my predictions:

    1. There will be a second vote on Brexit
    2. Regardless of the outcome of #1, there will be no Brexit. It will either be delayed until a revote nullifies it, or feet will drag and it will never effectively happen.

    Bureaucrats and ideologues don’t give up so easily.

    I think it depends on who replaces Cameron.

    I also think Cameron is getting a pretty brutal reception at supper right now and that he leaves office before October.

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  8. CuriousKevmo Inactive
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    BrentB67: I also think Cameron is getting a pretty brutal reception at supper right now and that he leaves office before October.

    I thought the October date was odd too given the circumstances.  I’m with you on that one.

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  9. Eric Hines Inactive
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    @EricHines

    CuriousKevmo:

    BrentB67: I also think Cameron is getting a pretty brutal reception at supper right now and that he leaves office before October.

    I thought the October date was odd too given the circumstances. I’m with you on that one.

    I had the impression that was just an outer bound date, given to give the Conservative party time to figure out its succession and what it wants out of negotiations with the EU, and given with the expectation of sooner action.

    Eric Hines

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  10. Metalheaddoc Member
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    I think the elections are becoming more about inside vs. outside. Those on the Right and Left that are for the EU are insiders, throne sniffers and cronies who game the system for their own profit. Those who vote against are outsiders who have realized they get screwed by whoever is in power.

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  11. Robert Zubrin Inactive
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    Imagine that the US broke up, so that you could only legally live and work in the state where you were born. That would certainly have its downside, so much so that I doubt that many Americans would wish it – despite all the inconveniences imposed on them by the federal government.

    Such is the situation however that Europeans will face if the EU breaks up. The EU leadership must be really bad to cause so many Europeans to be willing to give up their freedom to live and work Europewide in order to be free of it. Either that, or European tribalist demagogues must be so effective in harping on the down side of European unity that people don’t take into account what they are about to lose. Or both.

    As to the right and left convergence against liberal internationalism, see Hayek’s “The Road to Serfdom,” it’s all there. Sooner or later collectivism requires the invocation of the tribal instinct. Thus national socialism. Thus Trump.

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  12. James Gawron Inactive
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    Robert Zubrin:Imagine that the US broke up, so that you could only legally live and work in the state where you were born. That would certainly have its downside, so much so that I doubt that many Americans would wish it – despite all the inconveniences imposed on them by the federal government.

    Such is the situation however that Europeans will face if the EU breaks up. The EU leadership must be really bad to cause so many Europeans to be willing to give up their freedom to live and work Europewide in order to be free of it. Either that, or European tribalist demagogues must be so effective in harping on the down side of European unity that people don’t take into account what they are about to lose. Or both.

    As to the right and left convergence against liberal internationalism, see Hayek’s “The Road to Serfdom,” it’s all there. Sooner or later collectivism requires the invocation of the tribal instinct. Thus national socialism. Thus Trump.

    Robert,

    As the EU parliament is a rubber stamp doesn’t that already constitute a kind of International Socialism? Thus Hillary. The EU started as just a trade alliance. It morphed into an unelected Eurocrat superstate who’s ruling elite bears an eerie resemblance to Stalin’s Soviet Russia. If Brussels doesn’t give you that old Orwellian feeling I don’t know what would.

    I think it is a great relief that this is finally out in the open. An ordinary respect for the Right of an individual nation is not fascism. However, a blind acceptance of an unelected bureaucratic overclass is a soft cultural marxism. Of course, the fatal conceit of Marxism, cultural or full blown, is that it will work at all. In fact, it is a giant parasite that is living off the creative energy of democratic capitalism. If it should succeed in killing its host and taking over, like in Venezuela, then the horror really begins. Once you’ve run out of other people’s money, morality, and ordinary common sense then total misery is the result.

    Regards,

    Jim

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  13. Ario IronStar Inactive
    Ario IronStar
    @ArioIronStar

    Robert Zubrin:Imagine that the US broke up, so that you could only legally live and work in the state where you were born. That would certainly have its downside, so much so that I doubt that many Americans would wish it – despite all the inconveniences imposed on them by the federal government.

