The Fascinating Mr. Trump

 

Donald Trump NYAs skipsul notes in his engrossing post below, Trump has at least this virtue: he fights. In an email that just turned up in my inbox, a friend offers yet another insight:

Trump generates news and interest because he is genuinely funny and interesting.

Trump is the mathematical average of the American voter in terms of policy, even if he has to flip flop or contradict himself. Against Iraq but USA will win. For business, against trade. Pro life but supports PP. Keep Medicare but reduce top rates. Etc.

Our guys have moved rightward in policy over the last 10 years. But we cultivated a bland, neutral group of boring dudes. Is there a genuine wit in the Senate or House?

Look at how Rubio, Cruz used Twitter. Basically a press release tool. Trump is himself. Our guys are so bland it makes the gold plated faux billionaire seem authentic!

Yes, I know I’m really working hard to find reasons for optimism these days, but isn’t this a good one? Put Trump up against Hillary and you’re putting a genuinely fascinating candidate up against a noxious bore.

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  1. BrentB67 Inactive
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    I think the circumstances that made this an opportune time for him to run are interesting. I think the sudden interest in principles among center right is interesting. Trump individually? Not terribly interesting.

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  2. RyanM Inactive
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    Peter, I learned as a kid that fighting isn’t always a virtue…

    It is certainly a temptation to turn vices into virtue, especially because there’s nothing we can do about Trump. But it’s a temptation that we should avoid.

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  3. Arahant Member
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    Salvatore Padula:I’m sure everyone has heard the supposedly ancient Chinese curse, “May you live in interesting times.”

    Created by an American journalist in the 1930’s, but yes, these are interesting times.

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  4. TKC1101 Member
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    dukenaltum:Since most of the conjecture of Trump v. Clinton is based on his loutish performance on a crowded stage of essentially decent men and one woman (except for Christie, Huckabee, Carson and Kasich) and not a Clinton it is a fool’s bet to see him succeeding against her with his current tactics, knowledge base and not lose votes.

    I think he will collapse polemically like Romney and McCain did in their debates against Obama because (like them) at his core he hates and has contempt for Republicans and Conservatives more than hates the Left or wants Presidency and he is not very bright.

    In short, Trump will relent and fold in debating Clinton because he will spend the rest of his life living among the Left.

    Only if he is much stupider than he has been and submits to the pro Democrat debate format used in the past.

    I am expecting a much different playing field or no debates at all.

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  5. BrentB67 Inactive
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    Pseudodionysius:

    Casey:

    Pseudodionysius:I’m surprised at the lack of Cannonball Run references in this thread.

    I’m just ou…ou…out..looking for a pack of cigarettes.

    I think we can just put Caddyshack on loop for explanation of this year’s Republican Primary.

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  6. Pseudodionysius Inactive
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    BrentB67:

    Pseudodionysius:

    Casey:

    Pseudodionysius:I’m surprised at the lack of Cannonball Run references in this thread.

    I’m just ou…ou…out..looking for a pack of cigarettes.

    I think we can just put Caddyshack on loop for explanation of this year’s Republican Primary.

    Trump has been running as Rodney Dangerfield with National Review playing Ted Knight

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    Okay- much better movie and it is anti government as well.

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  8. Pseudodionysius Inactive
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    Pseudodionysius:

    BrentB67:

    Pseudodionysius:

    Casey:

    Pseudodionysius:I’m surprised at the lack of Cannonball Run references in this thread.

    I’m just ou…ou…out..looking for a pack of cigarettes.

    I think we can just put Caddyshack on loop for explanation of this year’s Republican Primary.

    Trump has been running as Rodney Dangerfield with National Review playing Ted Knight

    Rich Lowry simply has too many balls in the air.

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  9. TKC1101 Member
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    Pseudodionysius: Trump has been running as Rodney Dangerfield with National Review playing Ted Knight

    National Review got the role when Jeb! dropped out.

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  10. Zafar Member
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    Trump’s the only candidate who’s consistently looked as if he’s enjoying himself.

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  11. MJBubba Member
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    Donald Trump is awful.

    Vote for awful Trump;

    Stop Corrupt Hillary.

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  12. Pseudodionysius Inactive
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    Jeb is the dentist you get when your regular guy is on holidays. The novocaine candidacy.

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  13. Percival Thatcher
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    I don’t do cults of personality.

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  14. Arahant Member
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    Could we change now to Deathrace 2000? That’s the campaign I want to see.

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  15. Arahant Member
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    Percival:I don’t do cults of personality.

    Not even Arthur’s?

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  16. RyanM Inactive
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    Zafar:Trump’s the only candidate who’s consistently looked as if he’s enjoying himself.

    If this is an argument for a candidate – if Peter’s post is an argument for a candidate – all else as it is, and this is all that we can say in support of the man, then we are truly doomed.

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  17. Arahant Member
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    RyanM: then we are truly doomed.

    C’mon, Bubba, it’s a long way down. Let’s just enjoy the ride. Yeeeehhhaaaaaaaa!

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    Pseudodionysius:

    BrentB67:

    Pseudodionysius:

    Casey:

    Pseudodionysius:I’m surprised at the lack of Cannonball Run references in this thread.

    I’m just ou…ou…out..looking for a pack of cigarettes.

    I think we can just put Caddyshack on loop for explanation of this year’s Republican Primary.

