Bret Stephens on Bernie

 

BERNIE-SANDERS-YOUTHRecording the podcast this morning, we asked Bret Stephens what explains the ecstatic support Bernie Sanders is eliciting among the young. I found Bret’s answer so striking — so insightful, and so disheartening — that I made notes. To wit:

I’m now hiring young college graduates who have no living memory of the Cold War. None. Now, they’re smart, and they know what the Soviet Union was. But that’s all they know.

After our victory in the Cold War, we as a country never took the trouble to educate young Americans about what communism and socialism were — not the way we educated Americans about Nazism after World War II. There was never instruction at high schools and colleges explaining why socialism always ends up being autocratic and giving you the kind of economy we’re now seeing in Venezuela.

That’s a large part of the Bernie Sanders story. Twenty-three and 24-year-olds hear the word “socialism” and think it’s cute. It’s not cute. It’s a horror on the same order as fascism, but they don’t know that.

One generation — we’re always just one generation away from losing all we value.

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  1. Don Tillman Member
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    Lucy Pevensie: The question was why we can’t appeal to black people right now.

    Trump does.  Polls show that Trump appeals to black people more than any other GOP candidate in recent history.

    But, it should be *easy* for the GOP to appeal to black people.  Just cite the dying cities of America where 50 years of Democrat rule have produced multigenerational poverty, huge levels of crime, especially homicide, unemployment, and general decay and evacuation.  (Detroit, St. Louis, Baltimore, Flint, Philadelphia, etc.)

    And the GOP has certainly run black candidates of accomplishment.

    And the GOP could easily point out that the historic fact that the first 21 black congressional representatives and the first 3 black senators were Republicans.

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  2. Don Tillman Member
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    Susan Quinn: The left will always believe that this country could make Communism or socialism work–we could do it better than anyone else, which is the usual elitist view of progressivism. So if terrible things resulted from all the places that now have Communism or socialism, they just didn’t quite get it right. Sigh.

    Again, a beautiful setup for a perfectly targeted response.

    “Exceptional claims require exceptional proof.”

    “And even if such a socialist system could theoretically work, and that’s a wild supposition, you also need to prove how you can get from the current state to that exact point, without missing.  And without a lot of damage in the process.  And once you’re there, how you can keep the balance so it doesn’t drift off and cause a lot of damage.  None of that is going to happen because there are no corrective mechanisms in Socialism.”

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  3. Umbra Fractus Inactive
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    Lily Bart: Also, I think modern socialists have given up the idea of government actually owning means of production as impractical. So much better to let the private sector own the businesses, but government rules and regulations control the businesses and the tax code confiscates most of the profits. Its less messy, and for bonus points, they can blame businesses when it all goes awry.

    That’s fascism. And I don’t mean that pejoratively; that is Benito Mussolini’s actual economic plan.

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    Mona Charen:

    William Fehringer:So what books would best go into an anti-socialist curriculum? Is there a book of sufficient academic rigor that would help me explain to my pro-Swedish socialist friends how it always ends in failure?

    I would recommend The Black Book of Communism — a detailed tally of the history of communist regimes worldwide with body counts, tortures, man-made famines, the lot. Also, for a short history of how badly wrong our own dear liberals were about the Cold War, I humbly mention my own book, Useful Idiots.

    We still need a Truth and Reconciliation Commission re: the Red Menace.

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  5. Spin Inactive
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    Tuck:

    Spin: Caring about the poor. … That is not socialism to her.

    Classic NewSpeak: You’re not a socialist? Don’t you care about the poor?

    Only socialists care about the poor, therefore we must all become socialists.

    I had a conversation with someone the other day in which I said “Don’t start with the why don’t you cares and the why do you hates with me!  I reject your premise!”  Or something like that.

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    Freesmith:I guess that everyone on this thread who is explaining and defining socialism and communism has forgotten that neither Chris Matthews nor Debbie Wasserman Test nor Hillary Clinton was able to distinguish “socialism” from Democratic Party progressive liberalism.

    Which is because there is no difference. Socialism has evolved.

    Socialism and liberalism are understood today as exactly the same 2 things in the US and in Europe:

    “A nice agenda for nice people.”

    “Anti-racist.”

    That may be true in terms of how your average young person understands socialism.  But the implementation of socialism will be, when the incrementalism catches up, exactly what it has always been.

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  7. barbara lydick Inactive
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    Don Tillman: Oh, that’s a beautiful setup! It beckons the perfect response:

    Great response!

    I purposely didn’t try to go further that day.  Rather, I wanted to gain her confidence so that when we talked again – after she had read some of the things I suggested – we could have a better conversation. Your additions will also be used then.  Thank you.

    Some of the things I suggested were Thomas Sowell’s Basic Economics, Folsom’s The Myth of the Robber Barons, anything by P J O’Rourke for a few laughs. and also attached the full version of I, Pencil.

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