    Such is the situation however that Europeans will face if the EU breaks up. The EU leadership must be really bad to cause so many Europeans to be willing to give up their freedom to live and work Europewide in order to be free of it. Either that, or European tribalist demagogues must be so effective in harping on the down side of European unity that people don’t take into account what they are about to lose. Or both.

    As to the right and left convergence against liberal internationalism, see Hayek’s “The Road to Serfdom,” it’s all there. Sooner or later collectivism requires the invocation of the tribal instinct. Thus national socialism. Thus Trump.

    The comparison of the EU and the US is apt in understanding the issue of central usurpation of power at stake.  However, the differences are very great and a straight analogy is terribly misleading.  European culture is still far more diverse than in the US, and US centralization has been much more gradual with still many more levers to combat it.

    With regard to national socialism and Trump, that’s from Mars.  Godwin’s law, anyone?

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  14. Robert Zubrin Inactive
    Robert Zubrin
    @RobertZubrin

    Note:

    This comment was flagged but ruled to be within the CoC. Reasons: 1) In general, one is not faulted for -- upon request -- more fully explaining a thought; 2) Zubrin has explicitly made clear that he is using the phrase "national socialism" the the same fashion that FA Hayek did in his writing. Though the Third Reich was clearly at the top of Hayek's mind when he wrote The Road to Serfdom, its thesis was that the phenomenon that brought the Nazi Party to power could, indeed, happen anywhere and not through wholly malevolent causes; and 3) Zubrin has repeatedly drawn a distinction between the Nazis and national socialism in general.

    Ario IronStar:

    Robert Zubrin:Imagine that the US broke up, so that you could only legally live and work in the state where you were born. That would certainly have its downside, so much so that I doubt that many Americans would wish it – despite all the inconveniences imposed on them by the federal government.

    Such is the situation however that Europeans will face if the EU breaks up. The EU leadership must be really bad to cause so many Europeans to be willing to give up their freedom to live and work Europewide in order to be free of it. Either that, or European tribalist demagogues must be so effective in harping on the down side of European unity that people don’t take into account what they are about to lose. Or both.

    As to the right and left convergence against liberal internationalism, see Hayek’s “The Road to Serfdom,” it’s all there. Sooner or later collectivism requires the invocation of the tribal instinct. Thus national socialism. Thus Trump.

    The comparison of the EU and the US is apt in understanding the issue of central usurpation of power at stake. However, the differences are very great and a straight analogy is terribly misleading. European culture is still far more diverse than in the US, and US centralization has been much more gradual with still many more levers to combat it.

    With regard to national socialism and Trump, that’s from Mars. Godwin’s law, anyone?

    Nope. Trump is a person who is using xenophobic demagogery to mobilize mob support for an agenda of unlimited government, socialistic policy, and one man rule. Cry “Godwin Godwin Godwin” all you like. That is the textbook definition of a national socialist.

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  15. James Gawron Inactive
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    Robert Zubrin:

    Nope. Trump is a person who is using xenophobic demagogery to mobilize mob support for an agenda of unlimited government, socialistic policy, and one man rule. Cry “Godwin Godwin Godwin” all you like. That is the textbook definition of a national socialist.

    Robert,

    I missed the part where Trump declared Americans the Master Race. I missed the part where he insisted upon Ethnic Racial Cleansing. I missed the part where he said America needed more Living Space.

    Well, you know me I rarely pay attention.

    Regards,

    Jim

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  16. Robert Zubrin Inactive
    Robert Zubrin
    @RobertZubrin

    James Gawron:

    Robert Zubrin:

    Nope. Trump is a person who is using xenophobic demagogery to mobilize mob support for an agenda of unlimited government, socialistic policy, and one man rule. Cry “Godwin Godwin Godwin” all you like. That is the textbook definition of a national socialist.

    Robert,

    I missed the part where Trump declared Americans the Master Race. I missed the part where he insisted upon Ethnic Racial Cleansing. I missed the part where he said America needed more Living Space.

    Well, you know me I rarely pay attention.

