Trump Decides to Talk About Judge Curiel Again

 

Remember six hours ago when Donald Trump said he wouldn’t comment any further on Judge Gonzalo Curiel and the Trump University lawsuit? Well … he’s talking about him again:

Trump admitted to host Sean Hannity he does not care about the judge’s nationality, a significant walkback from comments made over the past few days that U.S. District Court Judge Gonzalo Curiel could not oversee his case because of his Mexican ethnicity, even though he was born in the U.S.

“It’s sad,” Trump said, referring to how some have “misconstrued” his views on the judge. “I don’t care where the judge comes from. I just want to get a fair shake. We’ve had unfair opinions coming down and you wonder, what is going on?”

Don’t worry, GOP. I’m sure the new presidential Trump will be here any day now.

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  1. Valiuth Member
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    What I’ve come to wonder about with respect to all of these court troubles for Trump is why he didn’t think to move to settle them quickly after he clinched the nomination. Surely that would have been the smart move. You can always make not talking about the settlement conditions part of the deal. Thus it would have just removed this issue. Did no one suggest this to him? If he is serious about this campaign how much could settlement have cost him that he didn’t want to do it?

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  2. Could Be Anyone Inactive
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    Valiuth:What I’ve come to wonder about with respect to all of these court troubles for Trump is why he didn’t think to move to settle them quickly after he clinched the nomination. Surely that would have been the smart move. You can always make not talking about the settlement conditions part of the deal. Thus it would have just removed this issue. Did no one suggest this to him? If he is serious about this campaign how much could settlement have cost him that he didn’t want to do it?

    Some people think that desiring one’s own prestige, power, and wealth equals being self interested and intelligent. If only that was true, Stalin purged the Soviet Military in 1937 and in 1941 a war began that cost the USSR 30 million men and women and destroyed their most prosperous regions in the USSR. Joseph Stalin was perhaps one of the most self interested persons in human history too.

    Being self interested does not equal being intelligent and making smart moves which provide the best outcome. Self interest is only one optional ingredient in the recipe of success.

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  3. Valiuth Member
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    Martel:

    I’m starting to think that one of the biggest divides here is whether or not somebody has a sense of urgency about what’s going on. Some people seem to think we could endure another 4-8 years of a President who’s consistently leftist on every issue like it’s just another bump in the road and blithely find ourselves back in power in 2020 and gradually compromise our way to balancing the budget by 2112 and it will all be okay.

    If we get another leftist SCOTUS justice, we’re screwed–two more and it’s over. That could happen with Trump–it WILL happen with Hillary.

    But never mind that. Principle!

    I’m curious here, and I hesitate to bring it up for fear of violating the code of conduct to spark such a debate, but if we are only one court justice away from what you fear are we close enough to justify armed revolt? How “screwed” is screwed in your opinion? Are we at the point where it is Trump or war? Is this America in 1860?

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  4. Martel Inactive
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    Could Be Anyone:

    Martel:So those claims of “we have no idea what kind of SCOTUS judges he’ll support” come exclusively from Trump supporters?

    The claim of “we don’t know what trump will do thus one cannot evaluate trump’s political philosophy or actions” comes from trump supporters and sympathizers when one critiques his record.

    […]

    A candidate only caring for his own power, prestige, and wealth will always support leftist policy regardless of its nominating supreme court justices or attempting to use executive orders. trump will advance the left, his “ascendancy” is a proof of how successful the left has been in the culture even if trump could only win with a 40% coalition containing numerous independents and democrats (so the majority of Republicans didn’t reach a party consensus) in the Republican Primary.

    I’ll concede that sometimes Trump supporters contrast the possibility that Trump will do something wrong with the certainty that Hillary will.

    However, Trump detractors have also said “we don’t know what he’ll do” innumerable times.  That was my point, and it’s correct.

    And even if your reasoning above leads one to the conclusion that Trump will probably appoint leftist judges, it falls far short of any sort of proof he will.

    There’s a chance he’ll appoint decent justices, at least compared with Hillary.

    Even if he’s a gun with five of six chambers loaded, you’d rather play Russian roulette with that than one with all six.

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  5. Martel Inactive
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    Valiuth:

    Martel:

    I’m starting to think that one of the biggest divides here is whether or not somebody has a sense of urgency about what’s going on. Some people seem to think we could endure another 4-8 years of a President who’s consistently leftist on every issue like it’s just another bump in the road and blithely find ourselves back in power in 2020 and gradually compromise our way to balancing the budget by 2112 and it will all be okay.

