Wisconsin Open Thread

 

Via CNN, as of 7:50 PM PT — with approximately 60 percent of the vote counted — Senator Ted Cruz leads Donald Trump by 50.7 to 32.8 percent.

Ted Cruz won the Wisconsin Republican primary Tuesday, according to a CNN projection, boosting his effort to blunt Donald Trump and moving the party closer to a historic contested convention.  Bernie Sanders, meanwhile, won the Democratic primary, CNN projects, inflicting a tough loss on front-runner Hillary Clinton and racking up his sixth win of the past seven state contests.

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  1. Karen Humiston Inactive
    Karen Humiston
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    Scott R:Someone tweeted earlier tonight: Mormons and Wisconsinites are the designated drivers for the nation.

    Perfect. Great, great job, Badgers.

    As a Mormon from Wisconsin, this makes me very proud.

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  2. KiminWI Member
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    Kozak:

    Mike LaRoche:The RINOcalypse proceeds apace. There is simply no GOPe path to victory at this point.

    They better not try and jam anyone else in at the convention. The OVERWHELMING majority of voters want Cruz or Trump.

    Pragmatic conservatives and libertarians and conservatarians have held their noses and voted for Dole, McCain, Romney, etc. It’s time for establishment types to hold their noses and vote for Cruz.

    Never Hillary- Never Trump- NEVER tyranny.

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  3. KiminWI Member
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    Cruz apparently did better in more densely populated parts of Wisconsin. Trump support came from the most rural parts.12961574_10206369777779602_523811654637493415_n

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  4. Lucy Pevensie Inactive
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    @LucyPevensie

    KiminWI:Cruz apparently did better in more densely populated parts of Wisconsin. Trump support came from the most rural parts.12961574_10206369777779602_523811654637493415_n

    Obviously some of this has to do with the general stereotypes about Trump voters, but some of this may simply be an information deficit. As we have been told on many occasions, in primaries ground game matters. It’s a lot harder to get volunteers out to knock on a lot of doors in places with low population density.

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  5. KiminWI Member
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    @KiminWI

    Lucy Pevensie: Obviously some of this has to do with the general stereotypes about Trump voters, but some of this may simply be an information deficit.

    I’m certain this is true.  I have to work really hard to get news from Madison and Milwaukee. We are in the Twin Cities market. That big yellow spot can hear Charlie Sykes and Mark Belling without having to seek  it out. So Trump’s media profile would have been a lot higher in rural areas.

    I’m not sure what happened in Pierce County, the gray spot on the west. It’s a pretty sparse except for  UWRF at the northwest corner. St. Croix County, just north of it has been pretty important to Republicans the last few years and is one of the fastest growing counties in the state.

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  6. DrewInWisconsin Member
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    KiminWI:Cruz apparently did better in more densely populated parts of Wisconsin. Trump support came from the most rural parts.12961574_10206369777779602_523811654637493415_n

    Hmmm. Cruz did well in the German Catholic half of the state. Interesting.

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  7. KiminWI Member
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    @KiminWI

    DrewInWisconsin: Hmmm. Cruz did well in the German Catholic half of the state.

    And a Norwegian Lutheran strip on the west bleeding over from MN?

    ?

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  8. GLDIII Reagan
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    @GLDIII

    Is this not a bit of avengment for Walker?  I recall his parting comments at the closing of his campaign referred to the reasonable messages from serious candidates being drowned out by the reality TV star. His clown show was sucking the oxygen out the real issue discussions with the base by an attention deficit addled media looking for the ratings.

    I say Walker returned the favor to the “deal maker” who fails to do his homework on those pesky details that make a difference on the ground.

    Cruz earned this win for being able to moving on his feet. I mean seriously did anyone think that Cruz would win a staid blue state like Wisconsin even a month ago?

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  9. DrewInWisconsin Member
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    KiminWI:

    DrewInWisconsin: Hmmm. Cruz did well in the German Catholic half of the state.

    And a Norwegian Lutheran strip on the west bleeding over from MN?

    ?

    Twin Cities bedroom communities. That doesn’t surprise me.

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  10. Joseph Stanko Coolidge
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    @JosephStanko

    The Question:

    Daniel Adam Murphy: I continue to think—even though I concede my position is contradicted by many examples in history—that if the nomination is denied to the candidate with the most delegates, presumably Trump, the sight of awarding the nomination to the 2nd, 3rd, or even 4th place finisher will just feel so wrong that an effort will be made to find an outside candidate who can unite as much of the party as possible.

    If it was awarded to the 3rd or 4th place finisher, then I would agree. I think it’s different if it’s the second place finisher.

    I think the best case for Cruz is if he goes into the convention:

    1. A fairly close 2nd to Trump
    2. With the momentum, having won all the important late contests (especially California)
    3. Consistently ahead of Trump in the polls

    Then he can make a strong argument that while Trump won the early contests when the field was divided, once the race narrowed down to 2 (technically 3 but Kasich doesn’t really count) he clearly bested Trump mano-a-mano.

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  11. KiminWI Member
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    DrewInWisconsin: Twin Cities bedroom communities.

    Youbetchya

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  12. Leigh Inactive
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    DrewInWisconsin:

    Leigh:Oh, and this is very, very, very good news…

    Walker’s Supreme Court appointee, Rebecca Bradley, won. In defiance of some really horrendous exit polling. That’s a very big deal — it means the Wisconsin Supreme Court has a 5-2 conservative majority.