    Regards,

    Jim

    http://ricochet.com/donald-trump-national-socialist/

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  17. James Gawron Inactive
    James Gawron
    @JamesGawron

    Robert Zubrin:

    James Gawron:

    Robert Zubrin:

    Nope. Trump is a person who is using xenophobic demagogery to mobilize mob support for an agenda of unlimited government, socialistic policy, and one man rule. Cry “Godwin Godwin Godwin” all you like. That is the textbook definition of a national socialist.

    Robert,

    I missed the part where Trump declared Americans the Master Race. I missed the part where he insisted upon Ethnic Racial Cleansing. I missed the part where he said America needed more Living Space.

    Well, you know me I rarely pay attention.

    Regards,

    Jim

    Donald Trump: National Socialist

    Robert,

    Remember when Martin O’Malley confronted the Black Lives Matter folks he said, “All Lives Matter”. They nailed him. What a racist. Why if you let that Martin O’Malley loose in your incubator of fascism, Martin Bormann would probably jump right out in only a few months.

    Thanks for the warning.

    Regards,

    Jim

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  18. Tuck Inactive
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    Claire Berlinski, Ed.: They’re all the more compelling given that there’s a non-zero chance the US will reduce its commitment to NATO, and a near-certainty that the US won’t take the lead role in stabilizing the Middle East and north Africa.

    An excellent statement of the Wilsonian view of foreign policy. Not at all Conservative, of course. Contrast to Washington, for a real Conservative view.

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  19. Claire Berlinski, Ed. Member
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    And the answers are:

    1. Left (Naked Capitalism)
    2. Right (National Review)
    3. Left (Naked Capitalism)
    4. Left (Guardian)
    5. Left (Naked Capitalism)
    6. Left (Guardian)
    7. Left (Guardian)
    8. Left (Huffington Post)
    9. Right (American Prospect)
    10. Right (MarketWatch)
    11. Right (MarketWatch)

    Congratulations, Austin Murray, your leftist detector is almost foolproof.  The rest of you also found that the left and the right sound a lot like each other on this one. I maintain my original position: Anything that makes the left happy probably isn’t an unalloyed good thing.

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  20. Zafar Member
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    @Zafar

    Titus Techera:Of course, we can have a first round in six months, so that there’s some reason to keep paying attention, so to speak.

    Nobody needs to put money on the matter, but we can all have a Ricochet bet. Reputations will rise & fall, but as a whole, we get to have fun together!

    So spread the news, let’s gather all comers & takers & let’s make sure we have some fun with this!

    I think you should set this up as a post.

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  21. genferei Member
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    Zafar:

    Titus Techera:Of course, we can have a first round in six months, so that there’s some reason to keep paying attention, so to speak. …

    I think you should set this up as a post.

    Sounds good. Don’t forget that for all the millenial desire for instant gratification the UK will still be a member of the EU for at least another two years.

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  22. Brian Wolf Inactive
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    Brian Wolf:

    Austin Murrey:

    1. Left – reasons: “economic rationalism” “American Conservative Pat Buchanan”
    2. Right – reasons: read that article
    3. Left – reasons: “proletariat”
    4. Left – reasons: “Brexit is the consequence of the economic bargain struck in the early 1980s, whereby we waved goodbye to the security and certainties of the postwar settlement”; I could be wrong but that sounds awfully like the writer thought Britain was better off with nationalized industries and supremely powerful trade unions
    5. Left – reasons: “rejection of Thatcherism”
    6. Left – reasons: “humiliation” instead of anger
    7. Left – reasons: “abstract nouns”; maybe it’s biased but I’d guess using that phrase instead of “concepts” or “nebulous” seems more left. A way to say that people may not understand abstract thoughts as opposed to opposing nebulous ideas.
    8. Left – reasons: “Brexit is an expression of English — more than British — nationalism and is part of a decades-long decline in British unity.” This sounds disapproving of English nationalism and an attempt to diminish the result.
    9. Left – reasons: “What they have fixed is a transition of wealth into financial centers and corporate coffers”
    10. Right – reasons: “A restless, beaten-down public has drawn the first blood” sounds a bit too martial for a lefty commentator, as well as being generally approving in tone of the result.
    11. Right – reasons: “The nerve of the leader of one of the world’s oldest democracies to actually let the voting public decide the future of the nation.” Again, this sounds a bit too mocking of the BBC/MSM tone.