    If we get another leftist SCOTUS justice, we’re screwed–two more and it’s over. That could happen with Trump–it WILL happen with Hillary.

    But never mind that. Principle!

    I’m curious here, and I hesitate to bring it up for fear of violating the code of conduct to spark such a debate, but if we are only one court justice away from what you fear are we close enough to justify armed revolt? How “screwed” is screwed in your opinion? Are we at the point where it is Trump or war? Is this America in 1860?

    One is probable hell.

    Two means we won’t be able to pass conservative legislation on any level (from local to federal) that won’t run a substantial chance of being declared “unconstitutional” because it “opposes history” or some such nonsense.  It also means that not a single Constitutional right won’t be re-interpreted out of existence to fit leftist needs.

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  6. Could Be Anyone Inactive
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    Martel:I’ll concede that sometimes Trump supporters contrast the possibility that Trump will do something wrong with the certainty that Hillary will.

    However, Trump detractors have also said “we don’t know what he’ll do” innumerable times. That was my point, and it’s correct.

    And even if your reasoning above leads one to the conclusion that Trump will probably appoint leftist judges, it falls far short of any sort of proof he will.

    There’s a chance he’ll appoint decent justices, at least compared with Hillary.

    Even if he’s a gun with five of six chambers loaded, you’d rather play Russian roulette with that than one with all six.

    I’m not one of those detractors to clarify that question. You seem to have a notion that trump is indeed conservative in some sense. Let me repeat the overall point of my argument that he is not conservative in any sense, let alone can he even communicate them (and we see him failing to communicate conservatism every day).

    I view him as all 6 bullets compared to the 6 bullets of clinton. trump spoke well of her for years and supported her. trump making a few comments about Mexicans being rapists and drug dealers ticking off the Left does not even come close to meeting the criteria of conservatism.

    Its just one strain of leftism fighting another.

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  7. Martel Inactive
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    Valiuth:

    Martel:

    I’m starting to think that one of the biggest divides here is whether or not somebody has a sense of urgency about what’s going on. Some people seem to think we could endure another 4-8 years of a President who’s consistently leftist on every issue like it’s just another bump in the road and blithely find ourselves back in power in 2020 and gradually compromise our way to balancing the budget by 2112 and it will all be okay.

    If we get another leftist SCOTUS justice, we’re screwed–two more and it’s over. That could happen with Trump–it WILL happen with Hillary.

    But never mind that. Principle!

    I’m curious here, and I hesitate to bring it up for fear of violating the code of conduct to spark such a debate, but if we are only one court justice away from what you fear are we close enough to justify armed revolt? How “screwed” is screwed in your opinion? Are we at the point where it is Trump or war? Is this America in 1860?

    That is if one of the two conservatives or two squishes is replaced (in addition to the vacant seat being filled by a leftist).  A leftist being replaced with another leftist would be a lost opportunity, but not quite as devastating.

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  8. James Lileks Contributor
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    TKC1101:For one, we can stop shoveling money and jobs to these groups out of the federal treasury. A fair amount of their activity is taxpayer funded.

    We can clean house in the executive branch to remove employees whose main job is the care and feeding of such groups.

    ‘We can then get the DOJ to enforce existing laws on racketeering for the hustle these groups use to shakedown corporations for donations. If it was anyone else, it would be called fraud or bunko.

    I agree. That’ll take the House, Senate, and Presidency. Hope we get the necessary strength.

    The first step – eliminating taxpayer funding – would require a blanket repudiation of any public-private relationship. No block grants to anyone. A hard sell, given the capillary entanglement of government at every level. People acquiesce to funding of a group they don’t like if it means the local library stays open.

    The third plank – bringing RICO charges – would be impossible, since no one had to twist the Obama administration’s arm to get them to divert mortgage-meltdown fines to social justice organizations. Institutionalized legal payoffs seem baked into the Community Reinvestment Act at this point, and the politics of repeal-and-replace are nightmarish. Again, it would take control of all three branches and a clanking set of stones on the part of the leadership.

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  9. Martel Inactive
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    Could Be Anyone:

    Martel:I’ll concede that sometimes Trump supporters contrast the possibility that Trump will do something wrong with the certainty that Hillary will.

    However, Trump detractors have also said “we don’t know what he’ll do” innumerable times. That was my point, and it’s correct.

