If You Must Vote Trump, Please Hold Your Nose

 

Peter has made his decision, as announced on the recent podcast. In his view, a national election is indeed an A-B test, and he’s choosing, well, T. He’s with James Taranto and not Kevin Williamson. He’s not going to slink around apologizing for it anymore.

This isn’t surprising (he’s been reasonably clear about his views for awhile) and it’s not my place to scold him. I do think a respectable case can be made for voting for Trump. But I can’t resist the urge to point out that the way Peter has come out for Trump, to me, confirms exactly my reasons for not supporting Trump, and not believing that this can be as straightforward as the A-B test.

The best case for #NeverTrump has always been, in my mind, the Not My Monster argument. At this point is seems mostly settled that a heinously vicious and dishonest person is going to be America’s next president. Would we prefer, then, that that person be ours, or the other party’s? It’s actually a difficult question.

Our monster will, we hope, be at least a bit more susceptible to conservative influence, and a bit more congenial to our ideals and policy agenda. (That’s not certain, but at least it is possible.) The other party’s monster will be more absolutely hostile, but at least that gives us the advantage of being able to remake our party and agenda without the heavily compromising influence of an awful leader. Also, if Washington is a mess over the next four years (likely), it will be easier to win the next election if the monster in the Oval Office isn’t ours. In troubled times, voters tend to let the parties take turns in the executive office. Is it worse to give the Democrats two turns in a row, or to waste one of our turns on Trump?

Honestly, I vacillate week by week as to which candidate I hope to see win. I’m not voting for either, but I wouldn’t condemn everyone who is. Having said that, Peter’s attitude towards Trump these days is troubling.

It’s one thing to stop slinking, but it’s another entirely to stop frowning. It struck me how Peter repeated, I believe, three times in the podcast (but without much vehemence) that no, Trump is not the next Reagan. I thought: the next Reagan? He’s not the next Mitt Romney. He’s not the next John McCain. He’s not even the next John Boehner. We had seventeen choices and he was the worst. It wasn’t even close, in fact. Peter makes a negative comparison, but by choosing the conservative icon of the last four decades for contrast, he leaves the strong impression, “This outcome isn’t ideal, but basically, things are okay.”

Things are not okay. Trump is not just utterly untrustworthy and an awful person; he is also hostile or indifferent to most of the most critical planks of the conservative agenda. And he is running explicitly as a Caesarist, effectively promising to expand the abuse of executive power. It’s hard to decide whether to be dismayed or pleased by the overwhelming impression of incompetence and ignorance in all matters of state.

I was also struck by the way Peter was optimistic about Trump’s SCOTUS list, reasoning that Trump will be unable to violate his promises without totally alienating his voting base. That’s true, of course, and for most politicians it would be a compelling consideration, even for a politician of bad character. But Trump is not only vicious, he is also a complete outsider with no history of allegiance to either Republicans or conservatives. To put the point bluntly: Does he care? He seems to be the kind of guy who enjoys negative attention as much as positive, and his personal friends surely lean leftward. He might be entertained by the howls of betrayal after he picks the next Ruth Bader Ginsberg.

To be clear, I’m not saying with confidence that this will happen. If we were just nominating the selector of the next Supreme Court justice (or two, or three), then yes, I would prefer Trump to Hillary. He might betray us, but then again, it’s possible he won’t. What troubles me is how Peter talks as though he sees Trump’s betrayal of conservatives — in the one thing we most want from him — as a fairly outside possibility. Everything we know about the man suggests to me that it’s a very live possibility, and certainly one that should be considered if we’re discussing electoral SCOTUS implications.

To my mind, this shows exactly the reasons for rejecting the “A-B test” view of elections. If a vote is really just an expression of preference between A and B, it is perfectly possible to choose one without any appreciable level of support for either one. But once we decide to support a particular candidate, we tend to adjust ourselves psychologically to thinking of him as the sort of candidate that merits our support. It’s very hard to make that transition without compromising ourselves and our agenda, potentially quite severely.

Here is my final example, taken from a comment of Peter’s in the thread following that podcast. Peter is explaining that, however bad he is, he can’t be as bad as Hillary. In that context, he writes:

Hillary may be polished where Trump is vulgar, but that’s purely a matter of taste. 

I thought I was losing the capacity to be amazed, but I admit that I was quite thunderstruck. Trump publicly insults women. He winks at white supremacists. He speaks gleefully about torture and war crimes. He discusses the size of his manhood in nationally televised debates. His remarks on immigration are so offensively nativist that Texas Democrats have successfully shrunk the Republicans in that state simply by playing tapes of Trump on the radio. I could go on but it’s all too familiar by now, and to this, the genteel and civilized Peter Robinson says: a matter of taste?

I appreciate that even this level of offense must sometimes be borne when the options are so exceedingly poor. But even if we have to live with it, we should at least try to resist the normalization, shouldn’t we?