    I endorse this post!

    I endorsed the right post!  That must count for something….no?

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  23. Ario IronStar Inactive
    Ario IronStar
    @ArioIronStar

    Claire Berlinski, Ed.:And the answers are:

    1. Left (Naked Capitalism)
    2. Right (National Review)
    3. Left (Naked Capitalism)
    4. Left (Guardian)
    5. Left (Naked Capitalism)
    6. Left (Guardian)
    7. Left (Guardian)
    8. Left (Huffington Post)
    9. Right (American Prospect)
    10. Right (MarketWatch)
    11. Right (MarketWatch)

    Congratulations, Austin Murray, your leftist detector is almost foolproof. The rest of you also found that the left and the right sound a lot like each other on this one. I maintain my original position: Anything that makes the left happy probably isn’t an unalloyed good thing.

    Just in case anyone was wondering, here are the scores:

    Austin Murrey: 10/11

    Ario IronStar: 8/11

    Percival: 6.5/11

    Zafar: 6/11

    Everyone scored above 50%, with an average of ~7.5/11.  Given, the analytical pose of most of the excerpts and lack of context, I judge this to fairly well refute Claire’s point.  Of course, the comments do a much more convincing and precise job of refuting Claire.

    I’m disappointed to see that Claire didn’t list the scores seeing as she had to tally them to comment.  To not list those scores and then say that “The rest of you also found that the left and the right sound a lot like each other on this one” indicates that Claire doesn’t think her case is strong.

    Of course, a more thorough test would have included comments of left and right who OPPOSED Brexit (myriad examples) and see if you can tell the difference.  Similar results would utterly destroy Claire’s point.

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  24. Austin Murrey Inactive
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    Claire Berlinski, Ed.:And the answers are:

    1. Left (Naked Capitalism)
    2. Right (National Review)
    3. Left (Naked Capitalism)
    4. Left (Guardian)
    5. Left (Naked Capitalism)
    6. Left (Guardian)
    7. Left (Guardian)
    8. Left (Huffington Post)
    9. Right (American Prospect)
    10. Right (MarketWatch)
    11. Right (MarketWatch)

    Congratulations, Austin Murray, your leftist detector is almost foolproof.

    91% of the time it works everytime.

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  25. Ario IronStar Inactive
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    Claire Berlinski, Ed.:I maintain my original position: Anything that makes the left happy probably isn’t an unalloyed good thing.

    A vast amount of the left really, really wanted REMAIN as well.  So did a lot of the right (PM, etc.).  So you can say the same thing about the position you prefer.

    When you conclude the way you did, I have to ask, what was your point again?

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  26. Umbra Fractus Inactive
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    Claire Berlinski, Ed.: I maintain my original position: Anything that makes the left happy probably isn’t an unalloyed good thing.

    We had an election where one party ran on the Vincent Laguardia Gambini platform (“Everything that guy just said is [tauroscat].”)

    That was the Democrats in 2004. They lost badly.

    I, and I’m quite sure I’m not alone in this, do not decide things based on, “Whatever the left says, I’m against it.” National sovereignty is a good thing. Period. If the left happens to agree with that then good for them.

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  27. Percival Thatcher
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    Austin Murrey:

    Claire Berlinski, Ed.:And the answers are:

    1. Left (Naked Capitalism)
    2. Right (National Review)
    3. Left (Naked Capitalism)
    4. Left (Guardian)
    5. Left (Naked Capitalism)
    6. Left (Guardian)
    7. Left (Guardian)
    8. Left (Huffington Post)
    9. Right (American Prospect)
    10. Right (MarketWatch)
    11. Right (MarketWatch)

    Congratulations, Austin Murray, your leftist detector is almost foolproof.

    91% of the time it works everytime.

    I demand a recount!

    (no, wait … that’s not going to help …)

    I demand a do-over!

    (just like the remainers.)

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