    And even if your reasoning above leads one to the conclusion that Trump will probably appoint leftist judges, it falls far short of any sort of proof he will.

    There’s a chance he’ll appoint decent justices, at least compared with Hillary.

    Even if he’s a gun with five of six chambers loaded, you’d rather play Russian roulette with that than one with all six.

    I’m not one of those detractors to clarify that question. You seem to have a notion that trump is indeed conservative in some sense. Let me repeat the overall point of my argument that he is not conservative in any sense, let alone can he even communicate them (and we see him failing to communicate conservatism every day).

    […]

    There’s a chance he’ll appoint decent SCOTUS justices.  There’s a chance he won’t go after our guns.  There’s a chance he’ll curtail immigration.

    There’s a guarantee she’ll appoint awful justices.  There’s a guarantee she’ll go after our guns.  There’s a guarantee she’ll throw the borders wide open.

    Everything else is secondary, including personal philosophy.

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  10. James Lileks Contributor
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    TKC1101: For petes sake stop acting as if our only weapon is to drop an illegal nuke. That only tells me there is no desire to stop them.

    I’m just saying that the necessary actions have to factor in the existence of opposition, the means by which its arguments can be co-opted, and the tools that can be employed to convert the undecided. Our objective is to govern, not to rule.

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    Martel:There’s a chance he’ll appoint decent SCOTUS justices. There’s a chance he won’t go after our guns. There’s a chance he’ll curtail immigration.

    There’s a guarantee she’ll appoint awful justices. There’s a guarantee she’ll go after our guns. There’s a guarantee she’ll throw the borders wide open.

    Everything else is secondary, including personal philosophy.

    Because he said a couple words? Last I checked even clinton has mouthed conservative principles before (my daddy taught me to shoot like Annie Oakley…), his actions and words for his nigh 70 year old life indicate leftism by miles compared to conservatism.

    I would argue you are perhaps consciously or sub consciously omitting a ton of facts in order to entertain the idea that trump might be conservative. He is nigh as certain to be leftist as clinton is.

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  12. Martel Inactive
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    James Lileks:

    TKC1101: For petes sake stop acting as if our only weapon is to drop an illegal nuke. That only tells me there is no desire to stop them.

    I’m just saying that the necessary actions have to factor in the existence of opposition, the means by which its arguments can be co-opted, and the tools that can be employed to convert the undecided. Our objective is to govern, not to rule.

    Unfortunately, unless we get a little bit–dare I say ruthless–we won’t be doing much of either.

    When you’ve got an opponent who’s willing to bite and scratch and gouge your eyes out, you need to start thinking outside the “I’m too moral to degrade myself” box.  For crying out loud, there’s a lot at stake here.

    Yes, there are obstacles in our way, but if we have to wait until we have the Presidency, the House, and sixty senators to accomplish anything substantive, we’re never going to accomplish anything because we’re never going to have sixty senators.

    More thoughts here.

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  13. TKC1101 Member
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    James Lileks: I’m just saying that the necessary actions have to factor in the existence of opposition, the means by which its arguments can be co-opted, and the tools that can be employed to convert the undecided. Our objective is to govern, not to rule.

    As we have seen, control of the executive does give you operating leeway.  The decision on who gets block grants is not done by congress at all places, the personnel who manage it can be transferred to Guam, an executive order specifying new targets within the legislation that has the approval of the leadership can do wonders.

    If we play fair when in office, we lose. We have to play with the same reckless abandon the Progressives use on us, until they scream and we can put in place firm safeguards to stop it. As long as they count on our side being whiter than white and afraid to confront illegality by non white actors, they win.

    If Trump fires all of the Attorneys in DOJ as is his right, I sure hope he tells the media to go pound sand, unlike W who sat politely and let the media create a firestorm.

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  14. Martel Inactive
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    Could Be Anyone:

    Martel:There’s a chance he’ll appoint decent SCOTUS justices. There’s a chance he won’t go after our guns. There’s a chance he’ll curtail immigration.

    There’s a guarantee she’ll appoint awful justices. There’s a guarantee she’ll go after our guns. There’s a guarantee she’ll throw the borders wide open.

    Everything else is secondary, including personal philosophy.

    Because he said a couple words? Last I checked even clinton has mouthed conservative principles before (my daddy taught me to shoot like Annie Oakley…), his actions and words for his nigh 70 year old life indicate leftism by miles compared to conservatism.