    Oops. Should have read farther. Yes, yes, yes, this is the really big news from yesterday.

    The Wisconsin conservative movement has gotten something right somehow. It’s not just Walker, or Charlie Sykes. There’s more behind this all, and someone who wants to make a difference elsewhere (let’s say Virginia) should be studying this.

    It’s amazing how well conservatives can do in this state when Democrats can no longer use John Doe laws to silence them, eh?

    I’ve just been stuck for a while on how well Wisconsin conservatives have it together in comparison to the lot we’ve got here in Virginia. If Virginia had it together half so well three important close races in the last three years would have gone differently. It’s just inexcusable.

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  13. Leigh Inactive
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    @Leigh

    KiminWI: I’m certain this is true. I have to work really hard to get news from Madison and Milwaukee. We are in the Twin Cities market. That big yellow spot can hear Charlie Sykes and Mark Belling without having to seek it out.

    I literally found WI talk radio by accident trying to get traffic reports. I don’t usually listen to talk radio, especially in my car — that’s my time to listen to classical music and spend time with my own thoughts. And yet somehow, these people got me interested in the minutiae of the state budget, the train wreck that is the Milwaukee County board, and so on…

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  14. Leigh Inactive
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    @Leigh

    GLDIII:Is this not a bit of avengment for Walker? I recall his parting comments at the closing of his campaign referred to the reasonable messages from serious candidates being drowned out by the reality TV star. His clown show was sucking the oxygen out the real issue discussions with the base by an attention deficit addled media looking for the ratings.

    I say Walker returned the favor to the “deal maker” who fails to do his homework on those pesky details that make a difference on the ground.

    Cruz earned this win for being able to moving on his feet. I mean seriously did anyone think that Cruz would win a staid blue state like Wisconsin even a month ago?

    I’d say this proved to be Walker’s revenge in a big way… and if Cruz can adapt elsewhere as well as he did in WI, it’s a good sign.

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  15. Kozak Member
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    Miffed White Male: Assumes facts not in evidence. The overwhelming majority of voters never got a chance to vote for anyone else, because they were all out by the 3rd or 4th state voting.

    Beautiful circular logic.

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  16. Miffed White Male Member
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    Kozak:

    Miffed White Male: Assumes facts not in evidence. The overwhelming majority of voters never got a chance to vote for anyone else, because they were all out by the 3rd or 4th state voting.

    Beautiful circular logic.

    Not really.  The statement to which I was responding was:

    They better not try and jam anyone else in at the convention. The OVERWHELMING majority of voters want Cruz or Trump.

    I don’t accept the premise.  Are you telling me that if we had a one-day 50-state Republican primary with all 17(?) original Republican candidates, that the “overwhelming” majority of the votes would have gone to Cruz or Trump?

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  17. Acook Coolidge
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    I love talk radio and am always game to listen to new local hosts that are not nationally syndicated, using I Heart Radio. So somebody tell me where to find Sykes and Belling and anybody else that’s good out of Wisconsin.

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  18. Miffed White Male Member
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    @MiffedWhiteMale

    Acook:I love talk radio and am always game to listen to new local hosts that are not nationally syndicated, using I Heart Radio. So somebody tell me where to find Sykes and Belling and anybody else that’s good out of Wisconsin.

    You can pull complete podcasts of Mark Bellings show from Itunes or his website (belling.com), for 24 hours after each show.

    His style on the local show is a little more …energetic than it is when he co-hosts for Rush.

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  19. Leigh Inactive
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    @Leigh

    Acook:I love talk radio and am always game to listen to new local hosts that are not nationally syndicated, using I Heart Radio. So somebody tell me where to find Sykes and Belling and anybody else that’s good out of Wisconsin.

    Sykes is at http://www.wtmj.com/charlie-sykes and at rightwisconsin.com. I think you can get Jay Weber through I Heart Radio too — he’s the same station locally as Belling, as I recall.

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  20. Miffed White Male Member
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    @MiffedWhiteMale

    Leigh:

    Acook:I love talk radio and am always game to listen to new local hosts that are not nationally syndicated, using I Heart Radio. So somebody tell me where to find Sykes and Belling and anybody else that’s good out of Wisconsin.

    Sykes is at http://www.wtmj.com/charlie-sykes and at rightwisconsin.com. I think you can get Jay Weber through I Heart Radio too — he’s the same station locally as Belling, as I recall.

    Weber has the morning show on WISN, Belling has the 3PM-6PM slot.  Vicki McKenna has the mid-day slot.  I believe they’re all on I heart.

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  21. Kozak Member
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    Miffed White Male:

    I don’t accept the premise. Are you telling me that if we had a one-day 50-state Republican primary with all 17(?) original Republican candidates, that the “overwhelming” majority of the votes would have gone to Cruz or Trump?

    Nice. Now you set up a nice big straw man.

    By the way when all those other people were in the race, which 2 candidates consistently ran 1 through 3 in getting votes?

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  22. Kozak Member
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    @Kozak

    Miffed White Male: Sykes is at http://www.wtmj.com/charlie-sykes and at rightwisconsin.com.

    His show is podcast on iTunes again.

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