Vote for Trump if you must, but please, not this! At least do us the favor of publicly holding your nose!

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  1. BastiatJunior Member
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    Annefy: One response that I received was that my sons would likely be safer under a HRC presidency. At no time have I mentioned my sons’ “safety” – they didn’t join the Marines to be safe. But if HRC is president, I do believe their chances of dying abandoned somewhere are higher than with a Trump presidency.

    This is the best comment I’ve read in a while.

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    BastiatJunior:

    Annefy: One response that I received was that my sons would likely be safer under a HRC presidency. At no time have I mentioned my sons’ “safety” – they didn’t join the Marines to be safe. But if HRC is president, I do believe their chances of dying abandoned somewhere are higher than with a Trump presidency.

    This is the best comment I’ve read in a while.

    Annefy knows her stuff.

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  3. EThompson Member
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    EThompson:

    Trump publicly insults women. He winks at white supremacists.

    Nonsense; the most abusive men in my lifetime were JFK and Bill Clinton; I thoroughly believe they “suffered” from severe psychological disorders.

    Trump doesn’t wink at supremacists; he does what we all should do and ignores them. This is not the rural south in the 1930s; those people have zero financial or political influence.

    BTW, because I so despise gender-based accusations, I’d like to clarify that Trump insults everybody who deserves it, male or female. One of his most impressive qualities as far as I’m concerned.

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  4. Herbert Member
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    EThompson:

    EThompson:

    Trump publicly insults women. He winks at white supremacists.

    Nonsense; the most abusive men in my lifetime were JFK and Bill Clinton; I thoroughly believe they “suffered” from severe psychological disorders.

    Trump doesn’t wink at supremacists; he does what we all should do and ignores them. This is not the rural south in the 1930s; those people have zero financial or political influence.

    BTW, because I so despise gender-based accusations, I’d like to clarify that Trump insults everybody who deserves it, male or female. One of his most impressive qualities as far as I’m concerned.

    Can you name a single person outside of his immediate current family, that Trump has ever commented on, that he at some time didn’t insult?

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  5. Herbert Member
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    But in his bestselling book, Art of the Deal, published at the conclusion of the Reagan presidency, Trump cited Reagan as an example of someone who could “con people” but couldn’t “deliver the goods.” Trump said Reagan was “so smooth” that he “won over the American people.” But at the conclusion of his presidency, “people are beginning to question whether there is anything beneath that smile,” Trump writes. Here is page 60 from Art of the Deal:

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  6. Herbert Member
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    Herbert:But in his bestselling book, Art of the Deal, published at the conclusion of the Reagan presidency, Trump cited Reagan as an example of someone who could “con people” but couldn’t “deliver the goods.” Trump said Reagan was “so smooth” that he “won over the American people.” But at the conclusion of his presidency, “people are beginning to question whether there is anything beneath that smile,” Trump writes. Here is page 60 from Art of the Deal:

    This on Pat Buchanan  (a big Trump supporter)  note the last sentence, boy is that rich….

    Trump took a parting shot at Buchanan when he declined to seek the presidency in 2000, calling him a neo-Nazi.

    “The Reform Party now includes a Klansman, Mr. Duke, a neo-Nazi, Mr. Buchanan, and a communist, Ms. Fulani,” Trump’s 2000 statement read. “This is not company I wish to keep.”

    Trump wrote in his 2000 campaign book The America We Deserve, “Pat Buchanan has been guilty of many egregious examples of intolerance. He has systematically bashed Blacks, Mexicans, and Gays.”

    Trump, oddly enough, said Buchanan had said too many outrageous things to be president.

    “Simply put, Pat Buchanan has written too many inflammatory, outrageous, and controversial things to ever be elected president,” wrote Trump in his book.    https://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/donald-trump-praises-man-he-once-called-a-neo-nazi?utm_term=.thO8kkawn#.eykbddmPW

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  7. EThompson Member
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    Herbert:

    EThompson:

    EThompson:

    Trump publicly insults women. He winks at white supremacists.

    Nonsense; the most abusive men in my lifetime were JFK and Bill Clinton; I thoroughly believe they “suffered” from severe psychological disorders.

    Trump doesn’t wink at supremacists; he does what we all should do and ignores them. This is not the rural south in the 1930s; those people have zero financial or political influence.

    BTW, because I so despise gender-based accusations, I’d like to clarify that Trump insults everybody who deserves it, male or female. One of his most impressive qualities as far as I’m concerned.

    Can you name a single person outside of his immediate current family, that Trump has ever commented on, that he at some time didn’t insult?

    Besides Icahn and America’s Mayor, you need to give me a week or so to get back to you. :)

    I’m a bad girl; I have to admit I’m LOL at your observation; perhaps because I’m overreacting to the nauseating PC, ‘inclusive’ types.

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