    I would argue you are perhaps consciously or sub consciously omitting a ton of facts in order to entertain the idea that trump might be conservative. He is nigh as certain to be leftist as clinton is.

    Even if his philosophy isn’t conservative, some of his constituency is.

    If you’ve got to choose between two leftist narcissists (which I’ll grant for the sake of argument), it makes sense to support the one who’s dependent on conservative support.  Trump would have to sell people out and would face backlash, Hillary would make her supporters gleeful.

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    Martel: If you’ve got to choose between two leftist narcissists (which I’ll grant for the sake of argument), it makes sense to support the one who’s dependent on conservative support. Trump would have to sell people out and would face backlash, Hillary would make her supporters gleeful.

    Might I ask how you know that the 40% of those votes he got were from conservatives? This is a man who has ruined his investors on numerous occasions before. From what record we have seen he has no feeling of loyalty to those who “invest” in him and I doubt he received no backlash (if such didn’t happen then he wouldn’t be getting sued right now for instance).

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  16. Martel Inactive
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    Could Be Anyone:

    Martel: If you’ve got to choose between two leftist narcissists (which I’ll grant for the sake of argument), it makes sense to support the one who’s dependent on conservative support. Trump would have to sell people out and would face backlash, Hillary would make her supporters gleeful.

    Might I ask how you know that the 40% of those votes he got were from conservatives? This is a man who has ruined his investors on numerous occasions before. From what record we have seen he has no feeling of loyalty to those who “invest” in him and I doubt he received no backlash (if such didn’t happen then he wouldn’t be getting sued right now for instance).

    Not all of those votes, but some of them.  If no conservatives supported him (pace those who believe no conservative could have ever voted for him), I can’t see how he would have won.

    And I’m not talking “loyalty,” I’m talking leverage.  If his immigration policy is anything like Hillary’s would be, he’d have no political support or capital to accomplish anything.

    If he were as stupid as some people seem to think he is he would have squandered his entire inherited fortune and would be flipping burgers somewhere.

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    Martel:And I’m not talking “loyalty,” I’m talking leverage. If his immigration policy is anything like Hillary’s would be, he’d have no political support or capital to accomplish anything.

    If he were as stupid as some people seem to think he is he would have squandered his entire inherited fortune and would be flipping burgers somewhere.

    Not if you have the law protecting you (keeps supply at x while demand continually increases, thus ensuring ever higher returns) and bailing you out whenever anything bad happens (which we know he did numerous times). trump is someone who pays little to no attention and was raised in a bubble. It explains his outbursts, it also explains his many failures and ivy league education.

    trump doesn’t feel any leverage to conservatives. If he did then he wouldn’t have defended transgender bathroom laws or done half the things he has done in his life or comment that his fans are so blindly loyal that killing someone wouldn’t change their support for him.

    If anything trump has spoken like he has his supporters on his finger and that leverage means nothing (which after getting the required delegates he stated that he was the “leader” of the party, if anything trump thinks he has the leverage, not his supporters). You seem to be projecting hope onto him. I would caution against such.

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  18. Brian Clendinen Inactive
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    Martel:If we get another leftist SCOTUS justice, we’re screwed–two more and it’s over. That could happen with Trump–it WILL happen with Hillary.

    But never mind that. Principle!

    So you are saying Hillary is more Principled than Trump and to vote for Trump because not having any principles is better than a set of principles we know are wrong and evil.

    This really is the crux of the argument. Vote for the unprincipled guy who when he sometimes feels like it he does not due harm or accidentally does good to every day American values. Verses the principled candidate who is constantly against American values.

    So someone who knows they are evil and acts that way or someone who does not realize they are evil and sometimes based on feelings does good because he does not know he is supposed to be evil therefor he does not always due the wrong thing?

    Then again this argument to vote for Trump is all based on domestic policy.  I have no doubt Hillary is more conservative than Trump on Foreign policy. Heck I would argue Obama appears to the right of Trump on Foreign policy. If we were only electing the Secretary of State (who was not under authority to a Trump president). I would vote for Hillary in a heart beat. Better a Viper than a Leviathan because there is no such thing as a Leviathan charmer.

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  19. Brian Clendinen Inactive
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    TKC1101:‘We can then get the DOJ to enforce existing laws on racketeering for the hustle these groups use to shakedown corporations for donations. If it was anyone else, it would be called fraud or bunko.