    Trump has been running as Rodney Dangerfield with National Review playing Ted Knight

    Wanna make fourteen dollars the hard way?

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  19. Skarv Inactive
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    What! The man who wrote “Mr. Gorbachev tear down this wall” is supporting a real estate conman.

    Is Peter alone in TPTB in the church of T?

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  20. Pseudodionysius Inactive
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  21. Casey Inactive
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    Really, Peter, it all comes down to this… Do we want to elect Hillary and run ourselves into the ground like a bunch of European socialists or do stand with Trump and run ourselves into the ground like a bunch of frickin’ Americans!

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  22. Valiuth Member
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    Peter, Peter, Peter. Just come out and say your on board with Trump, because his groupies make him sound oh so fun and lively. Just ignore the actual things he says, and does. Who needs actual knowledge, honesty, or decency when we can have… Entertainment!

    Bah…

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    Peter “tear down this wall” Robinson, rock ribbed conservative, die hard defender of the Reagan legacy and champion of civility and traditional values, a man so opposed to the coarsening of the culture he founded a community that will not countenance name calling or swearing or vulgarity … is falling in line behind Trump.

    What a fraud and perfect example of everything that has become of the conservative movement and the Republican Party.

    I’ll say this for Peter, all of his many friends that are invested in the survival of the GOP for their own benefit rather than the country’s have a true and loyal ally.

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  24. Arahant Member
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    Casey:Really, Peter, it all comes down to this… Do we want to elect Hillary and run ourselves into the ground like a bunch of European socialists or do stand with Trump and run ourselves into the ground like a bunch of frickin’ Americans!

    Right! Let’s do this the American way! High-speed thrills! Car chases! World leaders in food fights! And lots of explosions!

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  25. Arahant Member
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    BThompson: What a fraud

    If you are referring to Peter Robinson in this way, I seriously object. Peter is a good and honest man. You may disagree with the direction his thoughts seem to be traveling, but that does not make him a fraud or in anyway dishonest. He is showing his thought processes as he sees things and tries to square the circle of the situation we are all in.

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  26. RyanM Inactive
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    Peter Robinson: Yes, I know I’m really working hard to find reasons for optimism these days, but isn’t this a good one? Put Trump up against Hillary and you’re putting a genuinely fascinating candidate up against a noxious bore.

    Also, the answer to this question is “Absolutely not.”  Optimism is not always a good thing.  GK Chesterton made this point, long ago.  There is no value in optimism when a reason for optimism is not present.  That is not a virtue.

    You should think to yourself that if entertainment is your cause for optimism, then you should not be optimistic.  With a candidate like Trump, there is no cause for optimism, Peter, unless you are hoping that we can send a clear message by having enough of us vote 3rd party, and that we can sober up – that conservative intellectuals will learn a lesson about how to better spread the actual message, that we will more strongly focus on education, and that we will cease to be complacent when folks who are nominally on our side patently reveal that they are not on our side for the right reasons.  If you are optimistic about conservatism, then I stand behind you.  If you are optimistic about the clown because at least he’s entertaining… that is something I cannot get on board with.

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  27. RyanM Inactive
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    Arahant:

    BThompson: What a fraud

    If you are referring to Peter Robinson in this way, I seriously object. Peter is a good and honest man. You may disagree with the direction his thoughts seem to be traveling, but that does not make him a fraud or in anyway dishonest. He is showing his thought processes as he sees things and tries to square the circle of the situation we are all in.

    Agreed.  Unlike Trump, Peter has a solid record that far outweighs any stockholm syndrome he may be exhibiting.  It would be absurd to accuse him – or most of his friends (assuming you’re referring to conservative intellectuals) of fraud.

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  28. Arahant Member
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    RyanM: …and that we can sober up – that conservative intellectuals will learn a lesson about how to better spread the actual message…

    Maybe this is exactly the problem. Our side has been too stodgy. Was Reagan stodgy? Or did he have fun and use humor? Which has worked in the past? Which has generally worked for the other side?

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    RyanM: Also, the answer to this question is “Absolutely not.” Optimism is not always a good thing. GK Chesterton made this point, long ago. There is no value in optimism when a reason for optimism is not present. That is not a virtue.

    I really need to do my post on the demon Hope.

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    BThompson:Peter “tear down this wall” Robinson, rock ribbed conservative, die hard defender of the Reagan legacy and champion of civility and traditional values, a man so opposed to the coarsening of the culture he founded a community that will not countenance name calling or swearing or vulgarity … is falling in line behind Trump.

    What a fraud and perfect example of everything that has become of the conservative movement and the Republican Party.

    I’ll say this for Peter, all of his many friends that are invested in the survival of the GOP for their own benefit rather than the countries have a true and loyal ally.

    Supporting Trump now is more a matter of placing concern for the future of America above concern for the future of the GOP.

    The GOP Establishment guys rigged the rules to favor the candidate with the most money.   They were paving the way for Jeb.   But Jeb was a bad choice (as was repeatedly pointed out here at Ricochet).

    And they never figured out how celebrity is a proxy for money in a situation where the chief use of the money is to purchase media time.  Thus, Trump wins on the basis of his celebrity, and we are all stuck with Trump as our nominee.

    However reprehensible Trump is, supporting Trump is now the only way to:

    …Stop Corrupt Hillary.

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