    That is the problem the president should not have this power to protect his buddies. There is nothing in the constitution that requires the Attorney General to be under the president. That is just what Washington and the first congress agreed to. Therefore it is more tradition than constitutional authority that the Attorney General is appointed by the president and serves under him. There is nothing that says congress can’t pass a law that copies what every single state in the union does.  Have a independent Attorney General elected by popular vote.

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  20. Marion Evans Inactive
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    Silver lining of a Hillary victory in November: the look on Hannity’s face the evening of the election. Cannot wait!

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  21. Jamie Lockett Member
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    DocJay:

    Jamie Lockett:

    DocJay:

    Jamie Lockett:

    DocJay: A Trump presidency can be survived. La Raza cannot.

    You concede that some of us don’t agree with that particular formulation, right?

    Of course, it’s a pretty common belief here that Trump is the stay puff destroyer of our campfire ghost stories. Why else would 90% of the editors and contributors be covering this judge event like a car intentionally barreling in to an orphanage yet minimizing the consequences of anti-White hate groups institutionalized in government and academia?

    That’s a rather remarkable formulation. Which editors and contributors do you think are “minimizing the consequences of anti-White hate groups institutionalized in government and academia”?

    I’ve read them all the last few days. I’d say Tom Meyer, Richard Elstein, and Claire have the more obvious examples. They have differing opinions about the significances than I do. I could easily find quotes but I’m going to rub someone’s feet for a while.

    I have not read a single piece by one of those authors that does that. So when you have the time I’ll ask you to show your work.

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  22. Jamie Lockett Member
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    James Lileks:

    Our objective is to govern, not to rule.

    I’m not so sure of that any more.

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  23. DocJay Inactive
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    Jamie Lockett:

    DocJay:

    Jamie Lockett:

    DocJay:

    A Trump presidency can be survived. La Raza cannot.

    Of course, it’s a pretty common belief here that Trump is the stay puff destroyer of our campfire ghost stories. Why else would 90% of the editors and contributors be covering this judge event like a car intentionally barreling in to an orphanage yet minimizing the consequences of anti-White hate groups institutionalized in government and academia?

    That’s a rather remarkable formulation. Which editors and contributors do you think are “minimizing the consequences of anti-White hate groups institutionalized in government and academia”?

    I’ve read them all the last few days. I’d say Tom Meyer, Richard Elstein, and Claire have the more obvious examples. They have differing opinions about the significances than I do. I could easily find quotes but I’m going to rub someone’s feet for a while.

    I have not read a single piece by one of those authors that does that. So when you have the time I’ll ask you to show your work.

    Well since we’re not having sex it means I’m not lying to you.  Tom specifically said he was far less worried about La Raza ties that Trumps racist comment.   You can ask him , Claire and Richard.  They are people of honor and while I’m sure they’d phrase things differently they’d prioritize Trumps statement over la Raza in general to be true to intellectual consistency.

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  24. Jamie Lockett Member
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    DocJay:

    Jamie Lockett:

    DocJay:

    Jamie Lockett:

    DocJay:

    A Trump presidency can be survived. La Raza cannot.

    Of course, it’s a pretty common belief here that Trump is the stay puff destroyer of our campfire ghost stories. Why else would 90% of the editors and contributors be covering this judge event like a car intentionally barreling in to an orphanage yet minimizing the consequences of anti-White hate groups institutionalized in government and academia?

    That’s a rather remarkable formulation. Which editors and contributors do you think are “minimizing the consequences of anti-White hate groups institutionalized in government and academia”?

    I’ve read them all the last few days. I’d say Tom Meyer, Richard Elstein, and Claire have the more obvious examples. They have differing opinions about the significances than I do. I could easily find quotes but I’m going to rub someone’s feet for a while.

    I have not read a single piece by one of those authors that does that. So when you have the time I’ll ask you to show your work.

    Well since we’re not having sex it means I’m not lying to you. Tom specifically said he was far less worried about La Raza ties that Trumps racist comment. You can ask him , Claire and Richard. They are people of honor and while I’m sure they’d phrase things differently they’d prioritize Trumps statement over la Raza in general to be true to intellectual consistency.

    Only one of those things has the potential to become President. That Tom weighed the relative harms and decided one was more harmful at this particular moment in history does not mean he or any of the other editors are minimizing the potential harm from odious groups such as La Raza.

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  25. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    James Lileks:

    TKC1101:For one, we can stop shoveling money and jobs to these groups out of the federal treasury. A fair amount of their activity is taxpayer funded.

    We can clean house in the executive branch to remove employees whose main job is the care and feeding of such groups.

    ‘We can then get the DOJ to enforce existing laws on racketeering for the hustle these groups use to shakedown corporations for donations. If it was anyone else, it would be called fraud or bunko.

    I agree. That’ll take the House, Senate, and Presidency. Hope we get the necessary strength.

    The first step – eliminating taxpayer funding – would require a blanket repudiation of any public-private relationship. No block grants to anyone. A hard sell, given the capillary entanglement of government at every level. People acquiesce to funding of a group they don’t like if it means the local library stays open.

    The third plank – bringing RICO charges – would be impossible, since no one had to twist the Obama administration’s arm to get them to divert mortgage-meltdown fines to social justice organizations. Institutionalized legal payoffs seem baked into the Community Reinvestment Act at this point, and the politics of repeal-and-replace are nightmarish. Again, it would take control of all three branches and a clanking set of stones on the part of the leadership.

    We had all three and they did none of this. Congress and Bush continued on their merry way. The GOP was active to sink the most conservative candidate in the primary. Now the conservative class actively looks to sink Trump, thus helping Clinton win. I have been told “wait” now for over a decade. When does the magic happen?

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  26. Herbert Member
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    Could Be Anyone: The only time trump would care for La Raza is if it hurts his wealth or prestige. Otherwise he could care less. If it was true that he actually cared to defeat the inaccurate and racist philosophy and rhetoric of La Raza then he would have been fighting them at least in words for decades. I doubt such a record exists.

    Similar to his stance with the KKK right and the alt right.   They are OK with me until they become a political liability…  Heck Duke is KKK…, who knew…

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  27. DocJay Inactive
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    Jamie Lockett:

    I have not read a single piece by one of those authors that does that. So when you have the time I’ll ask you to show your work.

    Well since we’re not having sex it means I’m not lying to you. Tom specifically said he was far less worried about La Raza ties that Trumps racist comment. You can ask him , Claire and Richard. They are people of honor and while I’m sure they’d phrase things differently they’d prioritize Trumps statement over la Raza in general to be true to intellectual consistency.

    Only one of those things has the potential to become President. That Tom weighed the relative harms and decided one was more harmful at this particular moment in history does not mean he or any of the other editors are minimizing the potential harm from odious groups such as La Raza.

    I disagree.  I know you disagree with me about this issue. I’m going to leave it at that.

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  28. DocJay Inactive
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    Herbert:

    Could Be Anyone: The only time trump would care for La Raza is if it hurts his wealth or prestige. Otherwise he could care less. If it was true that he actually cared to defeat the inaccurate and racist philosophy and rhetoric of La Raza then he would have been fighting them at least in words for decades. I doubt such a record exists.

    Similar to his stance with the KKK right and the alt right. They are OK with me until they become a political liability… Heck Duke is KKK…, who knew…

    Me. I was in medical school in NO at the time he ran for governor and I actively campaigned against him to vote for a known democrat criminal.   David Duke can burn in hell.  Go ahead, edit me, he was the grand wizard of the KKK and if that doesn’t warrant a crispy afterlife I don’t know what does.

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  29. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    DocJay:



    Herbert:

    Could Be Anyone: The only time trump would care for La Raza is if it hurts his wealth or prestige. Otherwise he could care less. If it was true that he actually cared to defeat the inaccurate and racist philosophy and rhetoric of La Raza then he would have been fighting them at least in words for decades. I doubt such a record exists.

    Similar to his stance with the KKK right and the alt right. They are OK with me until they become a political liability… Heck Duke is KKK…, who knew…

    Me. I was in medical school in NO at the time he ran for governor and I actively campaigned against him to vote for a known democrat criminal. David Duke can burn in hell. Go ahead, edit me, he was the grand wizard of the KKK and if that doesn’t warrant a crispy afterlife I don’t know what does.

    I agree.

    I also think assoication with LA Raza is unacceptable.

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    Mike LaRoche:

    DocJay:I’m shocked he couldn’t keep his mouth shut and I’m glad he’s not.

    I am concerned my candidate is not even close to a gentleman on so many levels but I have far greater worries.

    We need to bust some huevos to make an omelet out of this theoretical melting pot of ours. La Raza and all identity groups are the evil which prevent this.

    Yep. Fight fire with fire.

    You wouldn’t like NYC or any large urban area. We have parades for identity groups.

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